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Helsing posted:To me the interesting part of this discussion is how every public policy discussion in Canada is eventually reduced to two competing claims about whose rights are being violated the most. Almost any controversial discussion very quickly devolves into a debate about whether the right to x trumps the right to y. Please don't use the t-word in the CanPol thread. It triggers me.
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Helsing posted:To me the interesting part of this discussion is how every public policy discussion in Canada is eventually reduced to two competing claims about whose rights are being violated the most. Almost any controversial discussion very quickly devolves into a debate about whether the right to x trumps the right to y. I'm not sure what's interesting about this, as it seems self-evident. For there to even be a discussion in the first place there needs to be a party that benefits and a party that is harmed or feel that they are harmed. Because there are distinct groups with beliefs as extreme as a) thinking that they should be able to do basically anything they want b) thinking that they have a right to not be offended you quickly arrive at 'two competing claims about whose rights are being violated the most'.
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Apr 16, 2016 21:39
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Franks Happy Place posted:Second hand weed smoke is literally not the same as second hand tobacco hope this helps Are you trying to imply that inhaling second hand weed smoke doesn't have any negative health effects?
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Apr 16, 2016 21:40
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JVNO posted:Are you trying to imply that inhaling second hand weed smoke doesn't have any negative health effects? That's exactly what the canpol weed mentat is saying
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Apr 16, 2016 21:44
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http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/marijuana-leadership-bernier-leitch-ambrose-1.3527691quote:
Lmao no guys smoking cigarettes is bad but somehow smoking weed cures lung cancer and
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Apr 16, 2016 21:49
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Franks Happy Place posted:Second hand weed smoke is literally not the same as second hand tobacco hope this helps Insofar as that it somehow manages to smell even worse, I agree.
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Apr 16, 2016 22:00
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JVNO posted:Are you trying to imply that inhaling second hand weed smoke doesn't have any negative health effects? Depends on the quantity. I mean, you eat mercury every time you have a loving tuna sandwich, doesn't mean a thing until you quantify the amount. The argument against weed smoke in multifamily buildings generally doesn't come down to actual inhalation of any smoke, it's about the icky weed smell. Which is fine, except I don't like the smell of Indian food or Lush body products or any number of things and you don't see me petitioning to ban the sale of coriander and bath bombs. Turns out, when you live in a city, you smell other people's business. If you don't like it, move to a shack in Manitoba.
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Apr 16, 2016 22:03
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David Corbett posted:Insofar as that it somehow manages to smell even worse, I agree. It's my main objection, because when one person in a block smokes that poo poo, everyone knows. Its like some sort of skunk mating call. Make a weed that doesn't loving stink and then I can go into why dudebro weedculture assholes need to be executed instead 
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Apr 16, 2016 22:06
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Moinkmaster posted:Make a weed that doesn't loving stink and then I can go into why dudebro weedculture assholes need to be executed instead Weed usually smells worst when it is bad, aka hasn't been purged correctly. It's even worse for the person inhaling pesticides, I assure you. So, in the sense that I am actively working to ensure all weed sold in Canada has been analytically tested in a certified independent lab: yes, I am trying to make weed smell better.
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Apr 16, 2016 22:08
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I just received my first package of medical marijuana shatter and I'm using a pen vape for it. I plan on getting another for weed proper. Considering how cheap good ones are now there really isn't a reason to be smoking anything anymore.
