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Angry Grimace posted:I mean, it's pretty easy to have mis-evaluated Jace but I'm lost how anyone could have missed out that Avacyn is good enough to pre-order at $20. Spending $80 on 4 whole cards isn't something everyone wants to or can do. GeneX posted:...why? Reddit is full of people who will come out of the woodworks to scream about how any change to anything is awful. It's kinda like those days where a bunch of GBS poo poo-posters decide to invade various other forums. Except every day is one of those days. And instead of like 3 posters, who get probated in short order, it's like 100 of them, and they don't get the boot.
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Serious question, when was the last time the raft of undisputed tier one Standard decks DIDN'T run between $300-$500? If you want the fully blinged top tier decks, it seems to me they've always been stupid expensive. And, it's usually a matter of one card in the list driving the price up so if you can make a budget replacement you can drop a Bant Company list, for example, from ~$600 to ~$300 just by not playing Jace. Furthermore, you can build $100 homebrews that can win games against average local players piloting tier decks just fine, if you play well. I don't see what all the fuss is about.
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Apr 20, 2016 00:23
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Last standard winning with $20 homebrews against $1000 4c rally was the best thing. Of course that white aggro core has ballooned to $150, but what are you gonna do? Play brain in the jar, obviously.
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Apr 20, 2016 00:30
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stinkles1112 posted:Serious question, when was the last time the raft of undisputed tier one Standard decks DIDN'T run between $300-$500? If you want the fully blinged top tier decks, it seems to me they've always been stupid expensive. And, it's usually a matter of one card in the list driving the price up so if you can make a budget replacement you can drop a Bant Company list, for example, from ~$600 to ~$300 just by not playing Jace. Furthermore, you can build $100 homebrews that can win games against average local players piloting tier decks just fine, if you play well. I don't see what all the fuss is about. I remember having a lot of fun with that $50 Heroic Red deck in THS/KTK standard, and I was able to post respectable results with that. Maybe not tier one in some people's eyes but I stole a number of games from decks that were better, or at least more expensive. Comedy answer: MURDERGOATS, tier one deck (of my heart)
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Apr 20, 2016 01:20
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C-Euro posted:I remember having a lot of fun with that $50 Heroic Red deck in THS/KTK standard, and I was able to post respectable results with that. Maybe not tier one in some people's eyes but I stole a number of games from decks that were better, or at least more expensive. I kinda miss heroic. It was a fun mechanics, but it absolutely cannot survive modern.
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Apr 20, 2016 02:17
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That feeling when your opponent has held off on cracking their Sinister Concoction and you get in for some unexpected damage to reduce them to 1 life. 
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Apr 20, 2016 02:33
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I'm becoming more and more convinced that Voldaren Duelist is the best non-rare red creature in the set for Limited.
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Apr 20, 2016 02:38
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stinkles1112 posted:Serious question, when was the last time the raft of undisputed tier one Standard decks DIDN'T run between $300-$500? If you want the fully blinged top tier decks, it seems to me they've always been stupid expensive. And, it's usually a matter of one card in the list driving the price up so if you can make a budget replacement you can drop a Bant Company list, for example, from ~$600 to ~$300 just by not playing Jace. Furthermore, you can build $100 homebrews that can win games against average local players piloting tier decks just fine, if you play well. I don't see what all the fuss is about. You could throw together U/G/r madness back in the day for like, fifty bucks, if you skimped on the duals and fetches. Skies was equally cheap, IIRC. Bog standard versions of Affinity were mostly commons and uncommons. But neither Skies nor U/G/r madness were undisputed tier ones; they had a few months to shine before Standard soldified and then got blown out by Rebels, Psychatog, and...Astral Slide? I'm probably missing some others in there on both sides. God, I've been playing this game for so long. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Apr 20, 2016 02:42
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Entropic posted:I'm becoming more and more convinced that Voldaren Duelist is the best non-rare red creature in the set for Limited. I'm not disagreeing.
