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Tuxedo Jack
Sep 11, 2001

Hey Ma, who's that band I like? Oh yeah, Hall & Oates.

Uroboros posted:

150 is rather impressive for your locale. Considering there was only about 180 in the GT at Adepticon which is in Chicago and the biggest US 40k event from what I understand.

Maybe I'm overestimating. We had 58 40k players, 10 staff, the local sponsors and their friends/customers, 15 for bloodbowl, 20ish for X-Wing, a handful just for the painting awards, 15ish for Warmahordes and the specialist games (a spectacular failure) overall, and then we had probably 10-15 passerby and wives and girlfriends.

So by "attendees" maybe we had closer to 100, but we had a lot of people through that room over the three days.

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TheArmorOfContempt
Nov 29, 2012

Did I ever tell you my favorite color was blue?
I just find it impressive cause it's Kansas, here in Illinois we are a good bit smaller than Wichita but we have lots of smaller cities within an hour or two and are lucky to get a dozen folk at a local Tourny.

MrSlam
Apr 25, 2014

And there you sat, eating hamburgers while the world cried.
Is it implied that every skull in the background of WH40K that's part of a machine houses at least a partially functioning brain? Are they cloned brains? I noticed there's a skull on every door in Space Marine. Is it just decoration or does a janitor have to go from section to section to fill up the brain-nutrient-sluice-jar for each door every other week?

Do citizens donate their skulls to the Imperium upon death? Do they just have skulls lying around in a warehouse somewhere? Do they have a monthly inspection where they see which skulls have been chipped and broken and need to be replaced?

These are important questions.

Tuxedo Jack
Sep 11, 2001

Hey Ma, who's that band I like? Oh yeah, Hall & Oates.
Here is an enormous album of pictures from the event. Our Tournament Organizer, Troy, did a tremendous job of putting things together. We actually turned a small profit from the event.

http://imgur.com/a/WjAvi

It's already been decided that we'll be doing another GT next year, and we're going to do a large Apoc game in late July, OZpocalypse. I'll keep you guys posted, if you're interested.

PierreTheMime
Dec 9, 2004

Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!
Buglord

Naramyth posted:

I brought home some hardware from Flying Monkey.



My loss to the harlie guy was changed to a draw after he DQ'd himself. There were some cheating allegations (rerolling the pirate captain's 2+ invul). He didn't do it to me but he never got a chance too). I played 3 of my clubmates on the way up. My pulls after the harlies were battle company, battle company, crons, crons/triptide, cron superfriends. I super dig my list and even the swing piece (the prince) was money every single game. My club also took best team (WARHOGS 4 LYFE), 3 spots in the top 9, and some paint/sports along with best demons, crons, space marines, and deldar. I met Tuxedo Jack who is a very cool dude who got to play my roommate game one and my roommate was very flattered to have you say he was the best game of the weekend, because he is super fun to play. The drive back was brutal (12 hours, and we left after awards at like 8:30pm) but this was super worth it.

A+ would come conquer again.

Great work! I'd be interested in what you had the hardest time with, gameplay-wise. It's always good to see Daemons fair well as they tend to be dismissed as "too random" for real competitive play outside a few specific builds.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

MrSlam posted:

Is it implied that every skull in the background of WH40K that's part of a machine houses at least a partially functioning brain? Are they cloned brains? I noticed there's a skull on every door in Space Marine. Is it just decoration or does a janitor have to go from section to section to fill up the brain-nutrient-sluice-jar for each door every other week?

Do citizens donate their skulls to the Imperium upon death? Do they just have skulls lying around in a warehouse somewhere? Do they have a monthly inspection where they see which skulls have been chipped and broken and need to be replaced?

These are important questions.

Nah most of the skulls are purely decorative because the Imperium really loving loves skulls. (See if the emperor had a text to speech device for a decent reasoning of why :cheeky:)

Machines do have partially functioning brains in them though, because true AI was outlawed during... the age of apostasy? The end of the golden age of technology? Somewhere back there. They had a Dune style robot war and then declared AI to be mostly illegal after that. That said, some ancient technology which the admech doesn't fully understand still uses some AI and gets away with it because the AdMech doesn't understand and and thus doesn't realize its AI. But after AI got outlawed they worked on technology to use dead people's brains to power advanced machines like rhinos or titans, and that's where your machine spirit comes from. (And why most machine spirits are a bit cranky and tempermental)

They do have monthly inspection for all kinds of holy admech rituals and oitments to put on the machinery itself, but they're not like injecting fresh brains into existing machinery all the time or anything like that.

Brewsuke
Jan 8, 2014
Well, they say that human lives are the most expendable resource the Imperium has, so they've got a lot of skulls lying around, no doubt.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

Zaphod42 posted:

Machines do have partially functioning brains in them though, because true AI was outlawed during... the age of apostasy?

