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Finn Jones talks about his training regimen for Iron Fistquote:"I start my day with about two and a half hours of martial arts," Jones continued, "which is kung fu and wushu mixed with a bit of tai chi, and other stuff as well. In the afternoon I’ll do weight training with a trainer to bulk me up and get my physically right for the part. And in evenings I’ve been doing meditation classes and learning buddhist philosophies."
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That's the first time I've seen a training regimen crazier than Spartacus's.
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Apr 13, 2016 17:48
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I see a definitive lack of open palm slapping vhs tapes
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Apr 13, 2016 17:49
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Zzulu posted:im upset that they put Frank on a rooftop with a vantage point over the ninja army and then I was hoping that rooftop scene would have gone like the elevator scene in the Lundgren punisher. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDIJXmpZrT0
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Apr 13, 2016 18:05
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site posted:I see a definitive lack of open palm slapping vhs tapes They gotta leave something for Defenders!
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Apr 13, 2016 18:21
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Half of A Tribe Called Quest is doing the score for Luke Cage
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Apr 14, 2016 22:46
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Douglas Petrie and Marco Ramirez will be the Defenders showrunners with Drew Goddard as Executive Producer. http://marvel.com/news/tv/26037/netflix_original_series_marvels_the_defenders_finds_its_showrunners
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Apr 15, 2016 15:23
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Finally got around to bingeing this season. gently caress me I love everything about Frank and the Punisher. Get me that series ASAP. He stole every scene he was in, I felt like I was watching on the off chance Frank would show up and demolish some fools. "Who are they?" -Karen "Some guys who are about to walk into a diner for the last time" - Frank loving Castle Elektra was great but the ninja plot wasn't entirely together for me. I really didn't care for seeing Kingpin again. Is Matt going to go broke next season now that no one is doing his day job for him?
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Apr 16, 2016 04:02
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Relentlessboredomm posted:I really didn't care for seeing Kingpin again. So, you didn't like Kingpin being Kingpin?
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Apr 16, 2016 04:06
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Blazing Ownager posted:These hyper "NO KILL NO MATTER WHAT EVER" characters end up going off the deep end in the other extreme and even MORE people die because of it, though interestingly on the show itself, it seems to be aware it's not a perfect philosophy and doesn't try to parrot JUST Matt's POV. As far as I'm aware most comic stories nowadays (and for quite a while) point out to it not being a perfect philosophy and are centered on the problems that arise from it. Still I find it pretty exhausting because it's been parroted so many times. It's fine when you're reading The Dark Knight Returns for the first time and you see Batman freaking out at his realization that Joker's blood is on his hands, but at some point it gets so repetitive and you have to ask yourself what is the point, even. Is it to be politically correct? Not really, because almost all of these stories (including this one) end up with the character realizing someone has to die at some point and turn their backs to it, which ultimately is really not a PC message. Is it to show off the internal struggle and emotional conflict of the character trying to be good? Sure, that was interesting the first 15 times, but at some point it just gets completely ridiculous - there's a scene in Injustice where the Earth is being invaded in a scene exactly like this one by an army of aliens and millions of people are about to die and I think Superman comes and kills them all with his laser beam. Batman's reaction is going "Noooooooooooo! How could you do this?!". At which point the whole thing sounds like a parody.
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Elentor posted:As far as I'm aware most comic stories nowadays (and for quite a while) point out to it not being a perfect philosophy and are centered on the problems that arise from it. I feel like you just summed why the backlash against Man of Steel was so funny.
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Apr 16, 2016 20:55
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Batman knows he's completely hosed up, and doesn't kill people because if he starts he's going to get to a point where he just kills everyone. Daredevil's not really the same though.
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Apr 16, 2016 21:03
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Finally got around to bingeing this season. gently caress me I love everything about Frank and the Punisher. Get me that series ASAP. He stole every scene he was in, I felt like I was watching on the off chance Frank would show up and demolish some fools. I hated the actor in Walking Dead S1 and S2, but he managed to completely turn my opinion around in Daredevil.
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Apr 16, 2016 21:29
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enraged_camel posted:I hated the actor in Walking Dead S1 and S2, but he managed to completely turn my opinion around in Daredevil. To be fair, Shane was an unrepentant rear end in a top hat. But that's the character. I honestly didn't make the connection until you mentioned it, and it kinda blew my mind.
