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ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:

Establish the Buns

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:

Typhus733 posted:

Easily beatable, you just reflector mage their reflector mages.

New format-Reflection

40 Card Deck:

36 Reflector Mages
4 CoCo

Starting hand size of 1.

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Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Chill la Chill posted:

So what you're saying is we need to make Magical Payday Loans a thing. :getin:

Say you? So now we are to decide who deserves what? Like I said before the guy might have done everything right like taken care of all his bills and families need but then just needed a little extra to make it to the gp... The point here is if people wanna donate they will, but just because you feel the need to decide what other people deserve in life doesn't mean that you should ban people for asking for help when they need it...

From a facebook thread

jassi007
Aug 9, 2006

mmmmm.. burger...

Sickening posted:

Say you? So now we are to decide who deserves what? Like I said before the guy might have done everything right like taken care of all his bills and families need but then just needed a little extra to make it to the gp... The point here is if people wanna donate they will, but just because you feel the need to decide what other people deserve in life doesn't mean that you should ban people for asking for help when they need it...

From a facebook thread

wowwy wow wow. "need it" I'd love to see a followup detailing how going to a GP is a need. What group is this? I'm in the mood to troll.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Sickening posted:

Say you? So now we are to decide who deserves what? Like I said before the guy might have done everything right like taken care of all his bills and families need but then just needed a little extra to make it to the gp... The point here is if people wanna donate they will, but just because you feel the need to decide what other people deserve in life doesn't mean that you should ban people for asking for help when they need it...

From a facebook thread

Oh, forgive me. What we really need is an International Magically Fund.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


Why does anyone actually care about people asking for money to go to GPs? It's dumb to ask but what does it matter

Judd Stackington
Oct 27, 2015
Are there any particularly fun/interesting/nuanced Duel Decks/Clash Packs to pick up for a semi-beginner and a total beginner?

I already have Blessed vs Cursed and was looking at Zendikar vs Eldrazi. I'm lusting after the Duel Decks Anthology but it's a fat purchase. Doesn't matter if the cards inside are trash for Modern/Standard, it isn't a value purchase and these decks will not make it to an FNM. They're just for us.

jassi007
Aug 9, 2006

mmmmm.. burger...

rabidsquid posted:

Why does anyone actually care about people asking for money to go to GPs? It's dumb to ask but what does it matter

Its funny to see people begging for money to pay for a hobby. I think "care" isn't the right word. I think its generally accepted that luxuries like hobbies etc. is what you do with your money after you pay for the stuff you need. If you don't have any left over money, then you don't get to have hobbies that cost money. That is how most people do it when budgeting etc. right? Seeing people begging for fun money like their 12 asking mom and dad for $10 more bux but they're adults is pretty funny to me. Also we're talking about scale too. Magic is a way more expensive $$ than having a netflix subscription etc. I'm not trying to make an arguement that poor people don't deserve fun, but Magic at GP level is played by people who generally have income to fund their hobby, which is why it costs what it does. If the only people who played magic were high school kids then 'goyf wouldn't cost $180. Its like yachting is a very rich person hobby. Should I start a gofundme to buy a yacht if I'm lower middle class but really like boats? That's crazy and so is begging for money to play Magic if you can't afford it.

jassi007 fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Apr 18, 2016

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


Yeah, gently caress poor people

black potus
Jul 13, 2006
A homeless guy asked me for change to buy singles. I said no, get a job you bum. You know he's just gonna use the money to buy packs.

black potus
Jul 13, 2006
Imagine if instead of foiling out their decks people just gave that money to other magic players who couldn't afford cards or GPs. What a world we'd live in...

MiddleEastBeast
Jan 19, 2003

Forum Bully

rabidsquid posted:

Yeah, gently caress poor people

uh, yeah guy

jassi007
Aug 9, 2006

mmmmm.. burger...

rabidsquid posted:

Yeah, gently caress poor people

I was thinking more gently caress entitled people, but if you hate the poor that's your thing. Just because things exist doesn't give anyone a right to have them.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

rabidsquid posted:

Yeah, gently caress poor people

If you are poor its probably better for you to not have expensive hobbies. Better yet, if you really must have an expensive hobby its best not to try to do the most expensive things of this expensive hobby, like travel to expensive GPs. I mean lets not be reasonable here.

jassi007
Aug 9, 2006

mmmmm.. burger...

black potus posted:

Imagine if instead of foiling out their decks people just gave that money to other magic players who couldn't afford cards or GPs. What a world we'd live in...

