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infernal machines posted:
uh and since when with blackberries has that meant it had actual security
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never, although being able to root it would definitely mean you don't have security in theory, in bbOS apps were sandboxed well enough to prevent accessing data they shouldn't, and could be restricted by mdm policy with absolute control over the phone. that all goes out the window once you root the os because a kernel level shim can intercept and respond to mdm arbitrarily. i mean, they're incredibly stupid, but they're not stupid enough to make a "secure" phone that dispenses with even the pretense of security
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Apr 19, 2016 16:37
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infernal machines posted:
counterpoint: every other existing blackberry phone in seriousness i expect the only reason you can't root the priv is because like 500 people total own one and none have the necessary expertise
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Apr 19, 2016 17:11
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yeah, that's probably true, but i would have expected them to enforce bootloader signatures and other basic stuff that's been in android for years. on the other hand, blackberry
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Apr 19, 2016 17:13
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blackberry got their reputation for security back when that meant that if the phone was stolen they could disable it and the thief wouldn't be able to read your email and messages. today security means a whole lot more. blackberries never evolved that ability particularly well and lol at securing android.
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Apr 19, 2016 18:32
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The Management posted:blackberry got their reputation for security back when that meant that if the phone was stolen they could disable it and the thief wouldn't be able to read your email and messages. today security means a whole lot more. blackberries never evolved that ability particularly well and lol at securing android. the old blackberry OS was actually good about pushing and backporting security updates. they weren't using a million common linux libraries so it wasn't an absolute shitshow and its hard to tell how much they were benefiting from security through relative obscurity, but actually did care and put a lot of effort in to supporting their handsets correctly. unmanaged devices had to opt in to updates which was stupid, but if you went through the trouble of putting up their mdm solution that could all be managed as well. meanwhile, apple was gunning for them hard since the 3gs when they started support exchange security policies and then MDM solutions and security profiles and blackberry went in the other direction and sold the only real feature they had that could have kept them afloat on corporate accounts and now they're just another lovely android OEM. if they put in a real effort to maintain their android handsets then maybe they can work back in to that sector but at this point they've completely trashed their track record and nobody is going to seriously consider a large rollout with their stuff until they have 2 or 3 years of demonstrated competency when iphone is an option. they should have stuck with bbos10 and weathered the storm but they'll be bankrupt before they can prove their android route viable
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Apr 19, 2016 18:39
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infernal machines posted:
I really don't know much about what goes into rooting or how people figure out how to do it, or why on some phones it's easy and others (the Priv) it's impossible. I wasn't even aware that the bootloader had anything to do with rooting. I thought the bootloader poo poo was from years ago when people used to use those stupid custom ROMs or whatever?
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Apr 19, 2016 18:51
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if the bootloader is locked down right it won't boot unsigned code, so no custom roms and nothing that affects the android kernel that isn't signed by a trusted authority (i.e. rim) if you can gain root without those then your userland security is completely hosed and nothing running on the device can be trusted. either way once the phone is rooted you have no mdm security so the device can't be used anywhere that's required because there's no way to know if your mdm restrictions and commands are actually being enforced. and anything that has root access theoretically has access to all your otherwise "secured" data (e.g. mail, contacts, calendars) from your organization as well as your user credentials used to access that data
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Apr 19, 2016 19:08
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rim might have survived if anyone actually wanted to use their mdm solution (BES), but it's been poo poo forever and if you're already running exchange newer than 2007 you already have one that will get the job done then they made it so you needed two BES mdm solutions running if you had a mix of bb10 and pre-bb10 devices, and you had to buy separate cals for each. the newer one could manage android and ios too, but so could exchange, and 99 times out of 100 you already had all the cals for that
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Apr 19, 2016 19:12
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I'm sure android-rim requires a third mdm solution because why the hell not
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who knows, they launched with a $900 device that's competing with $0 carrier specials, no one but the truly strange have them
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infernal machines posted:who knows, they launched with a $900 device that's competing with $0 carrier specials, no one but the truly strange have them ordered one for an exec yesterday
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did you get your bes12 deployment rolled out yet?
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infernal machines posted:did you get your bes12 deployment rolled out yet? lol god no, if it supports exchange sec policy then that's all it gets. this same person insisted on yet another blackberry 5+ years ago and we refused to deploy bes and risk the entire exchange environment so we slapped a 3rd party mail app NotifySync on it and it ran like dogshit but worked. Then they got an Android Pro because it was the only thing with a hardware keyboard and they're still using it
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infernal machines posted:if the bootloader is locked down right it won't boot unsigned code, so no custom roms and nothing that affects the android kernel that isn't signed by a trusted authority (i.e. rim) Makes sense; I was just confused by your statement of "of course you can't root it" as if all the other phones that can be rooted were done so because the companies making them were cool with it or whatever. You do have to give RIM credit for making a phone that no one can root (the same way I guess that you could give Sony credit for making the Vita which no one can crack).