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Apr 20, 2016 02:59
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Entropic posted:I'm becoming more and more convinced that Voldaren Duelist is the best non-rare red creature in the set for Limited. Big fan of that card, it has been great every time I have cast it in limited
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Apr 20, 2016 03:01
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:You could throw together U/G/r madness back in the day for like, fifty bucks, if you skimped on the duals and fetches. Skies was equally cheap, IIRC. Bog standard versions of Affinity were mostly commons and uncommons. But neither Skies nor U/G/r madness were undisputed tier ones; they had a few months to shine before Standard soldified and then got blown out by Rebels, Psychatog, and...Astral Slide? I'm probably missing some others in there on both sides. I played Krark-Clan Ironworks instead of Ravager Affinity because it was much, much cheaper. Ironworks basically beat everything except Affinity, which it was really weak to because Disciple and an equally fast clock. Ravager Affinity was about $200 if I remember right. Seriously, you guys don't understand - Chrome Mox was twenty dollars! That's absurd!
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Ya it was right around Mirrodin era where standard started getting expensive. Ravagers and Chrome Moxen were $20/ea, unheard of in magic for years previously.
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Balon posted:Ya it was right around Mirrodin era where standard started getting expensive. Ravagers and Chrome Moxen were $20/ea, unheard of in magic for years previously. Sorry but there were definitely 20 dollar type 2 cards in 98 when i started magic.
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Apr 20, 2016 03:18
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Yeah, even in Urza era the decks were expensive as hell. Masques was around the time that I started playing heavily, so the cheap decks from then onwards are what I remember. Is it just a coincidence when we get powerful cards at common and uncommon in high enough density to make at least one viable competitive deck in Standard? WOTC is notoriously bad at figuring out what will be powerful and what won't, but it'd be nice to see them put some effort towards lowering the cost of decks or creating some cheaper alternative archetypes beyond Tribal (I know this will never happen). Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Apr 20, 2016 03:20
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Yeah, even in Urza era the decks were expensive as hell. Masques was around the time that I started playing heavily, so the cheap decks from then onwards are what I remember. gently caress it was 97 actually because i started playing magic the day tempest was released.
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Apr 20, 2016 03:23
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Dehtraen posted:Big fan of that card, it has been great every time I have cast it in limited It starts to get silly in multiples. I'm playing my second draft deck that's had 3x of them right now, and it just steals so many wins. It very frequently turns a board state where your opponent passes expecting to maybe trade a creature and take 0-3 damage if you attack into a turn where they're taking 6-10 damage and don't get to kill anything.
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Apr 20, 2016 03:25
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Why are Lightning Axe and Fiery Temper constantly in the same pack? Fuuuuck. Obviously Lightning Axe is the pick, but it still sucks.
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Apr 20, 2016 03:32
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lol the reason Helene tweeted for why they can't just use marked checklist cards for DFC's is "We might not have enough"
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Apr 20, 2016 03:54
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Yeah, even in Urza era the decks were expensive as hell. Masques was around the time that I started playing heavily, so the cheap decks from then onwards are what I remember. common and uncommon is for limited, rare and mythics are for constructed
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MiddleEastBeast posted:lol the reason Helene tweeted for why they can't just use marked checklist cards for DFC's is "We might not have enough" Good lord
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MiddleEastBeast posted:lol the reason Helene tweeted for why they can't just use marked checklist cards for DFC's is "We might not have enough" lol further at people complaining that now players have memorize the reverse side of each DFC because they can't flip the card around or ask a judge without giving away what's in the pack. You know, as if Pro Tour players who are drafting at the Pro Tour who haven't memorized every card in the set already. What the actual reason for not using checklist cards should be is that it's hard to mentally evaluate a card when all you see is the name and mana cost.
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Apr 20, 2016 04:10
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Man SCG Premium is worth it just to see how badly opinionated Ari Lax is. "Mox Opal and the Urza Lands are severely overpowered, one enables a bunch of borderline decks and the other breaks the sacred rules of magic." "Unban Jitte."
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Count Bleck posted:Man SCG Premium is worth it just to see how badly opinionated Ari Lax is. He's right about the second one E: Jitte actually goes a long way to nailing down the trinity of combo aggro that exists in Modern right now and most other decks don't care (Thopter, Tron), have answers to it (Jund, Grixis), or get stronger for having it around (creature decks, particularly Thalia decks). Also it'd be really cool to have at least one good equipment in Modern that wasn't hugely combo dependent TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Apr 20, 2016 04:15
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Unban Goblin Recruiter.
