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Hollismason posted:The Second Level of Durlag's tower is both infuriating and endearing as it's a really cool puzzle ,but it's not to difficult to solve. All of Durlag's so far as been excellent. Baldur's Gate was Bioware's second ever game (the first the long forgotten Shattered Steel, which wasn't an RPG), and it was also regarded as the "revival" of RPGs*. There's a lot of things in Baldur's Gate which don't work brilliantly, because there wasn't a guide out there. Most notably, I'd say, the wilderness areas - the idea of "wander around and have adventures beside your main one" is one thing that low level RPGs tend to do a lot, but actually having to wander your character around maps, without knowing if there's anything there, when the game spent a long time encouraging you to stay on the road isn't great design in my opinion. TotSC benefits from that experience, although bear in mind it is much easier to design a well flowing largely storyless dungeon than it is a whole game. They knock it up a notch with Watcher's Keep, too, in which each floor plays around a lot with different "kinds" of dungeon puzzle and as a whole it can be taken as something of a "dungeon design greatest hits". *Side point: the game came out in 1998, 18 years ago. 18 years before BG1 was Pac Man, Zork and Missile Command!
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Yeah playing this and then playing Pillars it really is cool to see how Pillar's levels are designed. The room with the constantly exploding fireball is pretty great. Also, Durlag's Tower has a story which is kind of interesting. I'm pretty sure he did something to piss off dopplegangers and they killed his whole family which drove him insane.
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I loaded an earlier saved game and apparently the problem with saved game editing breaking saves is gone now. What order should I do the various Athkatlathalaladingdong quests in? Last time I did the Umar Hills and Windspear Hills quests first (bad idea!). I'm doing the Shadow Thieves first to pick up Edwin but the rest I want to do in order of increasing difficulty.
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Apr 20, 2016 04:48
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The Circus and freeing the Copper Coronet slaves seemed pretty easy.
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Easy: Circus Graveyard quests and tomb raiding* Bridge Murders Pebble Crusher Defeat Slavers/Licor * Stick to the single room tombs and save before entering Medium: Thieves Guild Tradesmeet De'Arnise Keep Harder: Temple Ruins Planar Prison Planar Sphere Unseeing Eye Windspear Hill Edit: shamelessly stolen from google. Also if you have someone that can wield azuredge and know how to easily steal the mace of disruption + that sun sword then all the stuff involving undead is made really easy, especially temple ruins. Washout fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Apr 20, 2016 05:28
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The mace of disruption is in Bodhi's lair, chapter 3. Daystar is guarded by a lich but you can cheese it with azuredge which you can steal but really shouldn't because Bernard has a really high chance of catching you and it's dirt cheap anyway.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Baldur's Gate was Bioware's second ever game (the first the long forgotten Shattered Steel, which wasn't an RPG), and it was also regarded as the "revival" of RPGs*. Dunno if it was a good idea or not, but I found myself endeared by the concept of fighting other heroes who all had these gimmicks, like "the fastest dart thrower in the west" or "all female party of adventurers out for bounties" or "noblemen out for a hunt deciding on a human quarry" were things I had never seen in a game before and I found were really fun and interesting challenges to overcome. Heck, even a nerd with a stick standing on some stairs trying to kill you while you are just a babe was, while kind of unfair, a really memorable encounter. It's like the whole leaping loving wizards. Hollismason posted:How are you all killing Drizzt? Just letting the Gnolls kill him? In BG:EE the whole summoning monsters deal tends to backfire really fast, because Drizzt will attack and turn hostile if you summon any gnolls by chance. So the easy way is to get a bow, a bunch of 80-quarry arrows (6 stacks might be enough) and four friends, Take your friends, place them around Drizzt, and watch him get stuck. While he is stuck, walk right up next to the party members in order as you dismiss them, one-by-one. This is important! You don't want them walking from their spot to talk to you about how they are leaving the party. With that said and done, drink a potion of haste if you have any and start shooting. If he starts casting a spell, it's probably a dispel for the potion, so run around him to avoid it (if you can at least) and keep firing. You'll only ever hit on a natural 20, so put the game in the background and just watch some stuff while the game runs in the background and be privy to the two best scimitars in the game and an okay chain shirt. Mordaedil fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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So I made it through Chapter 4 in BG2:EE, and I took the long route by taking the boat and going through the City of Caverns. I love the conversation you have with the beholder who's guarding the chest. "Sixty years with only two imps and a mad fish-king for company. Is this Hell?" Now that I've made into the Underdark. Is there anything I should do or know in particular?
