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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:The Karera incosistencies really, really bother me. Like, I know Araki forgets stuff all the time but usually it's stuff like miscellaneous stand powers (like Whitesnake's goo or Gold Experience's reflect bullshit) or little details like whether or not Rohan was shot with the arrow. The stuff with Karera is a major plot point though and it hasn't even been long since it happened. Maybe we wait a few more chapters before we decide that something was Araki Forgets and not intentional
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Apr 19, 2016 17:02
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There's still flashback man from chapter 2 or 3 or so too. The flashback shows Josuke looking at the man in the flashback, rather than Kira/Josefumi. That could go any direction, including Josuke being reburied or whatever.
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Apr 19, 2016 17:06
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i think it's very possible that karera is kind of embellishing what relationship she might have had with kira and josefumi. it's why when gappy kind of made a blind call and said 'you know we don't have that kind of relationship' she immediately sort of changed and didn't really argue it, because at that point she just thinks that it's josefumi being josefumi. can't really blame her for trying since she hadn't seen him since the boat incident. the photo still needs an explanation, i guess, but i don't think we can entirely count it out yet?
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Apr 19, 2016 17:41
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I can't wait until I actually get to Jojolion and get even the smallest bit of context. I'm the kind of person who doesn't care about spoilers for anything, and it seems like there is like 24 different characters and they all have 3 different names and some of their names are the same and they are all friends and also rivals as well as family who are all reworked reincarnations from the original universe. It's always super fun for me to read because every line feels like outofcontextjojo. On a more real note I'm coming up on the end of Part 6, you all talk about how much ridiculousness there is and I can't wait. I'm either in the middle or near the end of the Sky High fight, and there's only a couple hundred pages to go, I feel like that isn't a whole lot of space and I feel like I'm about to get hit by a freight train of crazy. I also really liked the Dragon's Dream fight. I generally have strange opinions, this is my Jojo story.
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Apr 19, 2016 18:07
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Aquasnake posted:I'm the kind of person who doesn't care about spoilers for anything, and it seems like there is like 24 different characters and they all have 3 different names and some of their names are the same and they are all friends and also rivals as well as family who are all reworked reincarnations from the original universe. That's all just the main character still.
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Apr 19, 2016 18:48
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Johnny Joestar posted:i think it's very possible that karera is kind of embellishing what relationship she might have had with kira and josefumi. it's why when gappy kind of made a blind call and said 'you know we don't have that kind of relationship' she immediately sort of changed and didn't really argue it, because at that point she just thinks that it's josefumi being josefumi. can't really blame her for trying since she hadn't seen him since the boat incident. the photo still needs an explanation, i guess, but i don't think we can entirely count it out yet? She calls out Sec-chan during the boat scenes and iirc Kira's like 'Don't you know her?'. Given that and how absolutely desperate Karera's entire situation and personality it is I'm pretty sure she hung out with with the Good Boys once in the time between them stealing the branch and the boat fight and took that photo and just really exaggerated her friendship status with them cause boy does she seem lonely.
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Apr 19, 2016 18:50
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The problem is Josefumi is only just getting a good look at her as he moors the boat. Kira comes across as the more informed about Karera than Josefumi to me. http://exec-phantasmagoria.tumblr.com/post/141834797021/points-3-and-4-of-the-conclusion-are-key-imo I guess this fucks any chance of getting an explanation of the phone trick too. 
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Apr 19, 2016 19:00
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Amaryllis posted:Same. Inconsistencies You're right about about the possibility of the tree just being temporarily at Kira's. I think the photo is just going to have to stay unsolved. I start to wonder if maybe there's a lot more to Karera after all but maybe not; it definitely feels odd that something that happened so recently (at least, comparatively) might be lost entirely but I have no idea at this point. I had honestly felt pretty sure that the big bad would show up here and that they would be at least partially involved in the merging; obviously, there's still a chance that this could happen, but I think it's less likely which makes Gappy's early recollection moot. It's really interesting though. I'm actually sort of glad it's working out this way because I like the idea that there are ramifications for having tampered with the fruit; grafting it wasn't just as simple as you'd think. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this starts to fold together next time. I'm going to look for the french Thus Spoke translations, I think I'll try and track that down at least. I originally typed a ton of words about Kewl's translations here but eh I'm just not gonna do that, no one cares. I do want to talk about crunchyroll vs fan subs for Okuyasu last week at some point but am really, really sleep deprived today so I doubt I'd be able to make a cogent point.
