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6EQUJ5 6 7 posted:I've got a spare memory lode 2, who should I use it for? Is your Gilgamesh level 80? If not, Gilgamesh. Otherwise Cloud or Tyro.
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Gilgamesh is not. The other two are though. Thanks!
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Apr 17, 2016 13:10
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The gyshal greens drop rate is so loving frustrating. Just lower the drops and increase the rate, you assholes! I have seen one drop in all of the ++ dungeons and that is all I have run for three days. Come on.
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Apr 17, 2016 13:19
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Schwartzcough posted:So I want to take one 4* lightning-elemental summon from R1 to R4. Yeah, summons are probably rather suckful in general Summons don't suck anymore.
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Apr 17, 2016 14:10
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Summons are insanely good now it owns
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Apr 17, 2016 15:43
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Any Elemental Resistances to worry about in the ++ daily? I've been rolling with Leviathan and Valefor but I'm worried about that "Magic Dragon" enemy.
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Apr 17, 2016 15:48
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Take ice/lightning
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Apr 17, 2016 15:49
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Valefor is non-elemental, so resistances don't matter there. Other than, well, Resistance, but nothing in the dailies should survive it barring you using an underpowered character or something.
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Apr 17, 2016 15:51
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Alxprit posted:Any Elemental Resistances to worry about in the ++ daily? I've been rolling with Leviathan and Valefor but I'm worried about that "Magic Dragon" enemy. The dragons resist earth. There are some ice/lightning vulnerable mobs, but mostly take whatever that isn't quake/fat Chocobo. Also most of them are vulnerable to break/KO.
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Apr 17, 2016 15:52
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Well Chadarnook would have been easier if I didn't go in with Waterja on Terra, but got there in the end. Really the only tricky thing was not accidentally hitting Goddess form and getting countered.
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Apr 17, 2016 16:05
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Evil Fluffy posted:Why are you using Tailwind at the beginning of a fight? I know it gives protectga but if you're using it for that it seems like a waste unless your setup simply cannot afford to fit it elsewhere for some reason. I like to optimize efficiency, and would rather overlap in something that requires multiple applications (healing) than something that usually doesn't (Protectga). I have redundancy in healing (Garnet's Divine Guardian), and by not having another Protectga, I allow Garnet to be flexible with either Diaga and a summon, or a Curaja if needed for spot healing, or Shellga if I want Paladin Cecil and Agrias to both have Lifesiphon and a knight ability (Saint Cross, Banishing Strike, Armor Strike, etc). I suppose in my max-mitigation setup I don't use Tailwind immediately, but in the future if we got another RM giving an SB-gauge at the start of battle, I probably would. I like neutering/spaying/removing the gonads from bosses even beyond the point of being necessary. Watching them hit with double-digit damage is hilarious. Also, here is my max-mitigation setup, RW Shout or Planet Protector:  Replace Agrias's Lifesiphon with an -aga spellblade if the boss has a weakness, or two and give Saint Cross to Cecil. The bench includes Sephiroth with Black Materia and Vivi with Double Decay for some flexibility in damage dealing. Regarding that localization change, I just assumed the "Decay" was referring to the orbital decay of the big asteroid caused by the little asteroids attaching to the big one. 
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Apr 17, 2016 16:24
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I only have 1 mc2 crystal left. Do I break cloud just to get a mako might?
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Apr 17, 2016 17:20
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KataraniSword posted:Quetzacoatl is at least as powerful as a -ja It actually isn't. Quetz is 800 potency, -jas are 900 potency.
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Apr 17, 2016 17:27
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Erdricks posted:I only have 1 mc2 crystal left. Do I break cloud just to get a mako might? YES.
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Apr 17, 2016 17:32
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Nephrite posted:Is your Gilgamesh level 80? If not, Gilgamesh. Otherwise Cloud or Tyro. Tyro and Cloud's RM3s are invaluable and should be prioritized over Gilgamesh even if you have a Genji Blade unless the player has literally zero defensive/support SBs.
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Apr 17, 2016 17:45
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There has not been an +,++,+++,ultimate where I have not used both Mako Might and Dr Mog.
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Apr 17, 2016 18:11
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Goodbye Platinum Sword. I spent 300+ mythril chasing you but it was not to be  Oh well, I'll just have to be satisfied with my absurdly powerful Agrias and her two broken relics. I did not know going into this that the +10 Attack mastery bonus gives her the second highest attack power in the game, just slightly below Sephiroth. gently caress yeah.