Age of Strife. Martians decided to create AI. AI took over mars.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Brewsuke posted:

Well, they say that human lives are the most expendable resource the Imperium has, so they've got a lot of skulls lying around, no doubt.

According to the Horus Heresy novels, almost all the servo-skulls and whatnot used by Space Marines are the skulls of legion/chapter serfs who see it as a great honor and a form of immortality that lets them continue to serve the Imperium in death.

SRM
Jul 10, 2009

~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~
Skulls are the chief export of most parts of the Imperium, and the one natural resource you can depend on on any imperial world.

Day 1 of Warhammer World trip report:
It was loving awesome. The museum is absolutely increidble, and the dioramas and displays were even better than they'd been described. The one with the full Ultramarines chapter against Khorne daemons was seriously one of the coolest things I'd ever seen, and I wish it showed up better in photos.

As for gaming, I finagled my 40k Ultras into a 30k list, and was part of a stupidly huge game with Carl, Jason Mullins, Doug from Tablewar, and a bunch of other folks. My Whirlwind (counts as Scorpius) obliterated 20 Iron Warriors in one round of shooting, my assault marines sucked poo poo against an Emperor's Children tactical squad, and my Predator engaged in a duel with a Sicaran, which it won thanks to my quad mortar with shard shells or whatever they're called. We had to call it after 3 turns because we started late and Warhammer World closes early. I also picked up an Ultramarines shirt, Suzerian squad, some pins, the Warhammer World exclusive campaign book, and a Sicaran of my own.

Also Bugman's has pretty meh food, but the beer's alright. The Bugman's XXXXXXL is pretty good for British beer.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
Are the rules for Gerantius, the Knight special character still valid?

Phyresis
Nov 2, 2004

I can't sleep, I hope I stay awake

Cause I've been running, running, running all day

Long nights, no peace

I feel like everybody's eyes on me

Gapey Joe Stalin posted:

Are the rules for Gerantius, the Knight special character still valid?

Yes, but keep in mind that he is not a Lord of War so he can't fit into every Knight detachment.

e: From what I can tell there are only two ways to legally field him: in an Exalted Court or Baronial Court formation. Or Unbound, of course.

Phyresis fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Apr 19, 2016

Brewsuke
Jan 8, 2014

Cythereal posted:

According to the Horus Heresy novels, almost all the servo-skulls and whatnot used by Space Marines are the skulls of legion/chapter serfs who see it as a great honor and a form of immortality that lets them continue to serve the Imperium in death.

poo poo, what do they do with the Space Marine skulls, then?

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

Brewsuke posted:

poo poo, what do they do with the Space Marine skulls, then?

What do you think space marines eat?

TheArmorOfContempt
Nov 29, 2012

Did I ever tell you my favorite color was blue?

Star Man posted:

What do you think space marines eat?

Their own poop.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

Phyresis posted:

Yes, but keep in mind that he is not a Lord of War so he can't fit into every Knight detachment.

e: From what I can tell there are only two ways to legally field him: in an Exalted Court or Baronial Court formation. Or Unbound, of course.

Cheers. I'm going a bit Knight loco at the moment and I'm considering options.

Brewsuke
Jan 8, 2014

Uroboros posted:

Their own poop.

Well, they do defecate inside their own armor. I assume.

krushgroove
Oct 23, 2007

Disapproving look

SRM posted:

Skulls are the chief export of most parts of the Imperium, and the one natural resource you can depend on on any imperial world.

Day 1 of Warhammer World trip report:
It was loving awesome. The museum is absolutely increidble, and the dioramas and displays were even better than they'd been described. The one with the full Ultramarines chapter against Khorne daemons was seriously one of the coolest things I'd ever seen, and I wish it showed up better in photos.

As for gaming, I finagled my 40k Ultras into a 30k list, and was part of a stupidly huge game with Carl, Jason Mullins, Doug from Tablewar, and a bunch of other folks. My Whirlwind (counts as Scorpius) obliterated 20 Iron Warriors in one round of shooting, my assault marines sucked poo poo against an Emperor's Children tactical squad, and my Predator engaged in a duel with a Sicaran, which it won thanks to my quad mortar with shard shells or whatever they're called. We had to call it after 3 turns because we started late and Warhammer World closes early. I also picked up an Ultramarines shirt, Suzerian squad, some pins, the Warhammer World exclusive campaign book, and a Sicaran of my own.

Also Bugman's has pretty meh food, but the beer's alright. The Bugman's XXXXXXL is pretty good for British beer.

