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Decoy Badger posted:I was really excited about that mech until I looked it up and realized that "AP Gauss Rifle" doesn't mean Armour-Penetrating and is in fact much less grand than I imagined. If it makes you feel better they're War Crimes gauss rifles. Between those and War Crimes LRMs I guess we have a real party coming.
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They're gauss rifles made to shoot at people. 
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Apr 20, 2016 00:59
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SynthOrange posted:They're gauss rifles made to shoot at people. Wrong! They're mech sized gauss rifles designed to be shot at people. 
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Apr 20, 2016 01:05
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Back Hack posted:Wrong! They're mech sized gauss rifles designed to be shot at people. Elemental sized. The mech version came later and is basically just a box around the toad version.
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Apr 20, 2016 01:14
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How does that work? Is it just a .50 cal sized Gauss slug? Or what?
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Apr 20, 2016 01:14
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Amaris using his technology is a pragmatic choice. He has advanced but non-unique technology. If he doesn't use it and doesn't need it, great. If he doesn't use it and does need it, he's screwed. If he does use it and doesn't need it, great. If he does use it and does need it, great. There is no downside to using his technology while he still has access to it. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Apr 20, 2016 01:15
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Artificer posted:How does that work? Is it just a .50 cal sized Gauss slug? Or what? It's a half ton needler. Flechettes everywhere at ridiculous speeds. Ferrous flechettes instead of the shredded plastic that self defense ones in this setting use. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Apr 20, 2016 01:15
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dis astranagant posted:It's a half ton needler. Flechettes everywhere at ridiculous speeds. holy poo poo
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Apr 20, 2016 01:18
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So I guess the "AP" stands for "anti-personnel"?
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Apr 20, 2016 01:18
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AP does indeed stand for anti-personnel. What they do depends on the manufacturer. They either fire a burst of slugs (like the Clan Gauss SMG) or fire a single shotgun blast of weaponized metal flechettes.
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dis astranagant posted:It's a half ton needler. Flechettes everywhere at ridiculous speeds. 
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Apr 20, 2016 01:21
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PoptartsNinja posted:AP does indeed stand for anti-personnel. Each burst is about 50 pounds of hot iron at several times the speed of sound, regardless of how many pieces its in. Per gun. You do not want to be in the open when that thing unloads. They're presumably fairly big projectiles given their armor penetration but gently caress. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Apr 20, 2016 01:23
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dis astranagant posted:Each burst is about 50 pounds of hot iron at several times the speed of sound, regardless of how many pieces its in. 50 lbs of these going a ~4000fps  
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Apr 20, 2016 01:30
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They do respectable damage to battlemechs too once you're in range. That Komodo can unload 30 points of damage (split across ten rolls, hello crits) into a clanner's face for 10 heat, and has enough sinkage spare to also pop off a capacitor LPPC shot (another 10 damage) in the same volley. It's a monster.
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Apr 20, 2016 01:32
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Bloody Pom posted:They do respectable damage to battlemechs too once you're in range. That Komodo can unload 30 points of damage (split across ten rolls, hello crits) into a clanner's face for 10 heat, and has enough sinkage spare to also pop off a capacitor LPPC shot (another 10 damage) in the same volley. It's a monster. This is assuming it doesn't run the laser AMS, which are likely very necessary for survival.
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Apr 20, 2016 01:47
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So...war crimes, huh? Too bad we can't coat the flechettes in White Phosphorous or something.
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Apr 20, 2016 01:48
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Artificer posted:So...war crimes, huh? Too bad we can't coat the flechettes in White Phosphorous or something. The clans actually do that for a special squad level weapon.
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Apr 20, 2016 01:50
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Artificer posted:So...war crimes, huh? Too bad we can't coat the flechettes in White Phosphorous or something. The Ostscout's micro pulse laser is the last word in causing third degree burns and/or incineration.
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Apr 20, 2016 01:54
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For all the talk of War Crimes weaponry, it is unlikely the Clans brought any orphans with them. And even less likely that they would care that someone auto-shotgunned them to death even if they had. Freebirth extermination? Thanks Space-bama!
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How does the War Crimes Weapon Platform stack up against aerospace?
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Tran posted:How does the War Crimes Weapon Platform stack up against aerospace? It doesn't unless the aeros are very low flying. It can plink with the ppc otherwise.
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Tran posted:How does the War Crimes Weapon Platform stack up against aerospace? It would murder the poo poo out of the pilot, assuming that pilot was on the tarmac running to get into his aero.
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Some enterprising Republic egghead needs to add ammo switching functionality to the Silver Bullet. Essentially an LB-15X with gauss rifle range and no slug ammo. Airborne targets beware. Bloody Pom fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Apr 20, 2016 03:01
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The Silver Bullet's a piece of poo poo. The end-all be-all of AA is the HAG-40 (and by that, I mean it's a piece of poo poo. Let your fighters shoot down their fighters).