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Apr 17, 2016 18:41
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Looking forward to actually being able to experiment with team setups vs the [U+] since it costs 1 stam, one of my biggest gripes about mobile games like this is that you can't replay hard content without waiting/paying for stam refills.
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Apr 17, 2016 18:49
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Beasteh posted:Looking forward to actually being able to experiment with team setups vs the [U+] since it costs 1 stam, one of my biggest gripes about mobile games like this is that you can't replay hard content without waiting/paying for stam refills. I was thinking this before too. It would be fun to make up my own little challenges on ultimates and see if I could win. Maybe I can do that with +
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Apr 17, 2016 18:50
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Zurai posted:It actually isn't. Quetz is 800 potency, -jas are 900 potency. Ugh, god, I got all the facts wrong last night, didn't I?  Sorry. Goes to show me not to post while sick.IcePhoenix posted:Jesus Christ the ++ EXP dungeon gives 175k exp (compared to 99k for the +) For anyone keeping track at home, that's how much a three-mini wave was giving in Orbfest, roughly. The ++ EXP daily costs more, sure, but that's a reliable 175k as opposed to "it could be 175k or 75k but it'll probably be about 95k".
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Apr 17, 2016 19:14
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KataraniSword posted:For anyone keeping track at home, that's how much a three-mini wave was giving in Orbfest, roughly. The ++ EXP daily costs more, sure, but that's a reliable 175k as opposed to "it could be 175k or 75k but it'll probably be about 95k". Yes, but orbs. ORBS. I want my orbfest.
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Apr 17, 2016 19:50
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Holy gently caress Galufs SB is awful. One hit, one target. I guess Its useful if your desperate for boostga.
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Apr 17, 2016 19:56
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CaptainPsyko posted:Summons don't suck anymore. Perhaps "suckful" is too strong a word, but RES scores for ultimate bosses is already going up steadily, so attacks that are only about as strong as -ajas but get half the casts are a somewhat questionable investment at this point. But eh, gotta have something for the summoners to do. KataraniSword posted:Non-Elemental orbs aren't in nearly as high of a demand as Wind Orbs, just because most of the good stuff they're used for are situational (AoEs, Flare) or not out in Global yet. Zurai posted:It actually isn't. Quetz is 800 potency, -jas are 900 potency. Yeah, this. It's getting to the point where an -aja hitting a weakness with a high MAG character can't hit the damage cap against tough bosses (people were having a very hard time getting near the damage cap against Chad with Diaga, for example). I don't know if it's wise to skimp on power further when a lot of the summoners I might be using are actually white/summoners with mediocre MAG stats. I do agree that Wind orbs are more valuable, though, which is what makes the choice tough. But as I get healing SBs, I don't really think I need a 5/5 Curaja anymore; R4 has been working fine. Similarly I don't think I've ever used up all the casts on even a R3 Diaga. Anyway, I've decided to put off my dreams of making and honing Bahamut to R3, when I realized that for the cost of a R3 Bahamut I could make and hone over 3 sets of R5 Maduin, and still have 42 Major Dark Orbs untouched. R5 maduin puts out slightly more damage than R3 Bahamut, although over 5 casts instead of 3. Still, more casts means more SB charging for my casters, which is arguably an upside. All those extra Summon Orbs I had set aside for Bahamut should let me really fill out my summon list, with probably: R5 Maduin R4 Valefor R4 Alexander R4 Leviathan R4 Othros R4 Phoenix R4 Ixion or Quetzalcoatl god damnit argh. Edit: ApplesandOranges posted:Is Syldra out of the question? Same potency as Ixion, but uses more Summon orbs in exchange for not using Major Lightnings. Wind orb cost is greater though. Oh, yeah- it's weaker than Ixion and uses a lot more of the wind orbs I care about. Wind orbs are far more valuable than Lightning, so I don't care much that Ixion/Quetz use WAY more lightning orbs. Schwartzcough fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Apr 17, 2016 19:59
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Why Phoenix. R5 Ifrit hits harder and is way cheaper. That's my list of summons minus Ulty and Valefor, I don't see the need for 2 of the same.
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Apr 17, 2016 20:06
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Beasteh posted:Why Phoenix. R5 Ifrit hits harder and is way cheaper. That's my list of summons minus Ulty and Valefor, I don't see the need for 2 of the same. Phoenix is 800 potency vs. Ifrit's 550. So a R5 Ifrit has a total potency of 2750 vs. a R4 Phoenix's potency of 3200. Plus Phoenix has the revival if it ever ends up being relevant. And while Ifrit does have the double-hit property, the chances of getting a 550 potency Ifrit to break the 9999 damage cap vs tough bosses is virtually 0. Edit: Also, I don't have much else demanding my fire orbs, so why not. That said, I've already got a R4 Ifrit. Ultros could be handy in the odd bossfight when blind is valuable. He's basically a magical version of Blind Shot, so there's some utility there. And Valefor and Maduin have the highest multipliers of the 4* summons, and sometimes you might want to just load up on non-elemental damage. I only have Valefor because I made and honed it a long time ago; these days Maduin seems like the much wiser investment, but I'm not breaking Valefor down now.
