ToxicSlurpee posted:

In that case it's possible to be happy that he can't gently caress up SCOTUS decisions anymore without celebrating his death. Let's be honest here, that was a net gain for America.

Jurgan posted:

Right, I agree, but there are others. Tim Kreider's reveling over Reagan's death, for instance- Reagan was long out of power and not in the position to hurt anyone.

Jurgan posted:

Right, I agree, but there are others. Tim Kreider's reveling over Reagan's death, for instance- Reagan was long out of power and not in the position to hurt anyone.

Total Meatlove posted:

So Ding Dong the Witch is Dead getting into the charts when Thatcher died was in poor taste?

Total Meatlove posted:

So Ding Dong the Witch is Dead getting into the charts when Thatcher died was in poor taste?

Total Meatlove posted:

So Ding Dong the Witch is Dead getting into the charts when Thatcher died was in poor taste?

Zerilan posted:

Yeah, it was. What makes Scalia potentially different is that it was pretty much the only thing that was going to get him out of power. He wasn't some guy who was long retired and no longer relevant.

Jurgan posted:

I agree. If it's someone who's actively harming people, cheering for his death is fine, because you're really celebrating that he's out of power. If it's someone who's long-since retired, well, you can cheer and make jokes if you want, but you don't have any high ground to get offended when conservatives do the same thing.

Defenestration posted:

fake cartoon poo poo is not like real life? shocking
PS you bet that 1955 mom smoked through her pregnancy

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Electrician with the power utility vs picking fruit

Rigged Death Trap posted:

Think of it like pissing on Reagan's grave.
It's cartharsis, pure and simple, aimed square at the person who helped kicked world politics rightwards in a blind ideological drive.

Jurgan posted:

I agree. If it's someone who's actively harming people, cheering for his death is fine, because you're really celebrating that he's out of power. If it's someone who's long-since retired, well, you can cheer and make jokes if you want, but you don't have any high ground to get offended when conservatives do the same thing.

VitalSigns posted:

The constitution is a sacred--oh wait a black man is president? Throw it out.

"Oh hey we Americans want fair pay for the tough jobs—"
"Nope!"

Keeshhound posted:

It's really not. No matter who they are, celebrating someone else's death is a lovely thing to do. You can make all the excuses you want, I'm with George on this.

Defenestration posted:

big uptick in Jeezus memes this week

quote:

So... I am the meanest mom ever... Like... Ever.
Took the kids to Dairy Queen after dinner. They ordered their dessert choices and we waited about 5 minutes for them to call out our number. The young lady (maybe 17) handed each child their ice cream. Not one looked her in the eye. Not one said thank you. Not to her, not to me... So I waited. I counted to 10
in my head as they dug into their ice cream and the young lady just looked at me (probably because she thought I was hearing voices) and I watched as my children strolled out the door. I followed them outside where I calmly collected their ice creams and my kids watched in horror as I deposited them into the nearby garbage can. All 3 launched into mass hysteria. I waited. Quiet. Calm. When they realized I had something to say, they quieted down.
I explained that one day, if they were lucky, they would work a job like that young lady. And I would hope that people would see them. Really see them. Look them in the eye and say thank you. We are too old at 8/7/5 to move through our days without exercising manners and honestly basic human decency.
So today, I am the meanest mom in the world.

Defenestration posted:

Electrician with the power utility vs picking fruit

socialsecurity posted:

My friend always talks about the southern state, Alabama I think? that tried hiring real Americans to be fruit pickers, he was blames people for being lazy for not taking the jobs because moving across the country to pick fruit for $8 a hour is a thing anyone can just do.

socialsecurity posted:

My friend always talks about the southern state, Alabama I think? that tried hiring real Americans to be fruit pickers, he was blames people for being lazy for not taking the jobs because moving across the country to pick fruit for $8 a hour is a thing anyone can just do.

Redeye Flight posted:

Georgia. They passed a bill banning migrant workers.

The immediate result was a catastrophic work shortage in the fruit industry--no "real Americans" were willing to put in those grueling hours for that pitiful pay, so an enormous amount of the Georgian crop rotted in the fields that year and the losses were enormous.

Redeye Flight posted:

Georgia. They passed a bill banning migrant workers.

The immediate result was a catastrophic work shortage in the fruit industry--no "real Americans" were willing to put in those grueling hours for that pitiful pay, so an enormous amount of the Georgian crop rotted in the fields that year and the losses were enormous.

