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Mr. Nice! posted:Leo, I'm not saying don't use flash ever. I've said before a bunch of times that with big aoe packs it's usually enough to flash to just keep the blind buff up (3 times total) while distributing your enmity combo. Fair. I just don't know at what point it would be considered spam. I rarely flash more than three times per pull anyway, unless they're big, because by then everything's dead. I really enjoy tanking in this game, and the Paladin in particular. I like to think I do a good job in dungeons, but I'm always trying to be better. I haven't done anything high-end yet, mind. I'm still leveling Paladin, but I figure so long as I keep as much threat as possible, it's all good by the end of the pull.
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Apr 17, 2016 14:00
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Main problem with Flash is that it does zero damage. Ideally you want to use Flash just enough so that your enmity combo can be used freely since it actually does damage. Once you get Rage of Halone and Shield Oath, you'll likely have an insurmountable enmity lead that you can't do too much with until you get Goring Blade/Royal Authority. Sword Oath on bosses helps a bit.
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Apr 17, 2016 14:30
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There's really no reason for Flash not to do at least some damage. 
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Apr 17, 2016 15:30
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Mr. Nice! posted:You can clear expert roulette this way as well as some friends and I accidentally found out one night right after 3.2. Hell, due to drops/dcs by tanks and seemingly no one willing to join in progress on Antitower/Amdapor hard I've cleared all bosses and most trash on both with a 2 DRG/SCH party, though admittedly in both cases the other DRG was entirely north of ilvl 230.
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Apr 17, 2016 16:20
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Lemon-Lime posted:There's really no reason for Flash not to do at least some damage. At this point I just think it's because it's a carryover from XI where it did 0 damage. But XI is stupid so they really should just add 100 potency to it or something, who cares if turns into a copy of Unleash. Push buttan, do 0 damage doesn't feel good.
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Apr 17, 2016 16:42
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Flash doing no damage was nice back in the day when people used CC and allowed you to keep threat over the healer's healing.
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Apr 17, 2016 17:37
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Haquer posted:AST told me I need to learn how to play my job better I was going to say it probably had more to do with you taking twice as much damage as the other DPS, but then I saw you're playing dragoon 
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Apr 17, 2016 17:41
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Kwyndig posted:I was going to say it probably had more to do with you taking twice as much damage as the other DPS, but then I saw you're playing dragoon My damage recieved was low up until I saw he was being an honest healer, then I started standing in AoEs to give him some work to do v v
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Apr 17, 2016 17:45
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Oh, I've totally done that too when playing DPS upon encountering an honest healer.
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Apr 17, 2016 17:49
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i just started playing again and honest healer is a new term on me and there's no google results for it. what does it mean and why does everyone hate it
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Apr 17, 2016 17:52
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It means they only heal and just stand there in phases of low incoming damage, and that's why people hate them
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Apr 17, 2016 18:02
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They're healers who do little or no damage in encounters. It's a reference to seiferguy posted:Preliminary Patch 3.3 notes: Edit: can't forget this classic seiferguy posted:In honor of the 6 DPS healer: Kwyndig fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Apr 17, 2016 18:10
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Bonfire Lit posted:It means they only heal and just stand there in phases of low incoming damage, and that's why people hate them They also get lovely when you suggest that they toss out a DPS spell instead of standing there doing literally nothing and say stuff like "if i wanted to dps, i'd be a dps." Some of them will even get lovely at other healers who do use DPS spells and yell at them to just heal. When I was new I was an honest healer because I was scared of everything, so I spent boss fights just standing there watching for a health bar to dip below 90%. But after doing that two or three times you realize "hey I can use some dps spells and make this go faster" pretty quickly. I don't really "hate" honest healers unless they're of the "yell at everybody who thinks healers should DPS" variety. If they just quietly play badly then the dungeon takes a little longer to clear, but nobody wipes so whatever who cares
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Apr 17, 2016 18:11
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Healer is probably my favorite role in duty roulettes, simply because healers who actually dps are rare as rocking horse poo poo, so if I
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Apr 17, 2016 18:25
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It really grinds my gears when I'm doing raids/dungeons and I'm paired with a honest healer. I had a A8 the other day with an AST who only used hope (on the tank) and ewer (on themselves) would not go into dps stance, and who seemed to be standing around half the fight, while I was a dishonest WHM. I did decent damage and still topped the healing chart and I really wanted to shake him and ask him what he did with himself when he wasn't standing in aoe. I've gotten my paladin up to Heavensward content, and I've found that using legacy movement makes it so easy to back out of AOEs, but it also makes turning a pain in the rear end. Is there a way in settings to combine the backwards running of legacy with the sideways movement of standard mode?
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Apr 17, 2016 18:38
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In the next expansion, the first new quest for each healer class should be a reminder that not DPSing during downtime/MP allowing is bad. *edit - and the capstone quest, because many will forget. Bonfire Lit posted:That's actually a theme in the CNJ quests but most people don't notice. Yep! You nailed my point. isk fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Apr 17, 2016 18:39
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That's actually a theme in the CNJ quests but most people don't notice.