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Apr 17, 2016 20:12
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I love my R3 Phoenix for babysitting garbo characters on dailies, but that's admittedly super niche, and I'd never hone it past that. Honestly, even R2 would be plenty.
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Apr 17, 2016 20:12
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Lechtansi posted:Holy gently caress Galufs SB is awful. One hit, one target. I guess Its useful if your desperate for boostga. RIght now I have no Hastega or Wall, so if I manged to get a source of Haste I could actually use Galuf and RW Wall instead of Shout like I normally do. But yeah, it's pretty bad for an SB, but it's still better then default. And someone might benefit from the thunder damage boost like... uh. Cross referencing people who can wield Hammers with access to Spellblade, Dragoon or a Lightning SB(just Stormlance Grimoire) Tyro, Luneth, Gilgamesh and Delita.
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Apr 17, 2016 20:23
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KataraniSword posted:For anyone keeping track at home, that's how much a three-mini wave was giving in Orbfest, roughly. The ++ EXP daily costs more, sure, but that's a reliable 175k as opposed to "it could be 175k or 75k but it'll probably be about 95k". Now imagine getting triple mini-cactuar waves in a ++ orbfest xp level. 
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Apr 17, 2016 21:52
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If only I could summon a RW three times, then I'd be able to handle the Heroic difficulty dailies. I guess that would make them a bit too OP though. It's a shame that I can't really handle anything that gives out Greater orbs since Shellga is all I really need due to being able to just Protect and Draw Fire with Ramza.
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Apr 17, 2016 21:53
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Schwartzcough posted:Phoenix is 800 potency vs. Ifrit's 550. So a R5 Ifrit has a total potency of 2750 vs. a R4 Phoenix's potency of 3200. Plus Phoenix has the revival if it ever ends up being relevant. And while Ifrit does have the double-hit property, the chances of getting a 550 potency Ifrit to break the 9999 damage cap vs tough bosses is virtually 0. Edit: Also, I don't have much else demanding my fire orbs, so why not. That said, I've already got a R4 Ifrit. Yeah but it's two hits so you only need to hit 5k to out damage Phoenix.
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Apr 17, 2016 22:35
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You basically need a Faithga at this point to use mages in high end content. I have one, but it's on Garnet, so I'm stuck between choosing a Faithga or a Hastega+Heavy Regen. 
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Apr 17, 2016 22:41
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Twelve by Pies posted:If only I could summon a RW three times, then I'd be able to handle the Heroic difficulty dailies. I guess that would make them a bit too OP though. It's a shame that I can't really handle anything that gives out Greater orbs since Shellga is all I really need due to being able to just Protect and Draw Fire with Ramza. You can probably get good results with Cloud's BSB as a RW. Have your strongest character cast it against the first wave and use the aoe burst command to clear the next two waves (or at least weaken them enough for the rest of your party). If you are unable to do the third stage just retreat out, since you keep all the stuff you already got once you retreat.
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Apr 17, 2016 22:43
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I took a stab at Ultimate 'nook but I don't think I'm up to it. I forgot to swap out Protectga for Shellga, and if I hadn't made that mistake I might have a shot at clearing it, but Flash Rain and Thundaga are just hitting way too hard when I only have SG up. Even aside from that I think I really need a second caster to help get mitigation up and force a form shift before Entice happens. I have a solid physical team now, but I'm really lacking in anything for casters; the only relics I have for characters who can run White Mage are Selphie's Morning Star and Garnet's Asura's Rod, and I really haven't invested at all in magic abilities, so I'll have to see what I can scrape together over the next couple of days to get another mage on the team.