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Apr 16, 2016 21:44
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Elentor posted:As far as I'm aware most comic stories nowadays (and for quite a while) point out to it not being a perfect philosophy and are centered on the problems that arise from it. Killing people isn't very nice imo
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Apr 16, 2016 22:08
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[punisher]depends on the people you kill[/punisher]
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Apr 16, 2016 22:16
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enraged_camel posted:I hated the actor in Walking Dead S1 and S2, but he managed to completely turn my opinion around in Daredevil. I saw Fury after Walking Dead, and that's why I was 100% on board with it. He nailed it in Fury. Elentor posted:At which point the whole thing sounds like a parody. Yep. DC's hard-on for no killing is hilarious. I loving hated Kingdom Come (great art, though, which is why I had it) because it was all a giant anti-Marvel straw man to support their own stupid POV. Why it's doubly hilarious when Batman flips cars into other cars like he's playing Just Cause 2 and just blowing motherfuckers up. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Apr 16, 2016 23:22
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Blazing Ownager posted:Yep. DC's hard-on for no killing is hilarious. I loving hated Kingdom Come (great art, though, which is why I had it) because it was all a giant anti-Marvel straw man to support their own stupid POV. Didn't Mark Waid write that?
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Apr 16, 2016 23:31
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Blazing Ownager posted:Yep. DC's hard-on for no killing is hilarious. I loving hated Kingdom Come (great art, though, which is why I had it) because it was all a giant anti-Marvel straw man to support their own stupid POV. What? Kingdom Come was a reaction to the general 90s grim n gritty trend. Magog may share some similarities to Cable, but there were many dudes running around with cyborg parts, glowing eyes, guns, and a willingness to kill. (Cyberforce, Youngblood, Azbats, Cyborg Superman, Wetworks, hook hand Aquaman, Punisher 2099, half the cast of Savage Dragon) Retrowave Joe fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Apr 16, 2016 23:48
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Killing certain people actually solves a lot of problems, scientists discover
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Apr 16, 2016 23:58
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Retardog posted:What? Kingdom Come was a reaction to the general 90s grim n gritty trend. Magog may share some similarities to Cable, but there were many dudes running around with cyborg parts, glowing eyes, guns, and a willingness to kill. See, I get that. But it was all a way to go "See if someone kills the Joker finally, this is all that remains!" It was just as stupid AS the grim and gritty in the reverse.
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Apr 17, 2016 00:25
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I'm not sure what's stupid about it.
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Apr 17, 2016 00:48
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Blazing Ownager posted:I loving hated Kingdom Come (great art, though, which is why I had it) because it was all a giant anti-Marvel straw man to support their own stupid POV. Can you elaborate on this some? Because I absolutely love Kingdom Come and think it's an absolute benchmark for the medium. I think it's one of the best comics ever written (or illustrated) and I didn't interpret it all the way you seem you seem to be implying. Then again, I'm not sure what you're implying at all so when you have a sec, please clarify your meaning. Seeing how this is the Daredevil thread, maybe we should move it to the more general BSS or CD comic threads that deal with the topic if it gets deeper but for now, just please clarify what you meant. cargohills posted:I'm not sure what's stupid about it. Me neither. I think it's a gorgeous piece of work. Wonderfully told and expertly illustrated. It's one of the best comics I've ever read and I'm having a hard time adapting a cynical viewpoint on it. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Apr 17, 2016 01:10
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Nobody had to create a straw man for Marvel in the 90s, Marvel in the 90s was what trash throws in the garbage.
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cargohills posted:Killing people isn't very nice imo I agree, hence why I said in the end they're never very politically correct because they end up either killing people or being a-ok with it. I thought The Dark Knight (the movie) did a decent job on the whole no killing since in the end Batman proved he was right, but when Daredevil went "ok so yeah, maybe you can kill this one time" I was like "really? All the nagging for this? That's disappointing." Even the Punisher was confused.
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Aphrodite posted:Nobody had to create a straw man for Marvel in the 90s, Marvel in the 90s was what trash throws in the garbage. Pretty much this. Generation X was about the only 90's title than didn't make me dry-heave.
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lomzus posted:Douglas Petrie and Marco Ramirez will be the Defenders showrunners with Drew Goddard as Executive Producer. This is a shame. They really weren't very good a balancing the characters in Daredevil so I can't imagine The Defenders being much better.
