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Moey posted:What kinda money printing we talking with a CISSP? In the Baltimore/DC area you can probably pull in $130-180k, depending on experience. Throw in a CCIE and it could push north of 200 (although you'd be a fool not to demand equity or stock options), but again these are typically management or senior technical level positions so it's not like you're going to walk out of helpdesk and into fat stacks with one.
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An interview I just went on just seemed kinda bummed I wasn't intimately familiar with ITIL. Guess I need to learn about it enough to say I'm familiar. What's the study material?
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SaltLick posted:An interview I just went on just seemed kinda bummed I wasn't intimately familiar with ITIL. Guess I need to learn about it enough to say I'm familiar. What's the study material? I think ITIL Foundation is the entry level cert, great for getting into organizations where independent thought and productivity are not qualities they look for in employees. Scheduled my JNCIS-ENT exam for early June, might as well use the momentum I have from my previous cert.
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ITIL is probably a really good idea for people at smaller companies that are transitioning into medium sized companies. My last job was at a casino that essentially started out as a bingo hall. The IT department was people who were sorta good with computers and learned as they went. When I left they were sort of in that middle area where they really needed to get organized and leave behind the old ways that worked for a 5 person department.
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Apr 13, 2016 07:15
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psydude posted:I've been talking strategy with our DC CCIE because the RS is just way too loving broad. They're about to refresh DC to 2.0, but it still looks like it covers a very narrow focus while still hitting on core R&S concepts. Despite being a security guy, I think pursuing the DC track would actually be a good chance for me to learn something. Back when I did my R&S CCIE lab just after the Security CCIE came out I was about halfway through the lab when one of the Security candidates went up to the proctor yelling and pitching a fit for like 5 minutes before storming off. Apparently he was surprised BGP was on his lab. R&S is the more "generic" CCIE; if I see a R&S resume come in for anything involving networking it's a huge plus, whereas if I see a DC (or Security or Wireless or...) CCIE come in for a position outside of that speciality I'm going to be a lot more skeptical and looking for proof you have experience in the environment I'm hiring for. I usually see DC CCIE as a double CCIE in conjunction with R&S. R&S also has a lot more materials out there for prep. And it's probably easier to build a lab for without hardware; good luck finding good simulated DC switches. Even Cisco VIRL's virtual Nexus can't do VPC among other limitations. If you see yourself working primarily in datacenters the DC CCIE is fine, or if you already have a big chunk of the skillset being tested. It's just a less broadly-applicable certification compared to R&S.
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All of this ITIL talk is making me think. How long does the foundation cert last before you have to recertify or upgrade? I really dont want to study that poo poo again but I took it like a year and half ago now and would hate to let it lapse.
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Apr 13, 2016 13:55
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BaseballPCHiker posted:All of this ITIL talk is making me think. How long does the foundation cert last before you have to recertify or upgrade? I really dont want to study that poo poo again but I took it like a year and half ago now and would hate to let it lapse.
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Apr 13, 2016 14:45
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BaseballPCHiker posted:All of this ITIL talk is making me think. How long does the foundation cert last before you have to recertify or upgrade? I really dont want to study that poo poo again but I took it like a year and half ago now and would hate to let it lapse. ITIL doesn't lapse afaik.
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Apr 13, 2016 14:45
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How fast should I be looking at getting a CCIE cert from getting into IT? I started a bit less than a year ago with just an A+, have Net+ and about to take Sec+.
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Apr 13, 2016 14:52
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Kashuno posted:How fast should I be looking at getting a CCIE cert from getting into IT? I started a bit less than a year ago with just an A+, have Net+ and about to take Sec+. I'd give up on IT entirely if you dont have a CCIE by the end of the year. Seriously it sounds like you're just getting started. Is networking what you want to do in IT? I think to often people just think CCIE=$$$ and chase it blindly without even realizing what it entails.
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Apr 13, 2016 15:03
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BaseballPCHiker posted:I'd give up on IT entirely if you dont have a CCIE by the end of the year. Security. I know the CISSP is a big part of that, But is CCIE Security worth it as well?
