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Spermgod posted:I wish someone would do a history of Japanese indie wrestling. So much interesting stuff there. The big two plus the UWF had a virtual monopoly on men's talent so guys like Onita and Hamada had to resort to a weird hodgepodge of karate guys, luchadors, women and guys who flunked out of the big two's dojo system like Ultimo Dragon and Tarzan Goto. Somehow out of that FMW was able to sell out domes with no TV for a couple of years. -FMW's ability to draw big once a year at Kawasaki Stadium is really something unique in wrestling. Most feds have a pyramid shape to their drawing numbers in terms of having a lot of small shows, a few mid-tier draws, and one big event. FMW was like a small hill with a 1,000 foot pole in the middle, rarely doing ~10,000 but drawing 30,000-50,000 for a handful of Onita singles matches. I will note that based on the gates, FMW's stadium shows probably had ticket prices that were 30-60% less than New Japan's. For instance, FMW's best all-time gate (5/5/95, Onita's "retirement" vs Hayabusa) was $2.5 million, and later that year New Japan raked in $6.1 million for the first big NJ vs UWFi event despite only drawing 10% more people.
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I really want to see a genealogy chart of Japanese wrestling promotions.
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If you have an interest in FMW and haven't already done so, read BAHU's FMW history page.
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JWA begat New Japan, All Japan and IWE. All Japan begat Royal Road, Kings Road, NOAH, Wrestle-1, and arguably SWS. New Japan begat UWF (and its three incarnations), Big Mouth Loud, Zero-1, IGF, and Muga/Dradition/Legend. That's just the start...
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What's the story with Zero-1, anyway? Wiki says Hashimoto was fired late in the year 2000 shortly after proposing a NJPW spinoff called Pro Wrestling ZERO but doesn't explain why. He was a huge star for them and only 35, what happened? Did AJPW make any kinda play for him as this was shortly after their huge exodus? Thauros fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Apr 1, 2016 |
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Thauros posted:What's the story with Zero-1, anyway? Wiki says Hashimoto was fired late in the year 2000 shortly after proposing a NJPW spinoff called Pro Wrestling ZERO but doesn't explain why. He was a huge star for them and only 35, what happened?
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Spermgod posted:I wish someone would do a history of Japanese indie wrestling. So much interesting stuff there. The big two plus the UWF had a virtual monopoly on men's talent so guys like Onita and Hamada had to resort to a weird hodgepodge of karate guys, luchadors, women and guys who flunked out of the big two's dojo system like Ultimo Dragon and Tarzan Goto. Somehow out of that FMW was able to sell out domes with no TV for a couple of years. Just like in Mexico, before PPVs and widespread tv-coverage, wrestling was promoted through magazines. Having a product like FMW produced good buzz since you had flashy explosions showing you a new style of wrestling. This made fans want to get the tapes (commercial tapes were your way of seeing shows and FMW had a good distributor) which in turn gave you an idea what the product was. FMW also toured smaller venues where the big promotions wouldn't run. The reason why Kawasaki was succesful was because of Onita being the working class hero. All those shows had him face someone bigger than him (Funk,Tenryu,Retirement). Cheap ticket prices and a big headline match drew crowds.
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Thauros posted:What's the story with Zero-1, anyway? Wiki says Hashimoto was fired late in the year 2000 shortly after proposing a NJPW spinoff called Pro Wrestling ZERO but doesn't explain why. He was a huge star for them and only 35, what happened? Part of it was that Choshu and him were having arguments about booking, I think
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namely that Hashimoto didn't want to job to anybody I believe
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Spermgod/people who watch AJPW, what can you tell me about this guy? https://twitter.com/smashwrestling/status/716078779421089794
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MagicCube posted:Spermgod/people who watch AJPW, what can you tell me about this guy? Pretty much completely average but it's kind of a cute gimmick. He just had a rare long singles match on a recent AJPW show that was solid http://rutube.ru/video/e444e3789762ca5503231246df552ece/
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He used to be tag partners with BUSHI who I' always thought was super bland until he joined Los Ingobernables and started rudoing it up. That is the extent of my SUSHI knowledge.
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SUSHI is the former Akira Raijin of TNA Kiyoshi fame.
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So, uhh, Tanahashi lost his air guitar in Okinawa... and now it has a Web site.
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It's me. I stole it.
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Chortles posted:So, uhh, Tanahashi lost his air guitar in Okinawa... and now it has a Web site. There's more than just that. He remembers having it in Okinawa, and is pretty sure he brought it back to Tokyo...right? And when the interviewer asks about color, shape, things like that, Tana shuts him down immediately. Why's it so important? It's in use from his entrance all the way through to the end of the match... This is goofy as hell but I wouldn't be surprised if the NJPW face fans eat it up.
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Kota Ibushi is set to compete on an IGF card on 5/29.  What's next, gathering of the juggalos?
