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It's mildly disturbing how this reflects current policy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeDS77SGhA Aaarrhghghe bastard page snipe let me figure out some history 1986, the first book of the Redwall series is published, as is the second book of the Discworld series. Pretty good year for books apparently. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Apr 18, 2016 |
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Fans posted:They'd get slaughtered if they needed a second referendum to win it. Though we wouldn't be able to notice over the sounds of the Scottish going "Excuse me? We're allowed a redo now?" Ireland had two goes at that Lisbon Treaty ratification. Does anyone care these days? I'm guessing probably not, and most of those that do are probably on the far fringes of the mainstream. I could be wrong though.
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Phoon posted:e: ^^ jess isnt really blair affiliated though shes just a standard careerist Is she the one who was all "any organisation I join, I aim for the top spot, because naked lust for power is my fetish and what other reason for doing anything is there #yolo #voldemortdidnothingwrong"?
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Pork Pie Hat posted:Ireland had two goes at that Lisbon Treaty ratification. Does anyone care these days? I'm guessing probably not, and most of those that do are probably on the far fringes of the mainstream. I could be wrong though.
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Guavanaut posted:It does seem to go against the general idea of a referendum. Then again so does setting a £7m spending cap for each side and then spending £9m of public funds on promoting one over the other. They might as well just lose a bunch of votes for the side they don't like. I agree, but when you don't make then legally binding in the first place they're pretty much just a waste of everyone's time and money.
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Pork Pie Hat posted:Ireland had two goes at that Lisbon Treaty ratification. Does anyone care these days? I'm guessing probably not, and most of those that do are probably on the far fringes of the mainstream. I could be wrong though. If Leave wins on a small turnout (and I really don't know how you can estimate turnout on this, but I'm guessing it will be below 50% based on the infallible thinktank "What I've heard down the pub") I think you can expect Cameron to say "Well we can't possibly make decisions so profound based on such a small percentage of the voting public", and somehow his head will fail to explode through the sheer irony of such a statement. However I can certainly see him being toppled by his own party in pretty short order if Leave wins and we don't start up the cattle trucks to chuck them forrins out within hours. Yes I know that's not what would ever happen in the event of an exit but an awful lot of Leave voters certainly don't seem to have grasped it.
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Pork Pie Hat posted:I agree, but when you don't make then legally binding in the first place they're pretty much just a waste of everyone's time and money. You can't actually make a referendum legally-binding in the UK because our laws don't work that way. Well technically you can of course, but convention is that making legislation is entirely for Parliament, not for us horrible rabble.
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winegums posted:Notably you've said very little about group 3, because they don't exist. The Tories have utterly failed to make a positive case for the EU. Perhaps because the benefits they see and the things they want differ so much from the wants and needs of the average human. I love the EU
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It's all kicking off on the Council of Europe: https://twitter.com/camusson/status/722157030283337733
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What? Weird tribalism combined with opportunism isn't in the spirit of socialism? My world view is shattered. This time, I thought, this time the nationalists will be the good guys.
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Apr 19, 2016 00:22
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TinTower posted:It's all kicking off on the Council of Europe: Well they pretty much are just nationalists acting as socialists because its the best way to achieve their ends, though Labour cant really talk.
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No one said they can't be hypocritical while pointing out the utter lies of their opposition. In fact that's all British politics is.
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Oh I'm not saying they can't be hypocrites, I'm just saying they are but so are Labour as a whole. The left will never be able to go long without descending into tribalism will it.
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Pistol_Pete posted:If the print version stories (mainly stupid bullshit written to scare and anger old people) were reproduced on the website version, they'd lose their audience pretty fast. They are
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TinTower posted:It's all kicking off on the Council of Europe:
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FinalGamer posted:What the hell is the Council of Europe, is that like the Republican HQ in Montgomery Burns' mansion? Pretty much the opposite. It's the organisation responsible for European human rights law that terrible people like Michael Gove want us out of.
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StoneOfShame posted:Well they pretty much are just nationalists acting as socialists because its the best way to achieve their ends, though Labour cant really talk. For those interested in the membership of the Socialist Group, Wikipedia comes good. One of the members is A Just Russia, a centre-left Russian party which was founded by the merger of a bunch of parties, including Rodina. Duma deputies of Rodina signed a petition in 2005 demanding the banning of Jewish organisations in the Russian Federation. Another member are the Polish Twój Ruch party who seem to be closer to the Orange Book wing of the Liberal Democrats than anything socialist. But sure, the SNP are the ones to get punted. Does it actually mean much? Most people don't even know that the Socialist Group in the Council of Europe exists. Do they get funding from it? Can't imagine them losing much sleep no longer being in a club with such exclusive members as PASOK & PSOE. It's such a non-event. Yeah, the SNP aren't socialists but I'm not sure much of that group is except in the most generous use of the term, one which would inevitably include the SNP. Being nationalist doesn't actually preclude you from being socialist, a fair chunk of the Labour Party are nationalist, French Socialist party are nationalist, I'm not sure there's many parties out there with a shot of governing in 2015 who aren't nationalist.