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Apr 13, 2016 15:19
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Kashuno posted:How fast should I be looking at getting a CCIE cert from getting into IT? I started a bit less than a year ago with just an A+, have Net+ and about to take Sec+. 6 years? Depends how fast you want to move, how much time you have to study, and what kind of jobs you get. Get the CCNA R&S. See how long it takes. It's a considerably harder cert than N+ and will give you an idea of the track you're heading down. Going from CompTIA to CCIE is like saying "Yeah I played baseball on my high school team, how long will it take to sit on an MLB roster?"
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Kashuno posted:How fast should I be looking at getting a CCIE cert from getting into IT? I started a bit less than a year ago with just an A+, have Net+ and about to take Sec+. I have heard people refer to the CCIE as being like a doctorate in networking and while that could be a bit hyperbolic, the implication that it typically will take several years of experience to do it right rings true. For most tracks of Cisco certification there are associate (CCNA), professional (CCNP) and expert levels. Master the associate and professional level content first to get a good foundation to approach the expert certification.
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Apr 13, 2016 15:48
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Kashuno posted:How fast should I be looking at getting a CCIE cert from getting into IT? I started a bit less than a year ago with just an A+, have Net+ and about to take Sec+.
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I mean I'm aware that there is a long path involving CCNA, CCNP, CISSP, and CCIE stuff along with a smattering of other certs along the way, but I was just curious if there was a general time frame most people have
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Apr 13, 2016 15:51
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Are the Eric Conrad CISSP books still sufficient to pass with the recent domain refresh? I'm planning on using both them and Cybrary after my WGU degree wraps up this month and I have time again.
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Apr 13, 2016 16:57
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Ozu posted:Are the Eric Conrad CISSP books still sufficient to pass with the recent domain refresh? I'm using a combination of the Conrad book and the official study guide. It looks like the new test is less stupid than the last one in terms of question structure.
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Kashuno posted:I mean I'm aware that there is a long path involving CCNA, CCNP, CISSP, and CCIE stuff along with a smattering of other certs along the way, but I was just curious if there was a general time frame most people have Well, every path is of course different but from knowing basically nothing about networking I needed about 4 months of being a networking lab intern and some off-hours study (mainly just reading the Cisco Press and Sybex guides) to pass the CCNA with two tries. Would have been one except they still asked about Frame Relay on the version I took and I never worked with it, so I missed a lot of the details. About a year later, most of which was spent on unrelated coursework, I went back for a second term as an intern and at the end of that with about a year's total work experience and having read the Cisco Press guides I passed the CCNP. It took a couple tries each on the Route/Switch tests and one try for TShoot, which I thought was easiest by far of the three. Several months after I got the CCNP, graduated, and started permanent employment I tried the CCIE R&S written without any preparation and didn't really get anywhere close to passing. The material was of a similar nature to what's on the CCNP, but went into much more niche details and had at least a few questions that were somewhat subjective IMO. That was like 4 years ago and I've since considered the CCIE SP instead due to a change in job focus and finally settled down to work on the CCIE DC due to another change in job focus. The shifting target and taking on work responsibilities in the interim certainly didn't help, but now that I've settled on the DC I'm still struggling with studying for the written because there's not really a good feedback mechanism on how much you know except taking the test again. With the CCIE R&S at least you have an official guide for the written exam to use as a reference, but with DC and SP you just get a reading list and a topic list. I'm actually hopeful that the lab will be more straightforward to study for once I can pass the written, since even if there's serious time pressure to get things finished it seems more structured and there are a lot of materials out there for lab study. Most of the written materials seem to be either "read a whole book about FC and hope you remember the specific details we ask about" or something that breaks the NDA/other rules. Part of what's behind the recommendation to have years of experience is that it's just not likely that you will recall all the information you need unless you have worked with it and put it to tangible use for some time. This is doubly true in the lab exam and it's also part of my problem with the DC since I don't have much experience with the SAN technologies. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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Apr 13, 2016 18:09
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gently caress, who cares about the CCIE, just go straight to CCAr
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MF_James posted:gently caress, who cares about the CCIE, just go straight to CCAr I  what?do you even know what a CCAr is?
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MF_James posted:gently caress, who cares about the CCIE, just go straight to CCAr CCAr actually has CCDE as a prerequisite!  Race Realists posted:I 
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Eletriarnation posted:CCAr actually has CCDE as a prerequisite! Someone got it at least, internets are hard.