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Any holy ability, including Knight skills and the Flower of Trabia RM, works to shift Chadarnook into Demon form. You only need a Magic ability (Dia, Alexander or Flower of Trabia) to break Demon's physical immunity. The actual gimmick is identical to Ultimate Silver Wyvern's - just queue up a Holy Ability a little after his fourth action. Don't bother bringing anti-physical mitigation outside of incidental stuff, either - the hard part of the fight is almost pure magic. Memento of Prayer or a Regen SB can help immensely with the sap from Poltergeist too. e: You have native SG, right? Take Curaja and Lifesiphon on Tyro, and Diaga and Shellga on Selphie, then fill out with 3 Physical attackers with as much Holy as you can fit (plus Magic Breakdown). Niton fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Yeah but it's two hits so you only need to hit 5k to out damage Phoenix. My point is that Ifrit is only a tiny bit stronger than -aga spells, and you are simply not going to hit the damage cap with -aga spells against ultimate/+ bosses going forward without crazy stacking of magic buffs and RES debuffs. So Ifrit will not be doing 5000 per hit, meaning it's just plain weaker than Phoenix. Against much weaker bosses Ifrit might win out, but probably not by that much; and since they're much weaker than it won't really matter either way. Opposing Farce posted:I took a stab at Ultimate 'nook but I don't think I'm up to it. I forgot to swap out Protectga for Shellga, and if I hadn't made that mistake I might have a shot at clearing it, but Flash Rain and Thundaga are just hitting way too hard when I only have SG up. Even aside from that I think I really need a second caster to help get mitigation up and force a form shift before Entice happens. I have a solid physical team now, but I'm really lacking in anything for casters; the only relics I have for characters who can run White Mage are Selphie's Morning Star and Garnet's Asura's Rod, and I really haven't invested at all in magic abilities, so I'll have to see what I can scrape together over the next couple of days to get another mage on the team. Do you have any lightning damage reducing gear or accessories? I guess most of those accessories have been rewards for clearing ultimate fights, making them not much use for people trying to beat ultimates for the first time, but you could check. Most of Chad's damage output is lightning damage, so they would really help. Also, you're using Magic Breakdown, right?
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Schwartzcough posted:Also, you're using Magic Breakdown, right? Yeah, of course. I went back with Shell equipped and a Divine Guardian RW and that helped a lot, but I ran out of steam near the end of the fight because I was trigger-happy about refreshing my mitigation and burned everything too early. Is there a good way to judge how long these buffs last and when I need to re-up or am I just going to have to feel it out across a bunch of S/Ls?
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KnoxZone posted:You can probably get good results with Cloud's BSB as a RW. Have your strongest character cast it against the first wave and use the aoe burst command to clear the next two waves (or at least weaken them enough for the rest of your party). If you are unable to do the third stage just retreat out, since you keep all the stuff you already got once you retreat. This is no longer a good idea in the era of Gysahl Greens and orbs as completion rewards. Maybe on XP day, but the rest of the week, stick to a level of content you can finish.
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eh, still has merit if your doing it just to level
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Oh, good. I managed to beat Chadarnook and even mastered him on my first go (lost one metal for actions and two for damage). It took a lot of doing and I lost a bunch of attempts to stupid things like activating the wrong buff first or miscounting turns in demon form, but it worked out in the end. Tyro (Lv. 68): Lifesiphon R2/Saint's Cross R1, Dr. Mog's Teachings, Sentinel's Grimoire Selphie (Lv. 66): Shellga R1/Curaga R4, Flower of Trabia, Trabia's Light Ramza (Lv. 67): Banishing Blade R2/Magic Breakdown R1, Mako Might, Shout Zidane (Lv. 65): Dismissal R1/Lifesiphon R2, Battleforged, Shift Break Freya (Lv. 65): Leaching Leap R2/Armor Breakdown R1, Burmecian Dragon Knight, Dragon Breath RW: Divine Guardian Native Shout and Wall have been getting me pretty far on their own, but none of my abilities are honed very well and I don't have much VI synergy (I've got a Kotetsu and a couple of armor pieces and that's it) so this one was a close shave. In the end saving some of my ability charges for the Poltergeist phase made the difference; it took a bit of luck to weather his attacks between when Divine Guardian and shell ran out and when I could re-up them, but once I made it through I had just enough resources to kill him before my heals and mitigation ran out entirely. The "defeat Chadarnook before it casts Poltergeist three times" goal is kind of funny to me because I'm pretty sure I would've just died if he got a third Poltergeist off. This is the first Ultimate I've beaten other than Belias, which I take it doesn't really "count," so I'm glad I got through it even if I had to burn an extra 60 stamina.
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I'm having trouble with Chadarnook; it feels significantly harder than Leblanc or Belias did. Only put a few tries in so far with only one setup (that I'm beginning to suspect isn't ideal; it lacks any elemental weaknesses for Vivi to exploit so he's not contributing nearly as much as he normally does, among other things), but I think this is going to be the first ultimate I've made it to that I have real difficulty with.
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