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Apr 16, 2016 22:10
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Stretch Marx posted:I just received my first package of medical marijuana shatter and I'm using a pen vape for it. I plan on getting another for weed proper. Considering how cheap good ones are now there really isn't a reason to be smoking anything anymore. Hi let me tell you about the batch of shatter that was going around Vancouver where the maker was proudly telling people he used Lemon Pledge as the solvent because people liked the lemony terpenes taste it left behind (presumably because it also wasn't purged correctly). Seriously if you are buying shatter, be sure you know what you're getting. I only consume shatter from extractors whose techniques I know first hand, because 
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Franks Happy Place posted:
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Apr 16, 2016 22:14
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Franks Happy Place posted:Depends on the quantity. I mean, you eat mercury every time you have a loving tuna sandwich, doesn't mean a thing until you quantify the amount. I'm also not about to imply that second hand smoke of any kind, marijuana or otherwise, is a non-issue that people are just hand-wringing about. Vaporized? Sure, the particulate matter is virtually harmless from a medical perspective. But all smoke from burning plant based products contains tar, including Marijuana. Perhaps even moreso than tobacco according to some sources. PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Apr 16, 2016 22:15
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Andrew MacDougall, noted Conservative shill, had a realllll interesting editorial in the Citizen today. He starts with his normal  socialism bit, but then he says that given the radical anti-establishment movement that is shaking up western politics, the conservative government might want to look into radical policy moves of its own. The intended goal is to "slim the state and make us more mobile and competitive". Pretty standard stuff so far for a conservative editorial.Except these are the suggestions: quote:What would a Conservative leap look like? Well if, like me, you accept that globalization isn’t a fad and that a mobile workforce supported by a nimble state is a must, the cocktail napkin version of a “mobility” manifesto could look something like the following. http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/macdougall-tories-learn-from-the-mulcair-example
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Apr 16, 2016 22:17
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JVNO posted:Look, I smoke weed but I don't begrudge folks who hate the smell wafting through their apartment halls- and I think that's a meaningfully different complaint than whining about Indian food or coriander. Would you say the same if your building smelled of cat piss from a crystal meth smoker? I don't object to buildings banning smoking of any kind, really, especially of they allow vaping instead. I go outside when I feel like burning one because I too am a human being with a nose who doesn't want to live in an ashtray either. What I object to are hysterical goony goons who apparently have the olfactory capabilities of pure blood basset hounds, who talk about the notion that one microscopic speck of smoke could drift up three floors and infiltrate their sweaty lungs like they're being sent to Chernobyl in a g-string. It's a loving apartment building, get over yourself. Be glad the guy in 308 isn't dismembering corpses in his bathtub.
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Apr 16, 2016 22:21
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JVNO posted:Look, I smoke weed but I don't begrudge folks who hate the smell wafting through their apartment halls- and I think that's a meaningfully different complaint than whining about Indian food. One's a drug consumed for pleasure, the other is food (which literally everyone eats). Would you say the same if your building smelled of cat piss from a crystal meth smoker? Terrible food or garbage smells are as bad or worse than weed.
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Apr 16, 2016 22:22
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The only unpleasant thing about smelling other people's Indian food is that you don't get to have any.
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Apr 16, 2016 22:37
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The upside is that nobody flicks still-burning lentils onto your balcony from above. Smoking weed is a subset of smoking and all the usual politeness rules apply.
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Apr 16, 2016 22:39
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Are you actually comparing the smell of Indian food to second hand smoke.....
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blah_blah posted:I'm not sure what's interesting about this, as it seems self-evident. For there to even be a discussion in the first place there needs to be a party that benefits and a party that is harmed or feel that they are harmed. Because there are distinct groups with beliefs as extreme as It takes it for granted that the best way to think about public policy is to create a collection of legal abstractions called "human rights" and then to have adversarial debates between competing parties to determine whose abstraction should win out. One byproduct of this is that it seems to shift the focus of social movements away from mobilization on the streets or in parliament and toward the court system.
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flakeloaf posted:The upside is that nobody flicks still-burning lentils onto your balcony from above. No because weed smoke is healthy for you unlike tobacco
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Helsing posted:To me the interesting part of this discussion is how every public policy discussion in Canada is eventually reduced to two competing claims about whose rights are being violated the most. Almost any controversial discussion very quickly devolves into a debate about whether the right to x trumps the right to y. Hello I have devised a scheme to solve every social policy problem in the country. Step 1. Assign property rights. Step 2. Coase theorem. Step 3. There is no step 3 all the problems are solved.