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I can see where ITIL knowledge could come in handy at an analyst or managerial level, but companies are asking for it for level 1 tech support positions.
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Jesus this official ISC2 study guide never ends.
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Eletriarnation posted:Well, every path is of course different but from knowing basically nothing about networking I needed about 4 months of being a networking lab intern and some off-hours study (mainly just reading the Cisco Press and Sybex guides) to pass the CCNA with two tries. Would have been one except they still asked about Frame Relay on the version I took and I never worked with it, so I missed a lot of the details. I did the DC lab exam and yeah studying for it meant a lot of reading of product documentation. The written itself was kind of horrible, not so much in difficulty but in just outright memorization of stupid details like how many of what DIMMs fit in a particular C series model. Of course then the next question might be about how fabricpath behaves given a set of specific conditions. All in all the CCIE DC written is a pretty disjointed exam. I did the DC because it touched on everything I was living with day to day. UCS, FCP, iSCSI, and even FabricPath were all things I had to deal with on a day to day basis. I was actually fortunate enough to train on UCS back when it was still called "California" and I spent 18 months at a customer site that was UCS/Nexus and MDS. I can tell you now that those years of experience help tremendously (gently caress you Cisco for making an oversubscribed fibre channel switch) because the lab exam itself is like 10-12 hours worth of work with a lot of exercises that are dependent on previous exercises. You'll have nice big tasks that are worth say 6-8 points but then you might have a task worth 2 points (you need 80 to pass) and if you gently caress it up then you won't be able to make 4 more tasks down the road worth 2 points each work. If you're gunning for the lab I'd say the IPExpert workbooks are probably better overall than INEs (for the DC at least) but you'll end up renting racks from INE to fill in the gaps.
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1000101 posted:If you're gunning for the lab I'd say the IPExpert workbooks are probably better overall than INEs (for the DC at least) but you'll end up renting racks from INE to fill in the gaps. That's good to know, I'll definitely look into it. Were there any materials in particular that you found valuable when studying for the written test, or was that mostly gleaned from real world experience?
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Apr 14, 2016 18:26
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What's the latest and greatest on studying for that entry level ITIL cert?
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psydude posted:Jesus this official ISC2 study guide never ends. It's a page turner, for sure. I'm having a real hard time making my eyes focus on the material. I just asked work to pay for a bootcamp and I'm taking one in October. Hopefully I can get up to speed by then so the bootcamp is just a refresher before the test.
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:What's the latest and greatest on studying for that entry level ITIL cert? This is what I used and see recommended most commonly: http://www.amazon.com/ITIL-Foundation-Exam-Study-Guide/dp/1119942756/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1453384937&sr=8-1&keywords=ITIL+foundation Its boring and basic and does the job.
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My CCNA certification is going to expire in a year. This is a bit of an annoying problem. Right now in my career CCNP certification would not be that helpful so I'd rather do this later. What's my best option here? Should I just get CCNP route done or is there maybe an easier way to recertify? How hard is ROUTE exactly? I'm cringing a bit because I really don't want to work on something harder than the CCNA was at this point in time. I'm just hoping ROUTE won't be as hard/take as long the CCNA did was because CCNP is cut up into three different parts. I guess I need to just suck it up and get working on ROUTE, really hoping this one will be easier than the CCNA was. That's my big worry I'm getting set up for a test that will be harder then CCNA. I prefer to want to do certifications not have to.
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DropsySufferer posted:My CCNA certification is going to expire in a year. This is a bit of an annoying problem. Right now in my career CCNP certification would not be that helpful so I'd rather do this later. What's my best option here? Should I just get CCNP route done or is there maybe an easier way to recertify? How hard is ROUTE exactly? I'm cringing a bit because I really don't want to work on something harder than the CCNA was at this point in time. I'm just hoping ROUTE won't be as hard/take as long the CCNA did was because CCNP is cut up into three different parts. What about doing the CCNA security or one of the others?
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DropsySufferer posted:My CCNA certification is going to expire in a year. This is a bit of an annoying problem. Right now in my career CCNP certification would not be that helpful so I'd rather do this later. What's my best option here? Should I just get CCNP route done or is there maybe an easier way to recertify? How hard is ROUTE exactly? I'm cringing a bit because I really don't want to work on something harder than the CCNA was at this point in time. I'm just hoping ROUTE won't be as hard/take as long the CCNA did was because CCNP is cut up into three different parts. I'm failing to see at what point in someone's career a CCNP wouldn't be useful, unless you've gotten out of networking all together.