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Apr 19, 2016 19:34
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again though it's unlikely that the priv is actually unrootable, instead of that it's sold so few units that there doesn't happen to be anyone with the necessary expertise owning one. likely just security through obscurity
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Apr 19, 2016 19:36
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The Macintosh Gambit
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fishmech posted:again though it's unlikely that the priv is actually unrootable, instead of that it's sold so few units that there doesn't happen to be anyone with the necessary expertise owning one. this bears repeating. the people who would spend time figuring out how to root it probably aren't spending $900 on a phone that compares poorly with something you can get for free with a new contract
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:bes and risk the entire exchange environment possibly my favourite bes anecdote, oob BES/BESX would render SBS2008 and SBS2011 unbootable if you actually followed their installation instructions because it required adding the BES service account to a protected group in a way that wiped out all the built in system account memberships
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fishmech posted:again though it's unlikely that the priv is actually unrootable, instead of that it's sold so few units that there doesn't happen to be anyone with the necessary expertise owning one. hence my Vita comparison 
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:I'm sure android-rim requires a third mdm solution because why the hell not didn't blackberry buy Good Technologies for this purpose?
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The Management posted:didn't blackberry buy Good Technologies for this purpose? blackberry bought good technology because they had another third party whitelabel mdm partner they were selling that went belly up. so now in the field they have a mix of old and new mdm solutions with no migration path between the two beyond i imagine an automated uninstall/reinstall on the managed device.
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infernal machines posted:idk about the HoC, but anyone in the ontario parliament under 60 is rocking an iphone these days HoC started giving choice of BB or iPhone 2 years ago
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my first and only Good Technologies purchase was the SoundsGood 64MB MP3 Player for my Handspring Visor
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/21/gang-found-guilty-of-uks-largest-known-gun-smuggling-operationquote:The NCA put the gang under surveillance after receiving intelligence they had plans to illegally smuggle firearms into the country. Blackberry phones fitted with PGP (pretty good privacy) encryption software were sent to the Canadian mounties to be decoded, in order to intercept messages between the men.
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i'm getting an image of a man in a log cabin, wearing a campaign hat, sitting in front of a crackling fire and fiddling with a blackberry
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found one in the wild today. back in canada for my mom's convocation. introduced me to an english prof and he was checkin some email. the screen was terrible lmbo.
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GBS bad video thread made me remember this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOIlusV3Zgo
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Bonzo posted:GBS bad video thread made me remember this right up there with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPv8PPl7ANU
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May 10, 2016 03:42
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Marx was right
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Tayter Swift posted:in olden times this triggered the death pool they got rid of their name (RIM), and they've stopped making BBRY OS devices, can anyone really say they still exist? there's literally hundreds of poo poo android peddlers with sub 1% of the market already. aside from abject failure and a single trademark and logo, what about old BBRY still exists? do gsm BBRYs (the grand prize) still exist? 
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Mister Macys posted:they got rid of their name (RIM), and they've stopped making BBRY OS devices, can anyone really say they still exist? gently caress you for bumping this thread without having some titillating new factoid about blackberry's slow death
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http://www.therecord.com/news-story/6746572-will-quantum-computing-be-blackberry-s-waterloo-/ TL;DR - Quantum Computing could allow someone to break RIM's encryption which is about the last thing they have to stay in business. Here's proof that Chen has no loving idea what's going on quote:While meeting with reporters last week following the release of BlackBerry's first-quarter financial results, Chen was asked about the impact quantum computing could have on the company's famous security. Chen said he doesn't really know anything about it.
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Jul 3, 2016 22:04
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I red losing the signal last weekend it wasn't as laffo as I expected
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Bonzo posted:http://www.therecord.com/news-story/6746572-will-quantum-computing-be-blackberry-s-waterloo-/ rim's encryption is loving worthless and has been since they started handing out their keys to any government that asked, so around 2001 or so you don't need quantum computers to break the security of a network that routes everything through a single facility in waterloo
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quote:A note went out earlier this week informing Senate staffers that they would no longer be issued BlackBerry handsets, since BlackBerry no longer makes them. (Jim Swift, a D.C. blogger, first flagged the memo.)
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Jul 4, 2016 03:08
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...r... ...rip?
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The Management posted:A note went out earlier this week informing Senate staffers that they would no longer be issued BlackBerry handsets, since BlackBerry no longer makes them. (Jim Swift, a D.C. blogger, first flagged the memo.) The Kins posted:...r... ...rip? poo poo. yup. I think this thread is done. it's been a good run
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this thread reminded me that crackberry.com still exists and their forums are still active and... mannnnnn
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not with a bang, but with a sickening thud
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