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Apr 19, 2016 19:22
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i definitely had a feeling that there was going to be some connection between the fruit, that weird spot with the tree and gappy in general, so it's nice that it was all wrapped up in a neat way with this most recent chapter in a way that makes sense.
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Apr 19, 2016 19:38
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CJ posted:After watching this week's anime episode, how does Keicho get into Angelo's cell? You'd think Araki would give him a stand that lets him fit through bars or open holes in walls or something. his stand is tiny little men, how do you think he snuck in? could've jacked a key from a guard, could have had the little men crawl into the lock and gently caress with it till it's open, etc.
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Apr 19, 2016 20:14
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You wouldn't need a key with a stand anyway, just use its hand to push the tumblers up and twist. You'd be the ultimate lockpicker. A master of...
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Apr 19, 2016 20:17
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Bad Seafood posted:Magician's Red was so broken it's all but patently obvious Araki "Killed" Avdol to avoid having to write fights around him. magicians red is so broken it would prove extremely dangerous to even dio
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Apr 19, 2016 20:26
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Okuyasu Nijimura posted:I start to wonder if maybe there's a lot more to Karera after all but maybe not; it definitely feels odd that something that happened so recently (at least, comparatively) might be lost entirely but I have no idea at this point. I had honestly felt pretty sure that the big bad would show up here and that they would be at least partially involved in the merging; obviously, there's still a chance that this could happen, but I think it's less likely which makes Gappy's early recollection moot. It's really interesting though. Anyway, looking back, it's kind of nuts that I was so moved by this chapter, in which two dudes whom we knew for just a handful of chapters and whom we knew were going to die end up dying. JJL was always good but I think it's finally edged out SBR as my second-favourite part. P.S. About ten minutes after posting about the Rohan spinoff I tacked it onto a book order I was planning to make anyway. To be honest, I'm more excited about it than I have been about collecting the Part 2 hardcovers, which at this point I feel like I'm just doing because I want to see other, better Jojo parts in English.
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Apr 19, 2016 20:28
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I can't really be arsed to read through my Battle Tendency volumes. So much JoJo going on and so much better to re-experience.
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Apr 19, 2016 20:33
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I can't really be arsed to read through my Battle Tendency volumes. So much JoJo going on and so much better to re-experience.
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Apr 19, 2016 20:36
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My JoJopinions are gureito. I need to take a new squad photo of my SAS figures soon.
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Apr 19, 2016 20:37
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 this is my collection of GREAT things pt.1
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Apr 19, 2016 20:50
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I'm redecorating my room right now, and have a bunch of shelves with so far nothing on them right now. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted to get some JoJo's figures to put on it.
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Apr 19, 2016 21:13
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A close up of Gappy's crotch may help your decision.  (really nice detail work on his belt buckle)
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Apr 19, 2016 21:15
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As rad as that is, WOAH not at that price.
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Apr 19, 2016 21:16
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Josuke 8's actually one of the most affordable at £33/$48 or so. Don't look at the pink Killer Queen. If you never see it, you'll never want it or see his £90 price tag.
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Apr 19, 2016 21:22
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Disappointed in the lack of Pt7 figures, although there's apparently a Gyro coming at some point this year. SORELY tempted by Rohan, though, especially since he comes with Heaven's Door.
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Apr 19, 2016 21:28
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Gyro is meant to be coming yeah but no real news so far.
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Apr 19, 2016 21:36
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Gappy and S+W are awesome and I still want those SASes. All of the Rohan figures are great but this one is my favourite because it has the best scowl: These are my prized ones though (best jojobro): 
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Apr 19, 2016 22:02
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Not the finger I'd have expected Josuke to be holding up in that situation.
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Apr 19, 2016 22:03
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The Sandman posted:Not the finger I'd have expected Josuke to be holding up in that situation. 