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Eletriarnation posted:That's good to know, I'll definitely look into it. Were there any materials in particular that you found valuable when studying for the written test, or was that mostly gleaned from real world experience? Taking this tomorrow to renew my certification. Will come back with a trip report if my notes are worth a poo poo!
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BaseballPCHiker posted:This is what I used and see recommended most commonly: Just like ITIL itself! Except for the doing the job part.
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DropsySufferer posted:My CCNA certification is going to expire in a year. This is a bit of an annoying problem. Right now in my career CCNP certification would not be that helpful so I'd rather do this later. What's my best option here? Should I just get CCNP route done or is there maybe an easier way to recertify? How hard is ROUTE exactly? I'm cringing a bit because I really don't want to work on something harder than the CCNA was at this point in time. I'm just hoping ROUTE won't be as hard/take as long the CCNA did was because CCNP is cut up into three different parts. You could just re-take CCNA if you don't want to progress, but that seems kind of meh. I'm in the same boat. I've moved out of the nitty-gritty networking world and into more policy/governance so my Cisco stuff isn't really all that relevant anymore, but I don't want to waste all the time and effort I put into it so I'm just going to keep piecing together my CCNP even though my heart isn't really in it anymore. I have until next March to decide so I'm not terribly worried, but ehhh.
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DropsySufferer posted:My CCNA certification is going to expire in a year. This is a bit of an annoying problem. Right now in my career CCNP certification would not be that helpful so I'd rather do this later. What's my best option here? Should I just get CCNP route done or is there maybe an easier way to recertify? How hard is ROUTE exactly? I'm cringing a bit because I really don't want to work on something harder than the CCNA was at this point in time. I'm just hoping ROUTE won't be as hard/take as long the CCNA did was because CCNP is cut up into three different parts. If you don't care about CCNP at all you can retake the CCNA exam but TSHOOT was the easiest in my opinion. You need to be comfortable with OSPF, EIGRP, and BGP and the CCNP's switching topics enough to troubleshoot so it does have some material that the CCNA doesn't cover, but it's a lot more concrete than ROUTE and SWITCH. I felt like some of the questions in the other two were more abstract and/or subjective in nature than the largely simulator-based TSHOOT and found that more difficult. If you're a lot stronger in the routing topics than the switching ones though, you could also look at ROUTE first. I didn't think any of the three was a huge step up in difficulty from the NA, it's just a lot more material in all three together.
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psydude posted:Jesus this official ISC2 study guide never ends. CISSP Study Guide, This is the only book you need. Read this cover to cover. Combine it with practical knowledge (you should have some experience to apply concepts regarding configuration management, access controls, etc) and you will be golden. Passed CISSP in February with no problems. e: I linked the wrong one. Look for 3rd edition. OhDearGodNo fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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The Conrad 3rd edition is out. That's the one I'm using though.
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Yeah, I picked it up. My plan is to finish the ISC2 book and then use the Conrad book.
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Eletriarnation posted:If you don't care about CCNP at all you can retake the CCNA exam but TSHOOT was the easiest in my opinion. You need to be comfortable with OSPF, EIGRP, and BGP and the CCNP's switching topics enough to troubleshoot so it does have some material that the CCNA doesn't cover, but it's a lot more concrete than ROUTE and SWITCH. I felt like some of the questions in the other two were more abstract and/or subjective in nature than the largely simulator-based TSHOOT and found that more difficult. I'm just being lazy and had to get some complaining out of my system. I do think the fact the certifications expire can be a motivating factor in moving forward. There's no way I'd just recertify that would be a waste of time. CCNA security could be an interesting alternative though I don't work with that area myself right now so probably not for me. The hardest part about these certifications is getting started and I'm working on get myself psyched up. My plan is to do ROUTE because I always liked learning about routing and it was pretty easy for me to understand, more so than switching. Is there any rough ETA on how long these exams might take to study for? I've read about maybe 3 months for ROUTE which would then also renew all Cisco Certifications and remove a little a bit of pressure.
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