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CommieGIR posted:It's Liberal_l33t dude. He thinks every Muslim is a fundamentalist. Like Dawkins level paranoid delusion. Hence why I asked to see the data. I doubt it exists but I'm happy to be wrong.
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http://store.steampowered.com/app/448370/ I think this game is perfect fit for this thread.
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Puistokemisti posted:http://store.steampowered.com/app/448370/ Well it does seem repetitive so I see your point. The gameplay seem to be much like those shooters at the arcade where you just aim with a fake gun at the screen and never control any movement, I see great potential here!
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Zudgemud posted:Her claimed intent was to describe the event from the point of Swedish muslims. The full quote is "he has been the president for young muslims (an organization) during difficult situations such as those around the 11 september accidents". The whole comment is about the ties of a (now former) miniser from her party, to Turkish extreme right and Islamist organizations. Too bad the Scandipol thread got gassed, cause otherwise I would be  all over it.That Kaplan had to go sooner or later was clear from the start of his time as minister. His shady connections with a lot of the more orthodox/islamist element have been known for a long time, but Swedish media have ignored it because of fear of accusations of islamophobia. Kaplan have been a smart dude though and have stayed away from too obvious things, until now that is. And just too be clear, there are 3 more muslims among the ministers, Hadzialic, Shekarabi and Baylan(?) without any of the connections, but they are also social democrats and more likely to be properly vetted. Shekarabi is shady in other ways, but in a traditional political fashion (manipulating member stats in the youth organisation). The Green party is obviously suffering from entryism by islamist organisations, that proclaim themselves to be spokespersons for all muslims. Apparently the Green party is also on the verge of electing a dude, who refuses to shake women hands due to religious faith, to the party steering committee. It is kinda ironic with the Green party, who consists of former left wing radicals, that they don't understand the concept of entryism. It is like they haven't learned anything from history.
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Cardiac posted:Too bad the Scandipol thread got gassed, cause otherwise I would be And for those that do not know, the greens are in a ruling coalition with the social democrats. The vice prime minister is from the greens. And one of their few ministers, one who has not actually been that terrible at his job, was shown attending a dinner which was also attended by noted turkish extreme right group gray wolves and some turkish hardcore islamic right wing group. On top of this, another guy present at the event and shown talking to the former minister was the leader of a movement/society for swedish turks, a guy who only days before this minister scandal was in the papers for calling armenians subhuman dogs that should be killed. In short the swedish greens have a serious case of dumb rookie syndrome in regards to actually ruling, something that has been shown consistently since the last election.
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Zudgemud posted:And for those that do not know, the greens are in a ruling coalition with the social democrats. The vice prime minister is from the greens. And one of their few ministers, one who has not actually been that terrible at his job, was shown attending a dinner which was also attended by noted turkish extreme right group gray wolves and some turkish hardcore islamic right wing group. On top of this, another guy present at the event and shown talking to the former minister was the leader of a movement/society for swedish turks, a guy who only days before this minister scandal was in the papers for calling armenians subhuman dogs that should be killed. In short the swedish greens have a serious case of dumb rookie syndrome in regards to actually ruling, something that has been shown consistently since the last election. Calling it "dumb rookie syndrome" doesn't sound right, when one of your ministers compared Swedes fighting for the IS to Swedes that volunteered to defend Finland against Soviet occupation in the Winter War, who compared Israel's treatment of Palestinians to the treatment of Jews by Nazi Germany and who seems to have close ties to not only the AKP but also to various extremist Islamist groups.
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Cardiac posted:The Green party is obviously suffering from entryism by islamist organisations, that proclaim themselves to be spokespersons for all muslims. Apparently the Green party is also on the verge of electing a dude, who refuses to shake women hands due to religious faith, to the party steering committee. It is kinda ironic with the Green party, who consists of former left wing radicals, that they don't understand the concept of entryism. It is like they haven't learned anything from history.
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GaussianCopula posted:Calling it "dumb rookie syndrome" doesn't sound right, when one of your ministers compared Swedes fighting for the IS to Swedes that volunteered to defend Finland against Soviet occupation in the Winter War, who compared Israel's treatment of Palestinians to the treatment of Jews by Nazi Germany and who seems to have close ties to not only the AKP but also to various extremist Islamist groups. The party is the dumb rookie, not the minister who was certainly not ministerial material. The greens party simply keeps shooting themselves in the foot just to reload, cock the hammer and vigorously shoot themselves in the other foot. They are a party built on idealism that work great as an opposition party or a minor coalition member, but they can't seem to adjust to the political pragmatism that is required for actually ruling (such as carefully vetting one of their few ministers and just suck it up that your preferred candidate for the position has some rather unpalatable baggage that are likely to come back and haunt the party). Zudgemud fucked around with this message at 10:25 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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A lot of Green Parties seem to be that way - and frequently have a large collection of moonbats spouting anti-science nonsense. GMO and nuclear power come to mind.