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THC posted:Conservatives are mad because the prime minister gave a non-answer to a question, at a staged media event, and the press went along with it It was actually a pretty clever answer given the context of the question. edit: too clever by half, actually. Probably didn't even mean it that way.
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Apr 16, 2016 22:51
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Kafka Esq. posted:It was actually a pretty clever answer given the context of the question. The context of the question is Justin Trudeau told the reporters "please ask me about quantum computing".
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Apr 16, 2016 22:52
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Pinterest Mom posted:The context of the question is Justin Trudeau told the reporters "please ask me about quantum computing". Well, if he actually meant to say that the ISIL mission is in a quantum state that is not just on or off, then it was pretty clever.
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Apr 16, 2016 22:55
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THC posted:Conservatives are mad because the prime minister gave a non-answer to a question, at a staged media event, and the press went along with it They're really upset that the whole 'Justin is an airhead drama teacher' just got blown up in their faces. It's pretty hilarious, totally made my weekend and I'm not even a Liberal voter. Reince Penis fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Cultural Imperial posted:That's exactly what the canpol weed mentat is saying can 'weed mentat' be a thing now it is by weed alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the cannibis oil that thoughts acquire speed, the shirts acquire cheeto stains the stains become a warning it is by weed alone I set my mind in motion
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Also Andrew Coyne called the Canadian media North Korean on Twitter this morning too so either the word came down from 'on high' or someone's a plagarist.
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Apr 16, 2016 23:01
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Kafka Esq. posted:It was actually a pretty clever answer given the context of the question. It was either really clever, or not clever at all. Also weed smells amazing what is wrong with you all?
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Apr 16, 2016 23:07
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It smells bad and potheads desperate attempts to cover it up smell even worse.
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Apr 16, 2016 23:13
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I think it smells like skunk farts but it should totally be legal because there's no good reason for it to be illegal.
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Apr 16, 2016 23:19
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Pretty sure pot just smells like skunk to non-smokers. Maybe slightly less acrid. E:f,b
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Forgive me if it's been cleared up already as this thread can be hard to keep up with at times. Recently the NL government revealed some austerity measures in its 2016 budget and now my Facebook feed is flooded with posts about how it's the end of days and everyone's children won't have an education and will end up on the streets. Can anyone with even a lick of economics education clarify what exactly the NL budget will mean for citizens of the province and perhaps confirm/deny if it is actually That Bad? Or at least point me to a decent breakdown?
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Mak0rz posted:Forgive me if it's been cleared up already as this thread can be hard to keep up with at times. Recently the NL government revealed some austerity measures in its 2016 budget and now my Facebook feed is flooded with posts about how it's the end of days and everyone's children won't have an education and will end up on the streets. It is bad and features regressive tax increases. On the other hand if the province had saved money ahead of time from their glut of oil wealth then they might have been able to mitigate this. Essentially Newfoundland is experiencing a sudden reversion from being Alberta East to being just another depressed Maritime economy, and people are mad about it.
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It's pretty loving bad, and it's only going to accelerate the emigration of youth and working age folks which will exacerbate the problem further down the road. But, as a Newfoundland, Vyelkin's absolutely right. I have precisely 0 pity for any petro-province/state that sells its non-renewable resources for pennies on the dollar then blows the wealth on loving tax breaks. Even less sympathy for the rigpigs with giant jacked up trucks and $300k McMansions in rural buttfuck nowhere.
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mik posted:It was either really clever, or not clever at all. Weed smells disgusting and vomit inducing, it should still be legal though.
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Smokers can smoke elsewhere; I can't move my house elsewhere. Therefore smokers get to smoke somewhere else.
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:They're really upset that the whole 'Justin is an airhead drama teacher' just got blown up in their faces. It's pretty hilarious, totally made my weekend and I'm not even a Liberal voter. Pretty much. They don't get to criticize Liberal-Media relations until they apologize for Pierre Pollievre. Also Linda Frum.
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