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One of our business units is going down the route of getting apprentices (interns) to do actual tasks. gently caress that noise, it's such a scummy practise. It would be slightly different if there was some sort of development plan for these people, but if you see it as cheap labour then gently caress you.
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Sprechensiesexy posted:The circuit of our branch office in Myanmar is more stable than the one for one of our Australian branches. It's truly a 3rd world country in some respects. Great steak though. I did network monitoring (snmp) for awhile at a Australian Telco/MSP...the amount of hits Id see every day all over the place that restored by power was amazing. That and surprise telstra planned work from 2-5am were the big two.
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Apr 15, 2016 22:37
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Thanks Ants posted:It would be slightly different if there was some sort of development plan for these people, but if you see it as cheap labour then gently caress you. Our interns actually tend to get really interesting work (with little business value). Usually, our senior devs wish they could do the intern projects.
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Apr 15, 2016 23:48
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Thanks Ants posted:It would be slightly different if there was some sort of development plan for these people, but if you see it as cheap labour then gently caress you. An apprentice is more of an engineering/trade thing. You make some money (minimum wage or bottom of union ladder) and you get the poo poo work, but you learn how to build houses or plumb them or wire them or something over multiple years (exact length determined by the industry and usually by certs or professional gains you can make) An intern is an unpaid person, usually a student in a relevant field, that's doing a position for 3 to 6 months (although, I have heard of 1-year versions with some pay). What kind of development plan can you really do in a year or less? The few places I've worked that had interns, they were musical chaired through the company so fast that I don't think they actually learned anything.
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Apr 16, 2016 00:06
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fishmech posted:Class 10 is the old SD card standard where class = x1 megabyte per second Seems like they can get rid of all of that if they are going to post the max read and min write. That's all that anyone should care about these days and its not like people are clinging onto those old scales.
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Apr 16, 2016 01:04
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Shaocaholica posted:Seems like they can get rid of all of that if they are going to post the max read and min write. That's all that anyone should care about these days and its not like people are clinging onto those old scales. Well that's the thing, these cards usually just say the UHS-I or UHS-II and a U number these days. Been a real long time since the x read speeds were common, and the standard Class numbers are being slowly phased out. But cards targeted for certain markets are still going to use all the labels or more.
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Apr 16, 2016 01:10
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Friday's over, lets drink.
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Apr 16, 2016 01:15
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Our place is starting to use a temp agency over direct hire. Makes it fun when I get five tickets in to set them up and then the next day before they start HR lady says never mind. Glad I wasted all that time setting them up. Then if they do get hired most of them quit after a week or two and don't return their ID badge. More money down the drain. Those cards aren't free.
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Apr 16, 2016 05:32
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Holyshoot posted:Our place is starting to use a temp agency over direct hire. Makes it fun when I get five tickets in to set them up and then the next day before they start HR lady says never mind. Glad I wasted all that time setting them up. Then if they do get hired most of them quit after a week or two and don't return their ID badge. More money down the drain. Those cards aren't free. Set up some generic role accounts instead. There's probably going to be some degree of staff rollover anyway if its going through a bunch of temps. Can you bill them for the cards?
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Apr 16, 2016 05:56
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Learned a fun thing about Aruba licensing today. An AP will use a license the instant it touches the controller and will hold onto it. An access switch however will only use a license when something is plugged into it and in use. So it's possible to add a switch and the have it stop working because an AP came online later. Be nice if the person sitting on the emails with our missing licenses would actually send them us before someone tries to use these.
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Apr 16, 2016 05:56
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I could probably fill a podcast with these stories... and they are as tragic as they are funny. It's really a shame how it all went down because I really dug the company, even though I've learned all the reasons I really liked working there didn't make it the most stable. A lot of really smart people there who were just limited on what they could do because of the way the leadership ran the company. Which story first? Q&A with new leadership? Our first call with the director of support? Or my interview to keep my job?
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Apr 16, 2016 16:34
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Q&A with the new leadership! 