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Tonfa posted:Kota Ibushi is set to compete on an IGF card on 5/29. the wwe global cruiserweight tourney
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ayn rand hand job posted:the wwe global cruiserweight tourney The Gathering and the WWE tourney are extremely likely to happen. The dude was smart in putting up his own booking office, since everyone is willing to dish out the cash for him.
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Ditch, do you have a spreadsheet for 1980s or 1990s puro matches like the 2000s one? edit: and/or something including joshi? Punch McLightning fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Apr 18, 2016 |
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Tonfa posted:Kota Ibushi is set to compete on an IGF card on 5/29. ICP probably pays better than Inoki.
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Fauxhawk Express posted:ICP probably pays better than Inoki. Inoki pays kickboxers five figures per match to fake fight.
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MassRafTer posted:Inoki pays kickboxers five figures per match to fake fight. The yakuza money from dse had to go somewhere.
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I never got to the '90s, and DVDVR was doing the '80s so I passed on it. Which reminds me, I really need to finish tallying the votes on the 2000s.
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Shameless promotion aside, inspired by this thread, I'm currently working on a chronological flow chart of all major (and not so major) Puroresu promotions. include Bahu's FMW webpage, Japanese Wikipedia and countless back issues of Weekly Pro-Wrestling. Coming sometime. Maybe.
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I'd really like to see that, especially where promotions got absorbed back into someone else.
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Jake Soo posted:Shameless promotion aside, inspired by this thread, I'm currently working on a chronological flow chart of all major (and not so major) Puroresu promotions. include Bahu's FMW webpage, Japanese Wikipedia and countless back issues of Weekly Pro-Wrestling. Coming sometime. Maybe. cool! I was working on a quick-n-dirty one a while back but I look forward to seeing one that had a drat given about it.
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Great for Sekimoto. I still wonder how AJPW is still in business, I guess sold shows are the norm?
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Probably some of that (I highly doubt they're paying anything for their upcoming Sumo Hall show for instance). They also have a ton of sponsors including some really big ones like the Japanese Automobile Federation. They're running on a skeleton crew right now and supplementing with a ton of outsiders, but the promotion booked by Akiyama and built around himself, Suwama (before he got injured), Zeus and Miyahara as the ace with Nomura (the best 2 year veteran in Japan) and Lee as up-and-comers is the most interesting it's been in quite a while IMO. They'll always be afforded more opportunities and respect than comparable promotions just because of the name so it's not inconceivable that they could turn things around. They're already arguably doing better than Wrestle-1 despite losing the lion's share of the talent in the split. Spermgod fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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Since I'm posting about AJPW... The big matches for the 5/25 Korakuen show are out -. Shuji Ishikawa & Ryouji Sai vs. Naoya Nomura & Hikaru Sato -. Kengo Mashimo vs. Jake Lee -. Axe Bombers vs. AJ Rangers: Takao Omori, Isami Kodaka , Yuko Miyamoto & Kazuhiro Tamura vs. AJ Ranger White, AJ Ranger Red, AJ Ranger Blue & AJ Ranger Green -. Special Singles Match: Zeus vs. Yuji Okabayashi -. Triple Crown: Kento Miyahara (c) vs. Daisuke Sekimoto will Jun Akiyama dressing up as a Power Ranger be enough to do their first Korakuen sellout in forever?
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Spermgod posted:Since I'm posting about AJPW... I hope the BJW faithfuls come in full force to make the show a success. The Japanese fans have a soccer team mentality, where they go to support their own guys in other promotions shows. Some memorable shows include NJPW vs Z-1 Korakuen show from 2010 where there was a huge NJ contigent having chant battles with Z1 guys and Akiyama's 2011 Champion Carnival run where NOAH faithful came out in full force to support his conquest.
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Spermgod posted:
so this has me wondering. AJPW/Big Japan have been paired up for a while now and W-1's CEO is DDT's Sanshiro Takagi. Are we starting to see some four-way alignment or is this more Mutoh being okay with Jun Akayama since the guy who bought him out of AJPW is gone?
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I hope DDT stays distinct but if they just made wrestle-1 and big japan brands under the all japan umbrella then that would be good i think
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NotQuiteQuentin posted:so this has me wondering. AJPW/Big Japan have been paired up for a while now and W-1's CEO is DDT's Sanshiro Takagi. Are we starting to see some four-way alignment or is this more Mutoh being okay with Jun Akayama since the guy who bought him out of AJPW is gone? I don't think it's anything more than a mutually beneficial deal, probably because Akiyama needs something for Sumo Hall in November. And we're probably going even further down the road of 'every non-Bushiroad heavyweight promotion uses the same talent'.
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BAHU did a big bio/obit for Hayabusa http://fmwwrestling.us/Hayabusa.html
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El Gallinero Gros posted:BAHU did a big bio/obit for Hayabusa http://fmwwrestling.us/Hayabusa.html drat his death was morbid
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I would expect nothing less from BAHU. Thanks for the link.
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