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I liked the part where one of the kids of the Punishe's victims was in court yelling at him for killing his dad. I think we could have used more of that, just a court room full of families of the victims. Because even criminals are not just "bad people all the time," they have loved ones and friends and family, and Frank is actively harming all of those people as well. I think that's a better way of showing why "killing is probably not the best option" rather than just have Matt argue a whole bunch against it. Hell, show a daughter who's never going to have her dad read her a bedtime story again because the Punisher loving murdered him.
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Is Karen driving Wesley's car in the first episode of Season 2? When she was escaping the hospital, at first I thought she might've hot wired the car. But she had the keys in her purse. When Grotto asked if it was her car, she responds that its a friend's car and that the friend is dead. There's a lot of conversations with Karen regarding the ethical debate on what Punisher is doing and you can certainly read a lot into what she's saying in relation to how she killed Wesley. One thing I'm annoyed by in re-watching the first two S2 episodes is that a lot of fights take place off screen. The initial fight in episode 1 (disarming the guy threatening the cop and the guy who held the girl hostage) is off screen. Punisher with the porn peddler is off screen as is the Dogs of Hell (with just a reference) and Punisher vs Cartel. Even against the Irish mob Punisher doesn't actually appear, though I understand thematically why he doesn't appear in that specific scene. The only real fight that occurs on screen is Matt vs Punisher. notthegoatseguy fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Apr 18, 2016 |
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Apr 18, 2016 14:49
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It's Ben's car I think.
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Apr 18, 2016 14:52
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Aphrodite posted:It's Ben's car I think. That makes a lot more sense since it looks a bit too much of a beater for it to be Wesley's. Good point.
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In addition to the criminals having families and loved ones: It's odd how they don't really want to push the actual tenets Matt's Catholicism as the reason for his reluctance to kill. Not in the sense that there is a commandment against it, but Matt should genuinely believe that nobody is beyond redemption. He should be looking at ways to turn the super villains and street toughs into allies, even the Kingpin. Instead he growls and tortures repeat offenders and just starts kinda covering his ears whenever E or Big Pun eviscerates some poor brainwashed kid.
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Mover posted:In addition to the criminals having families and loved ones: Doesn't he give a whole speech to the Punisher about how criminals have families and poo poo?
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Apr 18, 2016 15:18
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And also how killing them stops any chance at redemption. The problem is that within the Daredevil world, the Punisher is right. Criminals just keep breaking laws and killing people even after being put away and as Turk has shown, he'll "just be back out on the street" immediately anyway. They really need to show some criminals that end up being reformed since as it is killing these guys really is the "best" way to keep innocent people safe. If Matt really wanted to help people he would have been a social service worker instead of a lawyer that met up with the guys he beat up and delivered to the police, and helped them integrate back healthily into society.
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[punisher]I'm not here to make people reform. They chose to cross the line and in my world there's no going back. I'm here to punish them. They can seek redemption with their god[/punisher] *kills 1000 ninjas*
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Apr 18, 2016 18:59
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Ninjas aren't people.
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Radish posted:And also how killing them stops any chance at redemption. The problem is that within the Daredevil world, the Punisher is right. Criminals just keep breaking laws and killing people even after being put away and as Turk has shown, he'll "just be back out on the street" immediately anyway. They really need to show some criminals that end up being reformed since as it is killing these guys really is the "best" way to keep innocent people safe. Daredevil like Batman thinks he can solve the world's problems by beating up random street level criminals.
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In Batman TAS there's one episode where Robin is getting pissed at Batman and starts questioning his methods after seeing him beat up a criminal in front of his kids. He eventually finds out that unbeknownst to him afterwards as Bruce Wayne, Batman got that same guy a job at Waynecorp and was helping him turn his life around. In super hero stuff it's hard to show that kind of thing where the regular criminals are actual people and not just monsters so it was nice that they did something to show that in a cartoon about beating up bad guys and saving the city from nukes or other things. It's why TAS is really the only incarnation of Batman I like since Bruce feels like an actual human with compassion. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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Apr 19, 2016 13:34
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When Karen was snooping around Frank's house, didn't they visually make a big deal about a motion sensor that she triggered? Didn't a van full of people show up? Did I miss what that was all about?
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cjg posted:When Karen was snooping around Frank's house, didn't they visually make a big deal about a motion sensor that she triggered? Didn't a van full of people show up? Did I miss what that was all about? They did indeed. Then she got away off screen and it was never brought up again. The only thing it seemed to do was show that apparently some government agency was watching his house. Nothing comes of it and they could be working for the DA, the Blacksmith, the DOD, or someone else perhaps in the SHIELD echelon.
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