I am the 1% (of magic players)

Alaan
May 24, 2005

Izzet vs Golgari is probably the most technical, mainly the Golgari.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


Sure, but "if you don't have money after bills you don't get to have a hobby" is what that dude said pre-edit

Errant Gin Monks
Oct 2, 2009

"Yeah..."
- Marshawn Lynch
:hawksin:

rabidsquid posted:

Yeah, gently caress poor people

I'm not sure if that's what he was going for.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


Probably nobody should be a grinder even if they have money, tbh.

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006

"Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.


So I'm testing this out for the PT. Feedback?

4 Reflector Mage
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Eerie Interlude
4 Essence Flux
4 Battlefield Forge
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Crumbling Vestige
4 Evolving Wilds
1 Wastes
27 Plains

Should I splash for Altered Ego maybe?

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

rabidsquid posted:

Probably nobody should be a grinder even if they have money, tbh.

Agreed.

Everyone should also mock people who ask other people to fund their vacations and hobbies.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

If you're poor like me, play Pauper like me.

Everyone should play Pauper.

I am the Pauper Evangelist.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


Pauper is legitimately my favorite format because it supports game play style that wotc never will again but also isn't likely to end up degenerate and banned. Mostly on board tricks, but also a lot of fun old spells and low power value creatures.

jassi007
Aug 9, 2006

mmmmm.. burger...

rabidsquid posted:

Probably nobody should be a grinder even if they have money, tbh.

Agree. Last year I was at a place in life that I felt I could afford to try out the magic GP thing. I've been playing on and off since I was a kid in the 90's. I did a couple big events, it was interesting and all but I'm not good enough to make it worth my while. I'm an FNM warrior who likes big fancy decks. Even if I had all the free time in the world and no responsibilities aside from work it probably wouldn't be worth my while. If you couple the costs of going to big events like GP's with the odds that you get more out of it than a fun weekend away with your buds, then it is just really something that cash strapped people shouldn't do unless they're crazy pro level good and just need to get to the events to break out, and the truth is almost nobody meets that actual definition.

jassi007
Aug 9, 2006

mmmmm.. burger...

rabidsquid posted:

Pauper is legitimately my favorite format because it supports game play style that wotc never will again but also isn't likely to end up degenerate and banned. Mostly on board tricks, but also a lot of fun old spells and low power value creatures.

Agree. I'd play pauper over modern if the interest was high in my shop. I need to aquire more pauper decks to just provide a field so we can do actual pauper events.

black potus
Jul 13, 2006
I'm a grown man and it's very important that I "own" people on the internet, because they want to play a game.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
Some people have no shame.

jassi007
Aug 9, 2006

mmmmm.. burger...

black potus posted:

I'm a grown man and it's very important that I "own" people on the internet, because they want to play a game.

Bro can you spare $50 for GP Charlotte? Grinderlyfe.

Fingers McLongDong
Nov 30, 2005

not eromenos
Fun Shoe

jassi007 posted:

Agree. Last year I was at a place in life that I felt I could afford to try out the magic GP thing. I've been playing on and off since I was a kid in the 90's. I did a couple big events, it was interesting and all but I'm not good enough to make it worth my while. I'm an FNM warrior who likes big fancy decks. Even if I had all the free time in the world and no responsibilities aside from work it probably wouldn't be worth my while. If you couple the costs of going to big events like GP's with the odds that you get more out of it than a fun weekend away with your buds, then it is just really something that cash strapped people shouldn't do unless they're crazy pro level good and just need to get to the events to break out, and the truth is almost nobody meets that actual definition.

GP's/Opens are fun to me partially because I go with some good friends that I have fun with even when magic isn't involved. We play all day and support each other, do side events together, and hit up bars or whatever after it's over. I've had a blast the past few times we've taken a weekend trip to go to an Open, but we're all also late-20's to early-30's guys who have decent jobs and don't have to crash on couches. I genuinely don't understand how people can derive much pleasure from grinding events, but to each their own.

And yes, you should make about 4 pauper decks to intice people into playing locally. When we had pauper league a few months ago at the local store we had something like 30 people sign up, some with borrowed decks and everyone loved it. I provide extra decks for pauper and also for modern night each week to support the local game nights and everyone seems to appreciate it.

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



black potus posted:

Imagine if instead of foiling out their decks people just gave that money to other magic players who couldn't afford cards or GPs. What a world we'd live in...



nah

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Those ugly FTV Groves don't count.

black potus
Jul 13, 2006
At least you didn't write a small essay about how people are entitled for wanting to go to GPs, I'd never go to a GP I'm not about that life, if you're poor you should not want to do anything that costs money and definitely not ask for help.

The downside though is you whipped out your tiny lands dick to show off your prince albert :[

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



mcmagic posted:

Those ugly FTV Groves don't count.

Just laughing IRL if you think the FUT groves are the correct choice

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Skyl3lazer posted:

Just laughing IRL if you think the FUT groves are the correct choice

The correct choice is the FUT Foils but I did trade my playset of FTVs for non foil FUTs and I feel pretty good about it...

