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I hope they don't change Yorick's ult. It's... good.
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Apr 18, 2016 15:48
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here's my meme: tfw you flame horizon your mid opponent as mid sion  tfw you lose anyway because you are mid sion 
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Apr 18, 2016 15:50
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farm advantage is not what you should be looking for as mid sion. once you hit six you should be running bot on cooldown to make life hell for the rest of the enemy team
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Apr 18, 2016 16:14
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Anyone got any Fizz tips?
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Apr 18, 2016 16:30
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Anyone got any Fizz tips? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46TFyH0EovQ I have no real tips
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Apr 18, 2016 16:31
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DolphinCop posted:farm advantage is not what you should be looking for as mid sion. once you hit six you should be running bot on cooldown to make life hell for the rest of the enemy team Actually I think what you should be looking for as mid sion is to not be playing mid sion
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Apr 18, 2016 16:54
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I LOVE YORICK!! also does anyone feel that Muramana is kinda poo poo
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Apr 18, 2016 17:01
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Sion mid actually seems like it would do okay vs most melee assassins
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Apr 18, 2016 17:07
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Crystal Geometry posted:Sion mid actually seems like it would do okay vs most melee assassins Tired Moritz posted:I LOVE YORICK!!  
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Apr 18, 2016 17:19
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Rushing ZZ'rot as Sion mid is a thing and it seems to be pretty okay. You just put a portal right behind your turret as soon as you get it then roam all over the map while your opponents are unable to take down your turret in the early game and because they can't get the portal.
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Apr 18, 2016 17:21
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Anyone got any Fizz tips? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Lc1Z2nZck here you go man
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Apr 18, 2016 17:25
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Sexpansion posted:Rushing ZZ'rot as Sion mid is a thing and it seems to be pretty okay. You just put a portal right behind your turret as soon as you get it then roam all over the map while your opponents are unable to take down your turret in the early game and because they can't get the portal. Does sions W passive work with zzrot? As in, do minions killed by the voidlings give him bonus hp? Seems like a solid work around to the time you'd be spending outside of lane
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Apr 18, 2016 17:29
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That's a really good question I am curious about now. I am even more curious what the intended relationship is between Sion W and Zz'rot portal kills, because how it actually works might not be the same as how it's supposed to be.
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Apr 18, 2016 17:34
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Killed By Death posted:Sion mid is very very good at not dying vs basically any mid laner. I will sometimes bust him out vs LeBlanc if I don't feel like dealing with her bullshit. This is the best, I gotta make a rune page this complicated now. I also made a 6.7 Tier List after another long break. I've had a lot of poo poo going on lately and haven't really cranked out an article in awhile: http://pryorability.blogspot.com/2016/04/league-of-legends-tier-list-patch-67.html
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Apr 18, 2016 17:35
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riot rune system is hosed. who even uses mana regen runes
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Apr 18, 2016 17:36
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Tired Moritz posted:riot rune system is hosed. who even uses mana regen runes This is one thing that I really don't like about this game. From what I can tell there's one optimized set of runes/masteries for each champ which defeats the purpose of it.
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Apr 18, 2016 17:38
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I usually run 3 flat mp regen runes on caster ADCs. I used to run scaling but went back to flat with the removal of mana potions. You really don't need 9 mr blues and not every adc is worth running attack speed blues on and mana regen is actually pretty good for them
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Apr 18, 2016 17:38
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I'm bad but after mana potions got axed, I tossed 3 MP5 blues onto a page for the more spammy supports like nami and sona. It's probably not necessary but it feels nice to have a little bit more breathing room RE: mana usage
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Apr 18, 2016 17:50
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I think that it's pretty much always okay to only run 6 MR blues in bot lane even on a support, and three mana regen runes seems pretty legit to me. It's what I run on my support page. I can't even think of a third viable blue rune for supports other than MR, MP/5, and AP.
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Apr 18, 2016 17:55
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rabidsquid posted:I think that it's pretty much always okay to only run 6 MR blues in bot lane even on a support, and three mana regen runes seems pretty legit to me. It's what I run on my support page. I can't even think of a third viable blue rune for supports other than MR, MP/5, and AP. CDR if you don't exactly hit the cap off your item build
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Apr 18, 2016 18:06
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Crystal Geometry posted:CDR if you don't exactly hit the cap off your item build Since they made all the CDR items 10 or 20% now it's basically impossible not to round out evenly at the cap sans runs. I used to run CDR runes on almost every support last season and don't run them on anyone this season. I basically run AP on mage supports and MR on defense/engage/tank supports.