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Apr 16, 2016 16:37
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It's the poo poo that pisses you off thread, 
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Apr 16, 2016 17:31
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Arsten posted:An apprentice is more of an engineering/trade thing. You make some money (minimum wage or bottom of union ladder) and you get the poo poo work, but you learn how to build houses or plumb them or wire them or something over multiple years (exact length determined by the industry and usually by certs or professional gains you can make) Then your company sucks and I believe is breaking the law. Interns are not free labor. hey are there to learn about the industry and develop their skills in a way that the class room is not going to give them. Using them as free labor and nothing more if robbery.
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Apr 16, 2016 17:38
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Ahhh well... to start this off I should say that our executives tried to paint this in a very positive light. "This is GREAT for all of us!" the CSO said. Things were bad and if you didn't know it then you just weren't paying attention. Lots of closed door meetings and blocked off executive calendars. Finally, the announcement came that we were being acquired and we would meet our new masters^H^H^H^H^H^H^H leaders in a company meeting. We had offices in APAC an Europe so folks were up pretty late to be able to attend an afternoon meeting. They showed up 47 minutes late. Everybody sitting in the big conference room stirring for 47 minutes waiting to find out the news. Finally, in walks our CEO and CSO, both looking chipper and happy. Following them is a group of 5 people from the new company. A show of force you could say. After a brief introduction by our CEO, the new CEO walks up to the podium and takes the mic and walks away from it. He's wearing blue jeans, a button down, and a sports jacket. After a brief introduction of himself and the team, he begins going into detail about this company and what they do. They claim to be a software company, but I think they are just a financial company masquerading as one. He spoke of some of their achievements, all of which I later found was acquired technology. Something about Disney, tracking crowds, and dispatching the mascots. Something about airlines, sitting on the tarmac, and sending bottles of champagne to first class. You see a trend here? The CSO, the one who said that this was great for us, now has a mixed expression on his face. The CEO was pacing in front of us as he took questions, many of which were about benefits, their industry experience, and other softball questions. I was seated in the far back of the room in the middle of the U shaped conference table. I'm a pretty big guy, 6'3 on a good day and 240 at the time. I was wearing ratty jeans, sneakers, and a Slayer shirt. Any time he looked straight forward, we would lock eyes and he would see the grimace on my face, then he would quickly look away. Finally, I raised my hand and when called upon said, "What is your retention rate for employees in acquired companies?". He gave a non-answer, something about retaining as many employees as possible. The response I expected. When I asked about highly regulated industries and their experience, one of them cheerfully said "Oh we're quite aware of the importance of your industry", as he described a health monitoring appliance. He continued, "If this product has a bug... babies die!". This man, when asked about accidental unblinding in experimentation, said "Oh don't you worry, nobody here's gettin' blinded!". He also bragged how great being a 1099 is because you can put more than the yearly maximum into your 401k, which is over $18k. This is what we were dealing with. Ultimately it became clear after some additional research into the company what their playbook entailed: 3 month contracts on 1099's. 10% of staff were kept in past acquisitions from what I found out, and those who were kept on were making less money once they calculated out of pocket expenses. Their business model was to acquire sinking software companies, brain rape, liquidate assets, retain those 10%, then dump them when they had bled them dry. You were required to keep software on your computer that would take a screenshot every 10 minutes and a webcam picture. If you weren't at your desk, or not looking like you were working, or having a malfunction, your pay was docked and you'd have to take it up with the outsourced team that managed it. All of this I learned just by Googling them and researching their past acquisitions. The CEO had a flight 2.5 hours after the meeting started, so he quickly was whisked away so he could return to his lair. The CSO now had a very grim look on his face, and with his head hung low he left the room. 90 days from the meeting until the acquisition was official, which was later dubbed D-Day. I put a very subtle countdown clock on our big TV that showed company statistics. The end was near. Spazz fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Apr 16, 2016 17:43
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jim truds posted:Then your company sucks and I believe is breaking the law. Interns are not free labor. hey are there to learn about the industry and develop their skills in a way that the class room is not going to give them. Using them as free labor and nothing more if robbery. This depends but for the most part you're correct. If interns are doing anything that makes money for the company, you have to pay them for the work. Unpaid internships are reserved for interns that are on non-business projects (shadowing, creating internal reports, organizing data, etc). Unfortunately because us capitalism if interns try to report their company for intern abuse they'll forfeit their good reference and will likely lose the case anyway because companies will protect themselves in court by arguing the work was more beneficial to the intern than it was to the company. The only way to get anywhere is class action with numerous interns and they won't all be willing to give up job prospects for minimum wage backpay. MSP I worked for paid a fair wage ($12 an hour in far Chicago suburbs) to interns and one ended up staying for two years through college because it was far better treatment than he could get anywhere else.