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Apr 20, 2016 09:32
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Kill everything and everyone.
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Apr 20, 2016 09:47
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The silver dragon and maybe the Svirfneblin can live, but yes the time will eventually come to make your dad proud again.
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Kavak posted:The silver dragon and maybe the Svirfneblin can live, but yes the time will eventually come to make your dad proud again. Def kill the silver dragon tho.
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Apr 20, 2016 10:07
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Washout posted:Def kill the silver dragon tho. She just wants her babies back 
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Apr 20, 2016 10:11
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Then she shouldn't have been a dragon. I mean, what did she expect? NOT to get killed by the murderhobo??
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Apr 20, 2016 11:46
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Silver dragons are good dragons though.
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Apr 20, 2016 12:01
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And she doesn't even have a hoard to be plundered. Lady just wants her babies back.
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Apr 20, 2016 12:02
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I'm starting to see what Mordaedil meant.
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Apr 20, 2016 12:06
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I guess you guys have never played the Valen mod heh "oh it's just an evil NPC mod, what could poss  "
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Apr 20, 2016 12:17
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Rape? Pedophilia? Bestiality?
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Mordaedil posted:Dunno if it was a good idea or not, but I found myself endeared by the concept of fighting other heroes who all had these gimmicks, like "the fastest dart thrower in the west" or "all female party of adventurers out for bounties" or "noblemen out for a hunt deciding on a human quarry" were things I had never seen in a game before and I found were really fun and interesting challenges to overcome. All the individual encounters are, by themselves, interesting and add a lot of character to the low level world of BG1
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Holy poo poo why is the Planar Prison itself so much harder than rescuing Haer'Dalis? At least with Firkraag the difficulty was clear the moment I started it. I had to turn on Story Mode again just to get past the first Bounty Hunter fight, something I never touched even once in BG I or Dragonspear
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MrL_JaKiri posted:All the individual encounters are, by themselves, interesting and add a lot of character to the low level world of BG1 It's kind of a setting I kinda miss seeing even in modern RPG's honestly. The low-level stuff in AD&D works surprisingly well regardless of your stats at start.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Baldur's Gate was Bioware's second ever game (the first the long forgotten Shattered Steel, which wasn't an RPG), and it was also regarded as the "revival" of RPGs*. RE: the wilderness: I got the game pretty much when it came out (in Finland), having played both Fallouts (or just 1? I can't remember the chronology), and 18 years ago BG 1 seemed inviting enough to rampage all through the countryside. I obviously can't remember what I did in the first games of it I played, but I think there's a fairly straightforward chain of investigating the road between Friendly Arm and Beregost, Beregost encourages you to go kill Bassilus, you find a +2 short sword for Imoen on the same map (and the poor chicken who guides you to a big shop of magic), and another map over you have the coast with the sirines and the Gift of Peace. By the time you're knocking about Cloudpeak mountains you've been given plenty of evidence that LOOT and EXPERIENCE is to be had just by de-fog-of-warring everything. The game isn't super railroaded, but I find this is a plus over BG 2 and its awkward "keep Imoen waiting for three months while I quest everything" thing. Having just replayed BG1, there's less stuff than I seem to remember from way back when, but I think I've been spoiled by BG2 and other games.
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Kavak posted:Holy poo poo why is the Planar Prison itself so much harder than rescuing Haer'Dalis? At least with Firkraag the difficulty was clear the moment I started it. I had to turn on Story Mode again just to get past the first Bounty Hunter fight, something I never touched even once in BG I or Dragonspear How's your party looking at the moment?