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Apr 18, 2016 18:08
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Tired Moritz posted:riot rune system is hosed. who even uses mana regen runes I run 3 regen blues on most relic shield supports like Ali/Braum
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Apr 18, 2016 18:09
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Crystal Geometry posted:CDR if you don't exactly hit the cap off your item build I believe 3 scaling and 6 flat cdr blues give you 10% cdr at level 18. I made a page with it for fizz/karthus jungle, but I've actually been running it on the grasp meta off-tank tops lately (fizz, Diana, karma, etc). Since you are getting iceborne and probably a visage for your mr item it guarantees your 40% cdr
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Apr 18, 2016 18:11
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yeah running 10% is pretty standard, 20% is good on some champs that dont buy another cdr item like kayle/vlad so you can skip getting cdr boots
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Apr 18, 2016 18:13
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Well yeah CDR blues are viable on champs, but we were talking about supports. Unless you're talking about Vlad support, I really hope you aren't.
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Apr 18, 2016 18:15
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Libertine posted:This is the best, I gotta make a rune page this complicated now. Very nice, thanks.
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Apr 18, 2016 18:24
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SOON TARIC, SOON. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y91qo99osLI
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Apr 18, 2016 19:19
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Libertine posted:This is the best, I gotta make a rune page this complicated now. I haven't played in a year and I'm just getting back into it so this is awesome timing. I used to follow your rankings regularly since there's a surprising lack of (good) lol analysis out there.
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Apr 18, 2016 19:27
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Kashuno posted:SOON TARIC, SOON. Some of these Phreak puns ruby me the wrong way.
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Apr 18, 2016 19:30
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3/10
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Apr 18, 2016 19:31
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Libertine posted:Since they made all the CDR items 10 or 20% now it's basically impossible not to round out evenly at the cap sans runs. I used to run CDR runes on almost every support last season and don't run them on anyone this season. I basically run AP on mage supports and MR on defense/engage/tank supports. Hence the if statement. There are some edge cases as a support where you don't want to build 40% cdr. You can also think about it in terms of power spikes; runes let you cap cdr faster than just items.
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Apr 18, 2016 19:48
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Mierenneuker posted:Some of these Phreak puns ruby me the wrong way. yeah but there were a few diamonds in the rough
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Apr 18, 2016 19:51
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Crystal Geometry posted:Hence the if statement. There are some edge cases as a support where you don't want to build 40% cdr. You can also think about it in terms of power spikes; runes let you cap cdr faster than just items. The only support I don't want to max CDR on every game is Kennen and that's because he's capped by his energy and doesn't really benefit from maxing it out. Every other support's entire power is tied to the up-time of their abilities. If you aren't making it a goal to max CDR every game with your item builds you are doing something wrong.
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Apr 18, 2016 19:58
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Libertine posted:The only support I don't want to max CDR on every game is Kennen and that's because he's capped by his energy and doesn't really benefit from maxing it out. I agree but if I'm against an all AD team I'm running CDR runes to max CDR with 2 items and then stacking armor, not running mana regen or whatever. The point is that CDR runes can be really good in a lot of situations, not that CDR is bad on supports lol. edit: for clarity I meant build as in buy with gold in-game, not just not have CDR with is bad and dumb
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Apr 18, 2016 20:01
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I'd like to take this moment to say that rageblade is stupid and I hope it gets nerfed.
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Apr 18, 2016 20:02
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I run 10% so that I can cap out on heavy AP supports, a la Brand/Zyra/Vel'koz, but otherwise it does end up being excessive. On those champs I'd generally rather build more AP than the last 10% of cdr, although even in those edge cases straight AP is definitely reasonable. Sometimes on Morg I'll go CDR runes if I think that I'm going to rush Zhonyas, but if the game goes past the FQC/Locket/Zhonyas core it gets awkward.
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Apr 18, 2016 20:07
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RIP ZEEZ
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foutre posted:I run 10% so that I can cap out on heavy AP supports, a la Brand/Zyra/Vel'koz, but otherwise it does end up being excessive. On those champs I'd generally rather build more AP than the last 10% of cdr, although even in those edge cases straight AP is definitely reasonable. Sometimes on Morg I'll go CDR runes if I think that I'm going to rush Zhonyas, but if the game goes past the FQC/Locket/Zhonyas core it gets awkward. It seems like it would be easy to do the math to try and determine whether or not 10% CDR from runes or AP from runes is more gold efficient.
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Apr 18, 2016 20:10
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Different champions scale differently off of different stats though, so even if you were to get more gold-value in AP it could still be better to run CDR runes (if you were playing, say, most of the tank supports).
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Apr 18, 2016 20:14
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rabidsquid posted:It seems like it would be easy to do the math to try and determine whether or not 10% CDR from runes or AP from runes is more gold efficient. Flat CDR is slightly more gold efficient than AP, and scaling cdr is definitely more gold efficient than flat AP (at least as of season 5, maybe it's changed since then). As mentioned above, that different champs scale better off different stats (although imo 40% cdr is probably optimal for almost all supports atm) which can make things trickier. Scaling AP blues are actually some of the most gold efficient post 6 in the game, and it looks like some pros are switching to that on AP supports, but I haven't tried it out yet. The problem is more that a lot of the good defensive itemization for AP supports is tied to items with CDR, so sometimes it makes sense to sacrifice a small amount of gold efficiency in runes in order to allow for those build paths.
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