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PoptartsNinja posted:The Silver Bullet's a piece of poo poo. The end-all be-all of AA is the HAG-40 (and by that, I mean it's a piece of poo poo. Let your fighters shoot down their fighters). A perfected Silver Bullet with ammo switching and tcomp compatibility would be terrifying. HAG40 only does at most 8 clusters.
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PoptartsNinja posted:The Silver Bullet's a piece of poo poo. The end-all be-all of AA is the HAG-40 (and by that, I mean it's a piece of poo poo. Let your fighters shoot down their fighters). Thank you for reminding me of the mixed-tech dual HAG 40 Fafnir I designed.  Speaking of which, can we see a Fafnir in a future campaign? Pretty please?
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Dual HAG 40s are a thing. So are quad HAG-20s. Sure, installing them onto a Fafnir would get you a chassis with either loadouts 12 years quicker, but either armament is already encapsulated into a Cygnus. The 2 and 3 variant, respectively. But between the two? I would also rather see a Fafnir
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Apr 20, 2016 04:49
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The Cygnus looks awful and is a 95-tonner with an XL (clan-sized, but still). Also arm-mounted primary weapons. 
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That's what I want on my mech... EXPOSED AMMO FEEDS. Might as well paint "don't shoot me here (I'll die)"
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Apr 20, 2016 05:02
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Eh, the HAG variants have inert rounds at least. The autocannon variants though... 
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It also probably doesn't matter as much when precision shooting means your shots hit the same quarter of the mapsheet as your target.
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Bloody Pom posted:The Cygnus looks awful and is a 95-tonner with an XL (clan-sized, but still). Also arm-mounted primary weapons. not just an XL, a 380 XL. The engine alone is over 20 tons.
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Does the AP gauss rifle fire specialized ammo, or is it just a brand name for the rifle? Can't find the rounds in Sarna (unlike armor piercing).
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RA Rx posted:Does the AP gauss rifle fire specialized ammo, or is it just a brand name for the rifle? Can't find the rounds in Sarna (unlike armor piercing). It's a weapon. http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Anti-Personnel_Gauss_Rifle
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I never claimed that the Cygnus was a good mech, just that it already has built-in the HAG loadouts in question. Given that it was made by the Clans, all its faults feel far more egregious. Particularly the exposed ammo feeds. It rather feels like the Scientists and Engineers involved in the creation of the Cygnus decided to ignore every single lesson of battlemech design and efficacy. It is a true Annihilator successor in design philosophy I suppose, but one still has to wonder why the result just had to be the Cygnus.
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Ronin Of Dreams posted:I never claimed that the Cygnus was a good mech, just that it already has built-in the HAG loadouts in question. Given that it was made by the Clans, all its faults feel far more egregious. Particularly the exposed ammo feeds. It rather feels like the Scientists and Engineers involved in the creation of the Cygnus decided to ignore every single lesson of battlemech design and efficacy. It is a true Annihilator successor in design philosophy I suppose, but one still has to wonder why the result just had to be the Cygnus. The other option is that the Scientist caste just hates the warriors and loves sending them off in deathtraps to "Earn their glory" 
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There's also the Dire Wolf D variant, which supports a pair of HAG-40s in the arms with considerably better armor and some close range torso mounted backup weapons.
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Gwaihir posted:The other option is that the Scientist caste just hates the warriors and loves sending them off in deathtraps to "Earn their glory" Considering this is from the Hell's Horses, you might just be right. If they wanted the warriors to survive, they would have made an updated version of the Epona and called it a day rather than investing in the Cygnus. E: But the Dire Wolf is a decent (minimum) assault mech in pretty much all of the variants. Not a "dedicated to a gimmick" mech like the Fafnir or the Cygnus!
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Ronin Of Dreams posted:I never claimed that the Cygnus was a good mech, just that it already has built-in the HAG loadouts in question. Given that it was made by the Clans, all its faults feel far more egregious. Particularly the exposed ammo feeds. It rather feels like the Scientists and Engineers involved in the creation of the Cygnus decided to ignore every single lesson of battlemech design and efficacy. It is a true Annihilator successor in design philosophy I suppose, but one still has to wonder why the result just had to be the Cygnus. The Cygnus 2 isn't actually bad. It's the optimal weight for a 4/6 machine with an XL engine, it uses Endo instead of Ferro (unlike the Gladiator), and 2 HAG/40s with 12 shots each, plus 4 ERMLs, is a pretty nasty armament. Like okay, you can't alpha strike with it so the ERMLs are basically backup weapons, but 2 HAG/40s is still a solid arsenal even if 4 LRM-20s would probably be a better loadout. Its armor is pretty solid too-280 points, the max for a 95-tonner being 293 (so it's just 1 ton shy of max). Like, there are actually bad Mechs, but the Cygnus 2 is not even close to one of them.
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Ronin Of Dreams posted:Considering this is from the Hell's Horses, you might just be right. If they wanted the warriors to survive, they would have made an updated version of the Epona and called it a day rather than investing in the Cygnus. If your Clan mech isn't at minimum decent you did it on purpose. Designing Clan mechs is comically easy.
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