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Apr 17, 2016 18:57
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Bonfire Lit posted:That's actually a theme in the CNJ quests but most people don't notice. She should've died at the end, it's the only way people would remember
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Apr 17, 2016 19:16
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Has anybody else been having certificate issues with the launcher lately? It's come up twice this week.
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Apr 17, 2016 19:18
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Can someone tell me how to AoE as a dragoon? I kind of levelled up my dragoon doing quests because I wanted to see all the quests in the game. I do a pretty good job against bosses, like in trials or raids, and I think I've got the single target DPS rotation down pretty well. I usually avoid dungeons because tanks pick up huge packs and I just don't feel dragoons have any fun AoE. However, my scholar friend resubbed recently, and as my only 60s are healers and dragoon, I went as dragoon. And he did more damage on the large AoE packs than me and I feel really dumb and useless. I think it's time I learn how to do this right? I mean, I've tried using Doom Spike and/or Ring of Thorns but that doesn't work well. I also try doing my single target rotation to keep up Blood of the Dragon and use Geirskogul liberally, but that also sucked. I don't know what to do. I feel royally dumb. The black mage in our group kicked my rear end and I kept stealing agro from the tank during bosses and getting hit by the tank busters and it was such a lovely run I don't even want to ever play dragoon again!
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Apr 17, 2016 19:21
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Dragoon, and melee DPS in general, have poo poo AOE compared to casters in this game. All you can really do is heavy thrust->ring of thorns->spam doom spike->invigorate->spam doom spike->do single target rotation when you get to something like 300-500 TP left.
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Apr 17, 2016 19:42
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What are the chances of Heavensward going on sale on Steam soon? I've hit 50 on my Warrior, and while I don't mind leveling other classes, I want to continue going full 
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Apr 17, 2016 19:50
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Haquer posted:AST told me I need to learn how to play my job better To be fair, pre-50 (Those are pre-50 numbers right?) Astrologian has loving dick-all for DPS options. However, if they're not even casting Malefic when they get a chance, yeah, they're bad.
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Apr 17, 2016 19:56
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Haquer posted:My damage recieved was low up until I saw he was being an honest healer, then I started standing in AoEs to give him some work to do v Nice dude, you really showed that guy by intentionally loving up. What an idiot!
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Apr 17, 2016 19:58
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Apr 17, 2016 20:22
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Unless those dps were in 220+ gear with lore weapons, they're at least doing level 60ish dps if they were in 170-180ish gear. Edit: Wait it's fractal so they'd be scaled down to 210, same thing applies then.
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Apr 17, 2016 20:34
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ruta posted:Can someone tell me how to AoE as a dragoon? I kind of levelled up my dragoon doing quests because I wanted to see all the quests in the game. I do a pretty good job against bosses, like in trials or raids, and I think I've got the single target DPS rotation down pretty well. I usually avoid dungeons because tanks pick up huge packs and I just don't feel dragoons have any fun AoE. However, my scholar friend resubbed recently, and as my only 60s are healers and dragoon, I went as dragoon. And he did more damage on the large AoE packs than me and I feel really dumb and useless. I think it's time I learn how to do this right? I mean, I've tried using Doom Spike and/or Ring of Thorns but that doesn't work well. I also try doing my single target rotation to keep up Blood of the Dragon and use Geirskogul liberally, but that also sucked. I don't know what to do. I feel royally dumb. The black mage in our group kicked my rear end and I kept stealing agro from the tank during bosses and getting hit by the tank busters and it was such a lovely run I don't even want to ever play dragoon again! Mymla posted:Dragoon, and melee DPS in general, have poo poo AOE compared to casters in this game. All you can really do is heavy thrust->ring of thorns->spam doom spike->invigorate->spam doom spike->do single target rotation when you get to something like 300-500 TP left. Mymla's advice is solid. SMNs/BLMs/SCHs have much better sustainability in AoE packs, but you can still contribute. A bit more advice - Ring of Thorns combos off of Heavy Thrust. It's slightly less damage, but you save some TP. Also, pop Internal Release/Blood for Blood after Heavy Thrust, and throw in a Dragonfire Dive when everything's grouped. If there's a BRD or MCH in the group, they can help with TP recovery. If you're regularly taking aggro off the tank during bosses (even after properly using Elusive Jump), they're doing it wrong. They have plenty of time to land their first enmity combo before you start spamming your buffed jumps (these should come in after Disembowel). I switched to DRG main in HW, and it's generally been fun. Sometimes you get lovely tanks, but in my experience it's the exception.
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Apr 17, 2016 20:45
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Solumin posted:What are the chances of Heavensward going on sale on Steam soon? I've hit 50 on my Warrior, and while I don't mind leveling other classes, I want to continue going full Probably won't happen until the next expansion is released. If you don't plan to quit for awhile, go ahead and pick it up now.
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Apr 17, 2016 20:48
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It feels pretty good to get 1200 dps as a SCH in EXDR. Hard City is a little better but Blizzard 2 is an underrated CC skill.