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Toshimo posted:Unban Goblin Recruiter. Legacy is ready. Save Goblins, MaRo.
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MiddleEastBeast posted:lol the reason Helene tweeted for why they can't just use marked checklist cards for DFC's is "We might not have enough" What did they do for PT drafts the first time around?
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Entropic posted:What did they do for PT drafts the first time around? Everyone revealed their DFCs in the draft, I think.
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TheKingofSprings posted:He's right about the second one The reason you don't unban Jitte is because it is far too powerful in a creature mirror and has no deckbuilding cost other than "play creatures". It turns matches into farces because one player plays a Jitte and equips and the other player loses. You can't even kill the enemy Jitte with your Jitte because of the new legend rule. You get to keep a Jitte in play, but can't ever equip it because whoever went first gets to shoot down whatever creature you try to equip. It just leads to too many uninteractive games and provides no actual metagame advantage.
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ShadeofBlue posted:Everyone revealed their DFCs in the draft, I think. Which assuming that's true, apparently still wasn't fair enough because this whole thing started with Finkel asking Helene if they'd be using round tables to draft at the PT so all players would have an equal view of all other players' picks rather than the usual rectangular pods.
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Count Bleck posted:"Mox Opal and the Urza Lands are severely overpowered, one enables a bunch of borderline decks and the other breaks the sacred rules of magic." I do think that "[Mana out] - [Mana in] <= 1" is a sacred rule of Magic, at least of Magic over the last decade-ish. That's why we don't get playable rituals, nor Sol lands that aren't highly specific. TheKingofSprings posted:Legacy is ready. This but unironically. I regret giving up on building Legacy Goblins when I did, if for no other reason than that I traded away the Caverns of Soul I had picked up for it and I really wish I had those back! 
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ShadeofBlue posted:Everyone revealed their DFCs in the draft, I think. And no pros got rules lawyery about "who has to announce whether they're taking the DFC first?"
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MiddleEastBeast posted:Which assuming that's true, apparently still wasn't fair enough because this whole thing started with Finkel asking Helene if they'd be using round tables to draft at the PT so all players would have an equal view of all other players' picks rather than the usual rectangular pods. Huh. I actually thought they always used round tables for the PT drafts to begin with. Not sure why I thought that.
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If you are in vintage/legacy assuming infinite dollars, do you just run one-of the Mox's in your colors and Black Lotus. Is that just every deck or are there decks that don't want them like... I dunno RDW?
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Onmi posted:If you are in vintage/legacy assuming infinite dollars, do you just run one-of the Mox's in your colors and Black Lotus. Is that just every deck or are there decks that don't want them like... I dunno RDW? Moxen and lotus are banned in legacy. In vintage, some decks only play on color moxen plus lotus, particularly null rod aggro decks. RDW isn't a thing in vintage.
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Rogue0071 posted:Moxen and lotus are banned in legacy. In vintage, some decks only play on color moxen plus lotus, particularly null rod aggro decks. RDW isn't a thing in vintage. All-in Red used to be a thing in certain Legacy metas, but it has achieved its final form in Eldrazi Stompy.
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Entropic posted:And no pros got rules lawyery about "who has to announce whether they're taking the DFC first?" Timed draft, so I doubt that. Pick a card when you're told to pick a card, or flirt on a Warning on Limited Procedure Violation. There's actually even a bit about situation like this for non-timed drafts in the MTR: quote:If the draft is not being timed, and two players do not wish to make a pick before the other player, the player closer to providing the other player with the pack picks first. If the players are equidistant, then the player in the lower seat number picks first. Pre-sleeving the draft boosters for PT is hilariously clunky, but whatever.
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TheKingofSprings posted:He's right about the second one Immediate 4-of in my bogles deck
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Lunsku posted:Timed draft, so I doubt that. Pick a card when you're told to pick a card, or flirt on a Warning on Limited Procedure Violation. They already had to open, log, and stamp them, so it's not that much worse.
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Mezzanon posted:Immediate 4-of in my bogles deck Yeah, I'd put Peggy hill boggle champ Arlen Texas back together for that poo poo.
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kizudarake posted:Yeah, I'd put Peggy hill boggle champ Arlen Texas back together for that poo poo. Muggsy Bogles and the 1993 Boston Celtics.
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