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Apr 19, 2016 22:03
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It still works. Looks like he's tapping his chin somewhat and saying "Hit me then if you hate me so much" and looking for any excuse to put Pink Dark Boy on Hiatus again.
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Apr 19, 2016 22:12
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Condiv posted:his stand is tiny little men, how do you think he snuck in? could've jacked a key from a guard, could have had the little men crawl into the lock and gently caress with it till it's open, etc. He walks past the window then teleports inside. I guess you could say it's open to interpretation in the manga. Might just be another case of David Production taking the manga panels too literally as a storyboard rather than thinking about what it's conveying and adapting it into an animation, like the plant pots.
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Apr 19, 2016 22:15
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Josuke Higashikata posted:It still works.
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Apr 19, 2016 22:19
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I don't know I think Keicho being all hold up a second am just unlocking this door ah gently caress which key is poo poo one sec Angy mate ahh this loving bow and arrows getting in the loving way this is bollocks OK have unlocked it [creaaaaaaaaaaaaak] ah I've got you pashooom bullseye Might have just ruined the dramatic tension
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Apr 19, 2016 22:20
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It's a flashback told from Angelo's perspective, I think a few details might've been skipped because they're not that important to his story.
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Apr 19, 2016 22:32
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I don't think it's unreasonable to expect David to have come up with some cool solution--like, this is the studio that bothered to show where the rubber glove came from in the first Angelo episode, and I'm sure they could've come up with something to explain how Keicho got in there. At the same time, the Nijimura Brothers arc has a some horror-movie stuff going on (iirc Xibanya touched on that in the let's read thread), and I think the spooky shadow passing in front of the window and then bam! creepy guy in a high school uniform appearing before Angelo's eyes fits in with that.
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Apr 19, 2016 22:38
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On the other hand, who cares. EDIT: You might as well start asking why a swole high school student is wandering around prisons shooting people with a bow, and then the entire fabric of Jojo is undone.
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Apr 19, 2016 22:42
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Actually I'm thinking about it, Angelo didn't actually know how Keicho got in, so it kinda makes sense that there's no actual explanation in his flashback. Because his focus was on Keicho, he wouldn't have noticed anything Keicho would have done to get in either.
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Apr 19, 2016 22:50
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Amaryllis posted:I don't think it's unreasonable to expect David to have come up with some cool solution--like, this is the studio that bothered to show where the rubber glove came from in the first Angelo episode, and I'm sure they could've come up with something to explain how Keicho got in there. At the same time, the Nijimura Brothers arc has a some horror-movie stuff going on (iirc Xibanya touched on that in the let's read thread), and I think the spooky shadow passing in front of the window and then bam! creepy guy in a high school uniform appearing before Angelo's eyes fits in with that. That story is told from Angelo's perspective, so it would make no sense for him to know that detail; Keicho was already in the cell by the time he was aware something was happening. Not that it's important; it's not at all implausible Keicho could get into a prison, and exactly how he would do it isn't relevant to the larger story. Every story has little details like this that aren't filled in because filling them in would hurt the overall narrative, usually because it makes the pacing worse.
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Apr 19, 2016 22:51
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I'm not seriously arguing that they had to show it; I just didn't want CJ to feel dogpiled again and also wanted to point out that the way it's handled in both manga and anime does a great job of creating a creepy atmosphere.
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Apr 19, 2016 22:56
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Amaryllis posted:Gappy and S+W are awesome and I still want those SASes. All of the Rohan figures are great but this one is my favourite because it has the best scowl: Look at that Rohan though! But yeah, the scowl is perfect. I'm so upset: I had a friend bring back the other version of that Rohan from Japan (the white one) and a leg popped off. The leg just never really stays on for more than two seconds. Bleh. I have my Okuyasu/Hand posed to match the OP because that's the sort of nerd that I am. e: gah I need the link to the other translation for JJL actually just to compare and contrast something because I *really* want to know if I'm reading too much into Gappy saying he wants to "move forward"
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Apr 19, 2016 23:07
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When I finish reading Part 6, do you guys think I should reread Part 4 to refresh for the anime, or just move on to Part 7?
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