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Apr 17, 2016 20:51
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OneDeadlyBum posted:Probably won't happen until the next expansion is released. If you don't plan to quit for awhile, go ahead and pick it up now. Great, thanks!
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Apr 17, 2016 21:01
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Tokyo Sexwhale posted:To be fair, pre-50 (Those are pre-50 numbers right?) Astrologian has loving dick-all for DPS options. However, if they're not even casting Malefic when they get a chance, yeah, they're bad. Nah, that was a level 50 dungeon (Amdapor Hard I think? I'm not at my PC right now to check, been unlocking all the 50 dungeons for 50DR) Fister Roboto posted:Nice dude, you really showed that guy by intentionally loving up. What an idiot! Cool, shut up nerd
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Apr 17, 2016 21:19
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isk posted:Mymla's advice is solid. SMNs/BLMs/SCHs have much better sustainability in AoE packs, but you can still contribute. A bit more advice - Ring of Thorns combos off of Heavy Thrust. It's slightly less damage, but you save some TP. Also, pop Internal Release/Blood for Blood after Heavy Thrust, and throw in a Dragonfire Dive when everything's grouped. If there's a BRD or MCH in the group, they can help with TP recovery. Yeah, I did use my Ring of Thorns off of Heavy Thrust, though it was sometimes hard to get the positional to get it to trigger because the tank was kind of fidgety. I should work on that. But overall, I guess I just can't expect to do much damage in AoE packs and let it be. I'm just so used to doing really really well in trials and raids and pvp and stuff, so I was in shock at my dismal AoE pack numbers. Thanks for all the advice, though! I don't really know who to blame for the last boss's agro shenanigans. The tank kept getting hit by the confuse and it was horrible. If tanks get hit by stuff like this, should DPS just layoff? The black mage wasn't so I didn't either, but anyway, the tank got hit by the first confuse, and I got hit by the first tank buster that comes right after. I don't remember exactly where I was in my opener, but it was pretty early on. I didn't take hate again, as my entire rotation got screwed by the early death, but the black mage ate two more tank busters before eating the dust. I rarely do dungeons to begin with, but this kind of made me not want to do it as a DPS for a long while.
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Apr 17, 2016 21:33
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ruta posted:Yeah, I did use my Ring of Thorns off of Heavy Thrust, though it was sometimes hard to get the positional to get it to trigger because the tank was kind of fidgety. I should work on that. But overall, I guess I just can't expect to do much damage in AoE packs and let it be. I'm just so used to doing really really well in trials and raids and pvp and stuff, so I was in shock at my dismal AoE pack numbers. Thanks for all the advice, though! I main DRG and was at first upset at how bad AoE is for the class but then didn't care when I realized that you end up doing enough damage to bosses due to amazing single target DPS that you still do more damage in a dungeon than most casters (really good SMNs can blow by me though).
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Apr 17, 2016 21:36
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I'm glad that people ITT have started to go full goon about "honest healers" by acting like complete assholes to strangers on the internet.
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Apr 17, 2016 21:42
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ruta posted:Yeah, I did use my Ring of Thorns off of Heavy Thrust, though it was sometimes hard to get the positional to get it to trigger because the tank was kind of fidgety. I should work on that. But overall, I guess I just can't expect to do much damage in AoE packs and let it be. I'm just so used to doing really really well in trials and raids and pvp and stuff, so I was in shock at my dismal AoE pack numbers. Thanks for all the advice, though! Ultimately it's your call, do what you find fun, but if it helps, that sounds like a rare Antitower run. Anecdotal evidence and all, but I've capped Lore every week mostly through EXDR, and I don't remember wiping on an Antitower boss. Anyhow, if the tank gets Confused or isn't broken out of Dollhouse in time, someone's probably getting clipped by that tankbuster, whether or not you stop DPSing. Elusive Jump would be good, then Keen Flurry (if it can even be Parry'd) if the tank isn't out in time. I don't see the need for that too often. In current EXDR (and most HW) dungeons, a strong DD and an adequate tank are better than the other way, since most of the mechanics are randomly/group targetted and a strong DD will kill things faster. isk fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Apr 17, 2016 21:55
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Fister Roboto posted:I'm glad that people ITT have started to go full goon about "honest healers" by acting like complete assholes to strangers on the internet. Me too, healing would be goddamn boring in this game by itself. They must be soulless.
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Apr 17, 2016 21:57
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Fister Roboto posted:I'm glad that people ITT have started to go full goon about "honest healers" by acting like complete assholes to strangers on the internet. A lot of it is just venting, I'm sure. I dislike healers that don't dps, but if I get the feeling that they won't accept critique, I just give the commendation to someone else and move on with my life.
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Apr 17, 2016 22:04
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Fister Roboto posted:I'm glad that people ITT have started to go full goon about "honest healers" by acting like complete assholes to strangers on the internet. We're unironically the worst sometimes.
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Apr 17, 2016 22:15
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Fister Roboto posted:I'm glad that people ITT have started to go full goon about "honest healers" by acting like complete assholes to strangers on the internet. That said, I don't ask for Cleric Stance nearly as often as I should.
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