Sounds like a good WHW trip! Today, pick up a few more copies of the Blood Oath book, I always pick up a few when I'm there, it's easy extra money. I ship quite a few to the US.

Nichol
May 18, 2004

Sly Dog
Too many colours?

Frobbe
Jan 19, 2007

Calm Down

Nichol posted:

Too many colours?



There's just the right amount of color! it's really weird to see an ethereal that isn't blue though.

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
Maybe the green tassel is a bit too much. Different skin-tone works really well though.

Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte
love it. How nice is not single colour Tau! (really nice)

TheArmorOfContempt
Nov 29, 2012

Did I ever tell you my favorite color was blue?

Brewsuke posted:

Well, they do defecate inside their own armor. I assume.

Pretty sure it recycles their waste, incidentally I would expect there to be as little as possible. Their size and muscle mass would require a hyper efficient digestive track that can break down and process things normally outside the range of human consumption, it is the only way you could begin to justify the whole operating the field unsupplied for months or years.

Tuxedo Jack
Sep 11, 2001

Hey Ma, who's that band I like? Oh yeah, Hall & Oates.
http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/04/19/whither-the-future-of-40k-a-suggestion-for-an-alternate-format/

Abusepuppy proposes an "Oldhammer Format" for competitive play, since apparently the new Angels of Death supplement and 30th anniversary marine are his tipping point.

Frontline Gaming posted:

Introducing the Oldhammer 40K Format

Armies in Oldhammer 40K may only contain a single detachment, which may not be a formation. (“Unique” detachments, such as a Great Waaagh or Nemesis Strike Force are still allowed.)
Armies may not contain any superheavy vehicles or gargantuan creatures.
No unit’s invulnerable save can be improved beyond a 3+.
The presumed point value is 1750, although obviously any number is possible.
Oldhammer 40K uses all of the ITC’s rules alterations, FAQs, etc (though some of them will not be relevant to it.)

edit: The article is a good read, and arguably a very important viewpoint to understand.

Tuxedo Jack fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Apr 19, 2016

Post 9-11 User
Apr 14, 2010

Brewsuke posted:

Well, they do defecate inside their own armor. I assume.

Processed in the thigh pads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYhQWb9Ry1k

Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte

Tuxedo Jack posted:

http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/04/19/whither-the-future-of-40k-a-suggestion-for-an-alternate-format/

Abusepuppy proposes an "Oldhammer Format" for competitive play, since apparently the new Angels of Death supplement and 30th anniversary marine are his tipping point.


edit: The article is a good read, and arguably a very important viewpoint to understand.

I'm hoping future editions have the pendulum swing back the other way, no more unbound-allied lists and just back to each army doing its own thing. Lords of War in non Apocalypse games is still stupid.

PierreTheMime
Dec 9, 2004

Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!
Buglord

Yeast posted:

I'm hoping future editions have the pendulum swing back the other way, no more unbound-allied lists and just back to each army doing its own thing. Lords of War in non Apocalypse games is still stupid.

I agree generally that the system needs some restructuring. I don't know about completely undoing the ally system, as it's added more variety, it's just the abuse of the system that needs to be tweaked. There's a number of ways that could fix it, such as removing Objective Secured from ally Troops (eliminating the incredibly use of scatterbikes for all manner of non-Eldar armies) and only allowing a single core Detachment per army. Lords of War might need to be restricted a bit, but typically you lose an awful lot of army composition by leaning heavily into those and most of them are pretty defeatable by decent lists.

Phyresis
Nov 2, 2004

I can't sleep, I hope I stay awake

Cause I've been running, running, running all day

Long nights, no peace

I feel like everybody's eyes on me

Abusepuppy posted:

Eldar are much less scary when they don’t have melee defense and reserve defense built in to the army

I haven't had a chance to play much this edition, what is he referring to here?

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

PierreTheMime posted:

Great work! I'd be interested in what you had the hardest time with, gameplay-wise. It's always good to see Daemons fair well as they tend to be dismissed as "too random" for real competitive play outside a few specific builds.

Once I realized that demons are random, but almost all the random is the controlling players favor (and having fatey be there to fix warpstorm/reroll poo poo that needs to be rerolled, be a consistent magic gun and summoning platform) I really warmed up to it. Sometimes you get vanilla, sometimes chocolate, sometimes peanut butter, but it's all still good.

The harlies was lost to a mistake.I let myself get multiassaulted and lose my prince. If that wasn't a thing I would have had that game in the bag. It was simply new army problems.