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Apr 16, 2016 18:07
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jim truds posted:Then your company sucks and I believe is breaking the law. Interns are not free labor. hey are there to learn about the industry and develop their skills in a way that the class room is not going to give them. Using them as free labor and nothing more if robbery. I never said anything about what an intern does, just that they are attached for a very short period of time. An intern is there to learn. You cannot learn by standing in a corner and staring at what's going on. You work with the people that are in your field. The distinction I make for interns is supervision. Are you strictly supervised in what you do and your work is being reviewed close to 1:1? Intern. Are you doing things autonomously? Employee. I do it that way because everything a company has an intern do makes the company money. Are they shadowing sales people? Making money. Running internal reports? Unless those reports are useless and make work, it's making the company money.
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Apr 16, 2016 19:51
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I do not like the ProCurve CLI. There doesn't seem to be a way to select a range of interfaces and then assign a VLAN to them, you have to assign ports to VLANs. This might just be my reaction to something that isn't IOS but it feels less intuitive.
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Apr 17, 2016 00:19
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Spazz posted:You were required to keep software on your computer that would take a screenshot every 10 minutes and a webcam picture. If you weren't at your desk, or not looking like you were working, or having a malfunction, your pay was docked and you'd have to take it up with the outsourced team that managed it. Is this even legal? Note: I'm in the UK so maybe more dumping on your employees is fine in the US.
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Apr 17, 2016 00:40
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America literally wouldn't be America if companies didn't poo poo on their employees at every opportunity. And that's not a sarcastic "literally." 
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Apr 17, 2016 01:05
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xzzy posted:America literally wouldn't be America if companies didn't poo poo on their employees at every opportunity. I remember my first internship. I needed the experience and references to really kick start my career, working first line in a call center. Every week an intern would be called into the bosses office and would come out crying. Finally it was my turn, I went in, and the boss threw away a chipotle bag. He dropped his pants, told me to lay down, and unloaded a steaming hot pile of American capitalism on me. I was grateful for the career opportunity and asked that I not be paid for an extended lunch to get cleaned up. US is the best place to work, I thought, as I updated my LinkedIn profile and hunted indeed.com between fits of vomiting. Then I docked my own pay for not meeting ticket quotas that day.
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Apr 17, 2016 05:27
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legooolas posted:Is this even legal? Yes. The current legal state is that you effectively have no expectation of privacy while working, so spyware in the name of making sure employees are doing their work is legal. This means that your employer can read your email, and intercept any communications performed on work provided machines. Taking your picture constantly sounds super creepy so I cannot imagine anyone who has a choice putting up with it, even if it's legal. Volmarias fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Apr 17, 2016 05:43
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Volmarias posted:Yes. The current legal state is that you effectively have no expectation of privacy while working, so spyware in the name of making sure employees are doing their work is legal. This means that your employer can read your email, and intercept any communications performed on work provided machines. What he said, except that I've heard that it's less to do with an "Expectation of Privacy" and more to do with "You are using their property" combined with "You signed an agreement that said they were going to do this." Most people I've worked with, though, tape a piece of paper or post-it note over the webcam. I personally just delete the webcam drivers from the system (but I have admin access to my work laptop and not everyone does). As far as "Creepy"...at your cube farm desk, I don't think so. If it's a laptop, though, and you work from home or travel, then it gets VERY creepy.
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Apr 17, 2016 06:16
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Volmarias posted:Yes. The current legal state is that you effectively have no expectation of privacy while working, so spyware in the name of making sure employees are doing their work is legal. This means that your employer can read your email, and intercept any communications performed on work provided machines. It is not the monitoring that surprises non US people, it is the legality of docking pay.
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Apr 17, 2016 07:02
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I'd point the camera to a picture of me flipping the bird.
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Apr 17, 2016 07:03
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KennyTheFish posted:It is not the monitoring that surprises non US people, it is the legality of docking pay. No, the webcam thing creeps me out too. Id be jobhunting instantly.