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Tesseraction posted:A lot of Green Parties seem to be that way - and frequently have a large collection of moonbats spouting anti-science nonsense. Might have something to do with many of them being in formed in the literal wake of Chernobyl, just perhaps. Also, the founders were largely what I can only describe as anti-globalisation hippies. Well ours did at least. 
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The British Greens predate Chernobyl but have the same distrust. I once watched their party conference debate nuclear a few years back and it had people in their 60s and 70s screaming like children when the guy tried to suggest looking at the safety/lower waste output of new-generation reactors. He basically had to wait every few sentences for the shouting to die down.
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Cardiac posted:And just too be clear, there are 3 more muslims among the ministers, Hadzialic, Shekarabi and Baylan(?) without any of the connections, but they are also social democrats and more likely to be properly vetted. Shekarabi is shady in other ways, but in a traditional political fashion (manipulating member stats in the youth organisation). Baylan is some sort of Syriac/Assyrian/Chaldean/Christian-whatever.
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Greens tend to go far in their distrust, but I would absolutely prefer if everything went into developing renewables instead of nuclear power.
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I can at least understand why Greens are against nuclear power to some degree, but why do they recruit people that seem to be radical Muslims? I don't see the policy overlap there.
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GaussianCopula posted:I can at least understand why Greens are against nuclear power to some degree, but why do they recruit people that seem to be radical Muslims? I don't see the policy overlap there. Presumably it's an actual case of 'anti-racism' going too far and them allowing harmful opinions in because they patronisingly believe that as a Muslim they can't help it.
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The Finnish green party, back when it was starting up in the 80s, featured such notable intellectuals like Pentti Linkola, who is known for advocating human genocide on a large scale, and having a spirited argument in a Finnish popular science magazine where he explained to a doubting Thomas that the Shoah was a profoundly ecological deed.
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Linkola was never member of the Green Party. He was part of the Koijärvi-movement and some proto-green organizations, but was too
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I thought he was involved in forming whatever it originally was, but left doors banging when the party that was formed wasn't genocidey enough for him? Apologies if I associated the Greens with him erroneously.
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Rappaport posted:I thought he was involved in forming whatever it originally was, but left doors banging when the party that was formed wasn't genocidey enough for him? Apologies if I associated the Greens with him erroneously. He's just a loon, nobody in the green movement ever took him seriously on any level. His only relevance was and remains as a cudgel for right wingers to beat the greens with.
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Define involved. He hung around the people who started the party and had lots of opinions about environmentalism, but he was never in the party so he couldn't leave it either.YF-23 posted:Greens tend to go far in their distrust, but I would absolutely prefer if everything went into developing renewables instead of nuclear power. Why not fusion instead?
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^e; Fusion might be cool, but I don't know how safe it is in case of total failure. If it's completely safe then yeah all for it, but even so it's still a much more experimental technology that would have to get off the ground floor, with renewables there's a bigger practical base to work on. I'm also going to go ahead and say the installation of a fusion reactor is probably much more expensive than that of renewables. Now I'm curious as to how many suicides can be attributed to ecological sensitivities. Whenever I've heard about stuff like the voluntary human extinction project the pro-extinction advocates had all been alive and well. YF-23 fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Courts have ruled Anders Breivik to get updated games consoles. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/20/anders-behring-breiviks-human-rights-violated-in-prison-norway-court-rules
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YF-23 posted:Greens tend to go far in their distrust, but I would absolutely prefer if everything went into developing renewables instead of nuclear power. Renewables is good, when it's not a disguise for coal. Germany is really bad at this. They figure that since trees can grow, then turning wood into charcoal and then burning it is the same as using renewable energy, right? Between that and mined coal (which is mined with gigantic bucket-wheel excavators that destroy old forests, arable lands, and entire villages as they roam around devouring the entire country like the Nothing from the Neverending Story), Germany is objectively much worse off environmentally than if they had went for full-on nuclear power.
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doverhog posted:Why not fusion instead? That's like asking why more money isn't spent on mars colonization. Cat Mattress posted:Renewables is good, when it's not a disguise for coal. Germany is really bad at this. They figure that since trees can grow, then turning wood into charcoal and then burning it is the same as using renewable energy, right? Between that and mined coal (which is mined with gigantic bucket-wheel excavators that destroy old forests, arable lands, and entire villages as they roam around devouring the entire country like the Nothing from the Neverending Story), Germany is objectively much worse off environmentally than if they had went for full-on nuclear power. Not to mention the political implications it has already had for the EU in international politics. loving natural gas and Ukraine.