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I feel like the Unified European Left Group is the cool one, seeing as it's headed by a man called Tiny Kox Also 
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Well after seeing the Daily Express scream at me for having "TOO MANY MIGRANTS" which is a lovely way of phrasing it to sound like they're fleas or vermin, I think I'd rather stay in the EU just to piss the gently caress off out of all the racists.
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Apparently Salmond and Ahmed-Sheik are still in the council, just listed as non-party members instead of SNP members. Still petty is gently caress from Labour, probably George Foulkes throwing another temper tantrum.
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Am i dreaming?
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FinalGamer posted:Well after seeing the Daily Express scream at me for having "TOO MANY MIGRANTS" which is a lovely way of phrasing it to sound like they're fleas or vermin, I think I'd rather stay in the EU just to piss the gently caress off out of all the racists. Popular quote going around at the moment - there are some cunts on the Stay side, but trouble is there's no non-cunts on the Leave side
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EvilGenius posted:Popular quote going around at the moment - there are some cunts on the Stay side, but trouble is there's no non-cunts on the Leave side loving hell this sums up the awful state of british politics right now, gently caress the issues, it's gendered insults all the way down and frankly this oval office debate sounds like an argument from the scotch independence vote 'youse are cunts' 'naw all of youse are cunts'
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JFairfax posted:scotch um
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My scotch voted to be independent of the bottle and I obliged.
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JFairfax posted:loving hell this sums up the awful state of british politics right now, gently caress the issues, it's gendered insults all the way down and frankly this oval office debate sounds like an argument from the scotch independence vote Clearly gendered insults are the problem with British politics, not the 99% oval office rate or the papists.
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Since when was "oval office" a gendered insult and not, as I thought, a term of endearment?
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TomViolence posted:Since when was "oval office" a gendered insult and not, as I thought, a term of endearment? Not everyone in the thread is from Glasgow. Which is regrettable, as we'd all get along then.
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like 90% of the worlds problems americans are to blame I was moderately in favour of staying in the eu till approx 25 past 8 this morning when i upgraded to virulently in favour thanks to Michael goves arguments in favour of leaving centering around immigration, the balkans potentially joining the eu and the European court of justice infringing the governments right to infringe our rights also we will deffo have full access to the single market with no barriers and no regulations because the French and Germans are cheese eating surrender monkeys or something
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Oberleutnant posted:Am i dreaming?
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JFairfax posted:loving hell this sums up the awful state of british politics right now, gently caress the issues, it's gendered insults all the way down The way I see it is it's objectively either more beneficial to the average Joe to stay or it isn't. All debate is bollocks. TomViolence posted:Since when was "oval office" a gendered insult and not, as I thought, a term of endearment? TBH, when was the last time you heard someone refer to a vagina as a 'oval office'?
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EvilGenius posted:The way I see it is it's objectively either more beneficial to the average Joe to stay or it isn't. All debate is bollocks. Yer woi can't them lot stop arguing, get their 'eads together and sort our country aht, guys, it ain't rocket science!
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If we stop with oval office do we also have to give up Dickhead? Because that one is too good to lose sorry. I want a UKMT approved list of insults. I'll add in "Pig Fucker" to get the ball ham rolling.
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winegums posted:Notably you've said very little about group 3, because they don't exist. The Tories have utterly failed to make a positive case for the EU. Perhaps because the benefits they see and the things they want differ so much from the wants and needs of the average human. They do exist, there are just only a few of them. My brother, who spends more than half his time out in Spain is one of them- I asked him about his fears of brexit and he just kinda went  and said "well, another year or so and I can apply for spanish citizenship". But yeah, the tory campaign to remain, and the remain campaign altogether has been utter, utter shite, and I'm really starting to think an exit vote would happen. Whether that would be allowed to happen remains to be seen but a refusal could see some widespread disorder and the accelerationist part of me is all  over that prospect. The rest of me is suddenly tempted to see if my brother getting Spanish citizenship would help me move there  Fans posted:I want a UKMT approved list of insults. I'll add in "Pig Fucker" to get the ball ham rolling. Trot. Tory. Pissflaps lover. Someone who puts milk in before the hot water.
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EvilGenius posted:The way I see it is it's objectively either more beneficial to the average Joe to stay or it isn't. All debate is bollocks. Dabir posted:Yer woi can't them lot stop arguing, get their 'eads together and sort our country aht, guys, it ain't rocket science!
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TomViolence posted:Since when was "oval office" a gendered insult and not, as I thought, a term of endearment? Americans culturally appropriating our language.
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DesperateDan posted:Trot. Liberal. (The deadliest insult)
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DesperateDan posted:Pissflaps lover. I'm very lovable.
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DesperateDan posted:Trot. Liberal. Roast Beef Monster Munch Guzzler. Stephen Fry.
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feedmegin posted:Liberal.
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