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e X posted:How's your party looking at the moment? Cavalier, 11 Minsc, 11 Anomen, 11, close to 12 Jaheira, 9/12 Yoshimo, 13 Aerie,  , close to 10/11I actually turned Core Rules back on and somehow did it legitimately!  This is not an unfair game, I'm just not used to constant multi-caster fights and for RP reasons I won't rest more than absolutely necessary which is really gimping me.Rappaport posted:The game isn't super railroaded, but I find this is a plus over BG 2 and its awkward "keep Imoen waiting for three months while I quest everything" thing. The other option is to let Suldanessellar burn for several months after killing Bodhi- it's not like they didn't have it coming. Joking aside, I feel the same way- I like BG I's pace and especially tone a lot more.
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You can just not go to spellhold and just live in your giant orb I've found
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What was Irenicus' plan going to become if you turned out to be a gigantic pussy and refused to come to him? Would he leave Spellhold to hunt you down eventually?
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Why did he pick CHARNAME in the first place? The joke in TOB suggests he could've gotten a Bhaal-soul from a kobold/xvart/whatever tiny monster that wouldn't be as much of a pain in the rear end as CHARNAME.
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Skwirl posted:These look terrible to me, much worse than what they're based on. eh, to me they fit better with the bg2 portraits for those bgt playthroughs and at least their faces aren't melting off like most bg2 style portraits i've seen.
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Rappaport posted:Why did he pick CHARNAME in the first place? The joke in TOB suggests he could've gotten a Bhaal-soul from a kobold/xvart/whatever tiny monster that wouldn't be as much of a pain in the rear end as CHARNAME. They clearly had crap souls, he was after A Great Soul
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Rappaport posted:Why did he pick CHARNAME in the first place? The joke in TOB suggests he could've gotten a Bhaal-soul from a kobold/xvart/whatever tiny monster that wouldn't be as much of a pain in the rear end as CHARNAME. You're supposed to be really powerful by Bhaalspawn standards, since you're the protagonist and all. What's the joke exactly? Vikar Jerome posted:eh, to me they fit better with the bg2 portraits for those bgt playthroughs and at least their faces aren't melting off like most bg2 style portraits i've seen. I like Faldorn's 
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So are there any recommended UI mods for BG2 yet? I remember seeing some interesting screenshots here, but googling and looking at the Beamdog forums didn't really net any results. Is everyone working on SoD mods for now?
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Vikar Jerome posted:eh, to me they fit better with the bg2 portraits for those bgt playthroughs and at least their faces aren't melting off like most bg2 style portraits i've seen. 
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Kavak posted:Rape? Pedophilia? Bestiality? worse, she choses dialog for you and you have no choice but to be actually evil i.e. the Silver Dragon and other things
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Washout posted:Kill everything and everyone. No don't do this, you miss the chance to participate in an elaborate double double cross that is one of the coolest moments in the game. Do everything Solaufein tells you to do, his path leads to the awesome meta-backstabbing.
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The Real Foogla posted:worse, she choses dialog for you and you have no choice but to be actually evil Well it was what you were going to do anyway, why would you ever disagree with Doesn't the Chloe mod do that as well?
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Kavak posted:You're supposed to be really powerful by Bhaalspawn standards, since you're the protagonist and all. What's the joke exactly? Somewhere in TOB you run into literally a xvart, kobold and some third insignificant monster who all claim to be Bhaalspawn. I don't remember where this happens tho
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Given how hard to mod the infinity engine is, people still making their dumb Mary Sues mods is certainly dedication. edit: ^ I think it's in the Wandering Mountains and iirc, it's a chinchilla.
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Rappaport posted:Somewhere in TOB you run into literally a xvart, kobold and some third insignificant monster who all claim to be Bhaalspawn. I don't remember where this happens tho Bhaal was going for quantity, not quality.
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Kavak posted:Doesn't the Chloe mod do that as well? Nope, but she will leave the party with all her gear after the point of no return in Suldanessellar if she doesn't like you enough. And if Imoen's in the party, Chloe takes Imoen with her due to her magnetic demigoddess lesbian kensai personality. Also her mother, a greater deity, pops in during Spellhold to upgrade her swords to ToB endgame quality.
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