LeJackal posted:

Sounds like those business owners decided to make some bad decisions and not adjust their wages. Seems like those losses could have been avoided if not for corporate greed.

quote:

Many farmers want to hire local workers, but it is increasingly difficult to find U.S. natives with the proper skills. Few are willing or able to perform the physically taxing and low paying labor which requires them to move with the crops, even with wages of $15-$20 an hour. Georgia recently experimented with creating a program that allowed parolees to work as farm laborers, but it was unsuccessful when they wouldn’t — or couldn’t — endure the grueling days.

Bast Relief posted:

I work with a bunch of democrats and one libertarian. Yet a large portion of them seem to think that some jobs should just pay poo poo wages as a matter of course still. It's very frustrating. I have heard these same people lauding the work ethics of Mexicans because of that scenario that played out with doing away with immigrant labor. You know, if our society as a whole depends on a particular kind of labor, then I think we should pay well for it despite the skills or lack thereof (usually perceived only) that the job takes.
But then they argue that prices will go up! Workers will be laid off! Small business will go out of business! I don't believe any of this is true, but on Friday a coworker waved the newspaper at me and told me "So it turns out it's not working in Seattle already!" in response to something I had said earlier in the week. Then he told me unemployment was going up in the PNW. Is that even true? I was too busy to sit and read the paper with him. God drat it I'm at work, I'm working. What the gently caress are you doing man?

Defenestration posted:

and the trans people who want to pee!

Dr.Caligari posted:

I want to read the rest of the sign about "ROPE AND CHAINS"

darthbob88 posted:

Thing I always hate about this sort of thing is that they always count Jesse Jackson and the like in the political class, but never the Kochs or ALEC.

Defenestration posted:

Bonus mommy blog fwd fwd fwd


Jesus gently caress, just make sure you kids know what you expect of them, model the behavior, and prompt them on it if they need it. Don't throw your own tantrum and act like you're some hero of the working class because you took ice cream from children.

FIRST TIME posted:

That's like that dad that recorded himself shooting the poo poo out of his daughter's laptop because she was acting out online. All he had to do is take it away from her and if he decided she didn't deserve to have it back, sell it or give it away or whatever. Instead he made it about making himself look badass for the internet with pointless destruction. His daughter learned a lot from his behavior and none of it was positive or relevant to her online activities.

Bast Relief posted:

I work with a bunch of democrats and one libertarian. Yet a large portion of them seem to think that some jobs should just pay poo poo wages as a matter of course still. It's very frustrating. I have heard these same people lauding the work ethics of Mexicans because of that scenario that played out with doing away with immigrant labor. You know, if our society as a whole depends on a particular kind of labor, then I think we should pay well for it despite the skills or lack thereof (usually perceived only) that the job takes.
But then they argue that prices will go up! Workers will be laid off! Small business will go out of business! I don't believe any of this is true, but on Friday a coworker waved the newspaper at me and told me "So it turns out it's not working in Seattle already!" in response to something I had said earlier in the week. Then he told me unemployment was going up in the PNW. Is that even true? I was too busy to sit and read the paper with him. God drat it I'm at work, I'm working. What the gently caress are you doing man?

Verisimilidude posted:

At my old job I had two coworkers on my team, one was very liberal, the other was very conservative. Listening to them argue was great. One point that the liberal made that I'm still trying to work out is that we probably pay too little for most produce or manufactured goods, and that maybe strawberries shouldn't be a dollar a pound considering the amount of work that goes into producing them and how little the workers themselves get paid. We tend to take for granted that a banana has to be shipped several hundred if not thousands of miles before we can buy them for literal pennies at the supermarket, meanwhile the workers who produced those same bananas are probably being paid what we would consider to be slave wages.

What do y'all think?

Crain posted:

Sorry, but no. There is effectively no "Market Wage" people are willing to accept to subject themselves to the grueling work of picking crops. Hell, even when they tried to use prison labor and massively increased those wages compared to other "jobs" the prisoners could do they chose to stay in prison and make no money or way less money.

Crain posted:

No one wants to pick crops. It is such a hard job and the amount of food that needs to be picked is so great, that there is no point at which labor costs balance to allow farmers to make money. This is one of those areas where raising the cost of labor does produce that mythical $15 big mac. Only it's your blueberries and peaches. A very large portion of the US produce market is only able to survive off of what is effectively slave labor.

VitalSigns posted:

Verisimilidude posted:

At my old job I had two coworkers on my team, one was very liberal, the other was very conservative. Listening to them argue was great. One point that the liberal made that I'm still trying to work out is that we probably pay too little for most produce or manufactured goods, and that maybe strawberries shouldn't be a dollar a pound considering the amount of work that goes into producing them and how little the workers themselves get paid. We tend to take for granted that a banana has to be shipped several hundred if not thousands of miles before we can buy them for literal pennies at the supermarket, meanwhile the workers who produced those same bananas are probably being paid what we would consider to be slave wages.

What do y'all think?