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Apr 17, 2016 11:03
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legooolas posted:Is this even legal? Yes, and to speak to what everybody else said, the company is based out of a state that is not good about employee rights. It's still at-will employment, so as long as you sign the agreement it's legal. If I ended up having to work for them I'd just get blackout curtains for my home office, a space heater, and work naked year round. They tend to hire people globally under the guise of "We don't want to restrict our talent search to the US, we want the BEST people!", which means "We want to pay $10/hr USD to support this application, so we'll hire this guy out of Palestine who knows .NET." I couldn't make that up -- they hired .NET developers to work in support because they heard "Microsoft". This is what we were dealing with. edit: Logs are 250GB uncompressed. I just got them. 
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Apr 17, 2016 14:12
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KennyTheFish posted:It is not the monitoring that surprises non US people, it is the legality of docking pay. Oh. I don't think that's actually legal, but with enough lawyers I'm sure it could be made to be!
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Apr 17, 2016 15:10
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My ISP just changed their password rules for their online accounts site, to the following: 4-character minimum; 10-character maximum; at least one numeric character why a 10 character maximum? why are there password character caps to begin with? why one so unreasonably small? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Apr 17, 2016 20:35
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Luna Was Here posted:My ISP just changed their password rules for their online accounts site, to the following: 4-character minimum; 10-character maximum; at least one numeric character Just think of the space we can save in the database!
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Apr 17, 2016 20:37
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The worst by far is sites that don't give you the rules straight up. Hit submit, "sorry not long enough." Make something longer "sorry, must have a number." Add a number "sorry must have a special character."
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Apr 17, 2016 20:49
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Luna Was Here posted:My ISP just changed their password rules for their online accounts site, to the following: 4-character minimum; 10-character maximum; at least one numeric character I guarantee you that someone decided that users weren't going to remember passwords that were too long.
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Apr 17, 2016 20:51
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xzzy posted:The worst by far is sites that don't give you the rules straight up. Hit submit, "sorry not long enough." Make something longer "sorry, must have a number." Add a number "sorry must have a special character." The worst I've experienced (although it was obviously a bug) was a site where it wouldn't tell you the requirements and also disallowed passwords where n characters were the same as in the previous password including passwords you'd only tried that had not been accepted.
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Apr 17, 2016 20:54
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Luna Was Here posted:My ISP just changed their password rules for their online accounts site, to the following: 4-character minimum; 10-character maximum; at least one numeric character I've worked sites that had an exactly 8 character password requirement. That's the intersection of an 8 character maximum on (iirc) HP-UX and an 8-character minimum on Active Directory. Their corporate masters finally started decommissioning the HP-UX system last year, but your userID will be referred to as a "UnixID" for another 20 years.
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Apr 17, 2016 21:10
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Judge Schnoopy posted:I remember my first internship. I needed the experience and references to really kick start my career, working first line in a call center. Every week an intern would be called into the bosses office and would come out crying. Finally it was my turn, I went in, and the boss threw away a chipotle bag. Premise ridiculous, interns aren't paid.
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Apr 17, 2016 21:13
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I've used websites before where you choose a password - say 16 character for an example. Then when it's stored the first 8 characters are used and the rest are thrown away without any feedback to the user. But the field to enter your password when you come to log back in doesn't do the same thing, so you submit your original password and it doesn't match the shortened version that the company has on file.
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Apr 17, 2016 21:14
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Doesn't something super popular have case-insensitive passwords? WoW maybe?
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Apr 17, 2016 21:18
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stubblyhead posted:Doesn't something super popular have case-insensitive passwords? WoW maybe? Blizzard as a whole, yes. They claim that not only did it massively decrease lost password requests, it also did not increase hacked account numbers.
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Apr 17, 2016 21:25
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RFC2324 posted:Blizzard as a whole, yes. And, given the prevalence of their mobile authentication program, they're probably not wrong.
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Sormus posted:Premise ridiculous, interns aren't paid. Our's are. It's usually light summer work, mostly shadowing and project busy-work (things like gathering requirements), but we do pay them and they also get class credit. We also have Friday night activities like movies or console gaming on the war room wall monitors.
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