My hardest game was against my last opponent and teammate. He played cron superfriends attached to wraiths. I got denied on my cursed earth (got greedy with my spells and didn't toss enough dice at it) and so my knight was only 3++ and invis'd. He tore it down 2 combats then broke out. I tried to hold him grimored with pink horrors but he ate me to the man after leadership then bounced out and murdered my bees. At that point I killed all the little things I could and flew around summoning screamers off of fatey and my prince while denying maelstrom as hard as I could. I had bottom of turn so I turboboosted screamers where I needed them on 5 and won. I would have won still on 6 because I could have used fateweaver+screemers to push primary since I was up on maelstrom but turn 7 would have been hard.

But that's the flexibility of demons. If the normal plan doesn't work (control the ground game with my bees+knight+prince) I can take to the sky and start summoning/flying off until the end of the game then drop on objectives and win.

Tuxedo Jack posted:

http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/04/19/whither-the-future-of-40k-a-suggestion-for-an-alternate-format/

Abusepuppy proposes an "Oldhammer Format" for competitive play, since apparently the new Angels of Death supplement and 30th anniversary marine are his tipping point.


edit: The article is a good read, and arguably a very important viewpoint to understand.

I didn't like formations when the broadside formation was a thing, much less now. But they _are_ the game as far as GW is concerned. The formations I really don't like are the ones without taxes, like triptide. Otherwise they are probably fine, you just have to make sure to ask what does what before you start playing.

boom boom boom
Jun 28, 2012

by Shine
There's one thing I don't understand about the Ally system; shouldn't the Tyranids be battle brothers with everybody except for Daemons and Necrons? Isn't that the entire idea of Genestealer Cults?

Salynne
Oct 25, 2007

boom boom boom posted:

There's one thing I don't understand about the Ally system; shouldn't the Tyranids be battle brothers with everybody except for Daemons and Necrons? Isn't that the entire idea of Genestealer Cults?

Just one thing?

The entire ally matrix is pretty arbitrary.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

Tuxedo Jack posted:

http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/04/19/whither-the-future-of-40k-a-suggestion-for-an-alternate-format/

Abusepuppy proposes an "Oldhammer Format" for competitive play, since apparently the new Angels of Death supplement and 30th anniversary marine are his tipping point.


edit: The article is a good read, and arguably a very important viewpoint to understand.

Doesn't that gently caress anyone with a Knight army? Bit harsh.

Phyresis
Nov 2, 2004

I can't sleep, I hope I stay awake

Cause I've been running, running, running all day

Long nights, no peace

I feel like everybody's eyes on me
Abusepuppy has Seventh Edition Derangement Syndrome and has now gone full comp. Never go full comp.

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

Gapey Joe Stalin posted:

Doesn't that gently caress anyone with a Knight army? Bit harsh.
gently caress 'em.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
While that is a valid argument, any fan-made rule system that disallows an entire faction is a pretty lovely system and speaks to the personal bias of the writer.

Phyresis
Nov 2, 2004

I can't sleep, I hope I stay awake

Cause I've been running, running, running all day

Long nights, no peace

I feel like everybody's eyes on me
I like how the two new factions (I count the Martians as one faction because, well, they are) get collateral damaged out of the game entirely under this system. All because Space Marines got a new pew pew gun.

I know you still lurk this thread, bro.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
No it's fine. This is fine. gently caress those people for buying the wrong toy men.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.
If you're going to do Oldhammer 40k I'd just go all the way and say only CADs are allowed and nothing else. You get one CAD and that's your list. Like the good old days. :colbert:

boom boom boom posted:

There's one thing I don't understand about the Ally system; shouldn't the Tyranids be battle brothers with everybody except for Daemons and Necrons? Isn't that the entire idea of Genestealer Cults?

Battle brothers means you fight next to each other against shared enemies. Genestealer cults don't convince space marines to fight along side 'nids, they just show up as a scouting party and create a psychic beacon to tell the rest of the fleet "there's food over here". Don't see how that would possibly count as battle brothers.

I could see Genestealer Cults being a unique faction which is battle brothers to both Imperium and Tyranids, as they could try to remain disguised among some Guard or whatever, but it should have to be one or the other. So you could take Tyranids + Genestealers or you could take Guard + Genestealers, I could see that. But Tyranids themselves should definitely not be battle brothers with any other faction. (Although even then, its not like the Primarch is gonna be hanging out in the trenches with Guard troopers, so that alone is a stretch)

The real Tyranids do not know the meaning of allies, they only know hunger.

Phyresis
Nov 2, 2004

I can't sleep, I hope I stay awake

Cause I've been running, running, running all day

Long nights, no peace

I feel like everybody's eyes on me
I haven't even played with the new rules but trust me this is way too broken and btw here's my alternative ruleset that is even more broken but disregard that, gotta bend over backwards to get rid of one disintegrator rifle

:goonsay:

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TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

Remember how good you are
Taco Defender
I don't particularly like knights and I find that approach to be bullshit

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