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



mcmagic posted:

The correct choice is the FUT Foils but I did trade my playset of FTVs for non foil FUTs and I feel pretty good about it...

Man people always say you have bad opinions but to see it so clearly in person...

jassi007
Aug 9, 2006

mmmmm.. burger...

black potus posted:

At least you didn't write a small essay about how people are entitled for wanting to go to GPs, I'd never go to a GP I'm not about that life, if you're poor you should not want to do anything that costs money and definitely not ask for help.

The downside though is you whipped out your tiny lands dick to show off your prince albert :[

So you really don't have any problem with someone asking for a handout to afford luxury stuff they can't afford by themselves? That is really odd to me man. I guess some people are perfectly ok with begging or borrowing outside of actual necessity? And I'm not talking about spot me $10 for lunch today I'll pay you tomorrow I forgot to hit the ATM. I'm talking "please give me $100+ dollars to go play magic cards and also buy or lend me cards" Seems kind of excessive. I've never heard of casual hobby begging before today, but I guess it is a totally ok thing to do. Live and learn right?

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Skyl3lazer posted:

Man people always say you have bad opinions but to see it so clearly in person...

I don't understand how can defend FTV foils. They are so frigging ugly and thats before you even get to how they warp so easily even if you double sleeve them...

jassi007 posted:

So you really don't have any problem with someone asking for a handout to afford luxury stuff they can't afford by themselves? That is really odd to me man. I guess some people are perfectly ok with begging or borrowing outside of actual necessity? And I'm not talking about spot me $10 for lunch today I'll pay you tomorrow I forgot to hit the ATM. I'm talking "please give me $100+ dollars to go play magic cards and also buy or lend me cards" Seems kind of excessive. I've never heard of casual hobby begging before today, but I guess it is a totally ok thing to do. Live and learn right?

I'm the liberalist bleeding heart alive and I don't want to live in a world where that is a totally OK thing to do. It's embarrassing.

mcmagic fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Apr 18, 2016

Jenx
Oct 17, 2012

Behold the Bull of Heaven!
Hey guys, I don't like my country, and would love to move to Berlin. How about all of you pay for my trip, the cost of moving all of my stuff and also pay for me buying a nice apartment.

I deserve it, don't I?

Seriously, though what the gently caress - nobody "needs" to go to a GP. If you don't have enough cash to play high level magic you do what the rest of us scrubs do - you make due with what you have and bitch about card price spikes.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


jassi007 posted:

So you really don't have any problem with someone asking for a handout to afford luxury stuff they can't afford by themselves? That is really odd to me man. I guess some people are perfectly ok with begging or borrowing outside of actual necessity? And I'm not talking about spot me $10 for lunch today I'll pay you tomorrow I forgot to hit the ATM. I'm talking "please give me $100+ dollars to go play magic cards and also buy or lend me cards" Seems kind of excessive. I've never heard of casual hobby begging before today, but I guess it is a totally ok thing to do. Live and learn right?

You're using really loaded language. "Handout?" For craps sakes. Come on. Knock it off!!

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


Jenx posted:

Hey guys, I don't like my country, and would love to move to Berlin. How about all of you pay for my trip, the cost of moving all of my stuff and also pay for me buying a nice apartment.

I deserve it, don't I?

Seriously, though what the gently caress - nobody "needs" to go to a GP. If you don't have enough cash to play high level magic you do what the rest of us scrubs do - you make due with what you have and bitch about card price spikes.

This is a stupid comparison, but lets delve deeper into why this bothers you so much.

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black potus
Jul 13, 2006

jassi007 posted:

So you really don't have any problem with someone asking for a handout to afford luxury stuff they can't afford by themselves? That is really odd to me man. I guess some people are perfectly ok with begging or borrowing outside of actual necessity? And I'm not talking about spot me $10 for lunch today I'll pay you tomorrow I forgot to hit the ATM. I'm talking "please give me $100+ dollars to go play magic cards and also buy or lend me cards" Seems kind of excessive. I've never heard of casual hobby begging before today, but I guess it is a totally ok thing to do. Live and learn right?

You're not obligated to pay for other people's hobbies but people wanting to play magic when they don't have cash is not some great sin. I'm not going to begrudge someone asking. Especially to borrow cards wtf, I borrowed cards to go to GP Detroit despite not only not needing to go but also having money to buy the cards. If someone I know wants to borrow cards I care about 0% whether they need to.

It's definitely hosed up to want to make fun of or troll someone for not having enough money to do something they enjoy at the very least. Especially when most people in this thread have spent way more than they need to on this hobby and could help other people out without changing their budget at all if they wanted to.

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