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Xoidanor posted:That's like asking why more money isn't spent on mars colonization. Good point, think we should do that also.
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Cat Mattress posted:Renewables is good, when it's not a disguise for coal. Germany is really bad at this. They figure that since trees can grow, then turning wood into charcoal and then burning it is the same as using renewable energy, right? Between that and mined coal (which is mined with gigantic bucket-wheel excavators that destroy old forests, arable lands, and entire villages as they roam around devouring the entire country like the Nothing from the Neverending Story), Germany is objectively much worse off environmentally than if they had went for full-on nuclear power. You will be happy to know that my definition of "renewables" is not, in fact, stupid, and the complete opposite of what it is supposed to be.
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YF-23 posted:^e; Fusion might be cool, but I don't know how safe it is in case of total failure. If it's completely safe then yeah all for it, but even so it's still a much more experimental technology that would have to get off the ground floor, with renewables there's a bigger practical base to work on. I'm also going to go ahead and say the installation of a fusion reactor is probably much more expensive than that of renewables. The only ways for a fusion reactor to fail involve some combination of losing sufficient temperature, pressure or feed of material to sustain a reaction. A fusion reactor is much less like a hydrogen bomb being kept at just below the bomb part than fission piles, and even those are pretty drat secure nowadays. You always get contaminated material as waste, so there is that.
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Bedshaped posted:Courts have ruled Anders Breivik to get updated games consoles. Actually from what I understand it's just the solitary confinement that's the violation. I don't think they're under any obligation to let him upgrade from only being allowed to play Herdy Gerdy and Crash Bandicoot*. *I do not know what games he's allowed, just that he whined about only having a PS2 with no shooting games, the giant baby
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Lock the fucker in a cell and only give him Sonic 06 to play.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Lock the fucker in a cell and only give him Sonic 06 to play. Breivik is a mass murderer, but that doesn't mean that wishing crimes against humanity on him is OK.
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YF-23 posted:You will be happy to know that my definition of "renewables" is not, in fact, stupid, and the complete opposite of what it is supposed to be. It is, however, the only definition of renewables that's practical to implement if you also insist on having zero nuclear. Besides rolling out excessive amounts of hydro (destroying all the river habitats) and biomass burning (destroying all the other habitats with land use), that is.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:It is, however, the only definition of renewables that's practical to implement if you also insist on having zero nuclear. Besides rolling out excessive amounts of hydro (destroying all the river habitats) and biomass burning (destroying all the other habitats with land use), that is. Solar Farms.
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Baxta posted:Solar Farms. Kinda hard to do in Germany.
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computer parts posted:Kinda hard to do in Germany. That doesn't seem to stop them though.
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computer parts posted:Kinda hard to do in Germany. According to this document https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/pu...-in-germany.pdf current research suggests that solar energy could make up 10% of total generation by 2020 and 30% by 2050, assuming good market conditions. That seems pretty significant if true.
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steinrokkan posted:According to this document https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/pu...-in-germany.pdf current research suggests that solar energy could make up 10% of total generation by 2020 and 30% by 2050, assuming good market conditions. That seems pretty significant if true. Thats also conservative because it doesn't take into account future technology improvements.
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computer parts posted:Kinda hard to do in Germany. While sunlight is certainly less intense you have gains in efficiency due to shorter distribution networks (many solar panels being directly on site), longer days and lower ambient temperature, so the loss in efficiency is not as horribly great as one might think.
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Zudgemud posted:While sunlight is certainly less intense you have gains in efficiency due to shorter distribution networks (many solar panels being directly on site), longer days and lower ambient temperature, so the loss in efficiency is not as horribly great as one might think. The same gains in efficiency can be made anywhere else, and transmission losses are not that high anyway. mobby_6kl posted:That doesn't seem to stop them though. That's also why our CO2 emissions have all but stopped dropping. steinrokkan posted:According to this document https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/pu...-in-germany.pdf current research suggests that solar energy could make up 10% of total generation by 2020 and 30% by 2050, assuming good market conditions. That seems pretty significant if true. Then add another like 10-20% wind and another like 10% for hydro and biomass and random extra stuff, and we're at maybe 50-60% electricity produced by renewables. Gee, I wonder whether having maybe 20-40% nuke in the mix would help. Also something something electric cars.
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