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Zachack
Jun 1, 2000




I enjoyed Fables up until about issue 75, which resolves the main conflict up to that point. In that approximately 1600 pages of comics you will get 2 or 3 pages about Israel being #1, zero pages about Benghazi, maybe a few pages about abortion but that might have been after issue 75 and it's somewhat in-universe.

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bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Zachack posted:

I enjoyed Fables up until about issue 75, which resolves the main conflict up to that point. In that approximately 1600 pages of comics you will get 2 or 3 pages about Israel being #1, zero pages about Benghazi, maybe a few pages about abortion but that might have been after issue 75 and it's somewhat in-universe.

Not sure when it was mentioned but the main witch gains power from killing babies and she is able up keep doing that by funding abortion clinics

The Ol Spicy Keychain
Jan 17, 2013

I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE
:lol: jesus

I think I'll check out that video game like one of you recommended instead.

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

I'm on Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers run.

Considering Spider-Man seems to be a miserable angry egotistical oval office every panel he's in, I assume that this is the Doc Ock-controlled version of the character? Is this persistent for the entirety of the Avengers run into Secret Wars?

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Toxxupation posted:

I'm on Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers run.

Considering Spider-Man seems to be a miserable angry egotistical oval office every panel he's in, I assume that this is the Doc Ock-controlled version of the character? Is this persistent for the entirety of the Avengers run into Secret Wars?

He is sort of shunted off pretty quickly once Doc Ock took over. He pops back up towards the end, but it's Peter again at that point.

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer
Is the Wonder Woman '77 stuff anywhere near as fun as the Batman '66 comic?

Jedi
Feb 27, 2002


Scent of Worf posted:

:lol: jesus

I think I'll check out that video game like one of you recommended instead.

The game is fine, but really, do this:

Senor Candle posted:

The first trade of fables is fine. If you really like it the. Keep reading until you get to something that makes you stop.

It's been awhile since I read it, but the first trade is a lot of fun. I don't seem to recall anything too political in there. It's a fun take on classic fairy tales.

Mover
Jun 30, 2008


Yeah, I read quite a bit of Fables without knowing about the author being a lovely dude and didn't notice his politics until learning about him after the fact. I think it's at least worth reading up through (without any spoilers) Little Boy Blue's story, and maybe Frogcatcher's. Also agreeing that The Wolf Among Us is great.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

redbackground posted:

Is the Wonder Woman '77 stuff anywhere near as fun as the Batman '66 comic?

Not really, mostly because the show doesn't lend itself to wholesale comic-bookiness as well as the West Batman did.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Does she skateboard in WW '77?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y_Gro8hRBE

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

I'm on the "Time Runs Out" arc of Hickman's A/NA/Infinity/Secret Wars run, and it's basically hit the point where every issue I refuse to believe the stakes could possibly get higher or it could get any more chokingly tense and somehow it does. Every single time.

I haven't read a lot of western comics, admittedly, but I can say with confidence that Hickman's Dark Reign: Fantastic Four to Secret Wars "run" is the best comic arc I've ever read.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Toxxupation posted:

I'm on the "Time Runs Out" arc of Hickman's A/NA/Infinity/Secret Wars run, and it's basically hit the point where every issue I refuse to believe the stakes could possibly get higher or it could get any more chokingly tense and somehow it does. Every single time.

I haven't read a lot of western comics, admittedly, but I can say with confidence that Hickman's Dark Reign: Fantastic Four to Secret Wars "run" is the best comic arc I've ever read.

There is a good argument to make that Hickman is the current best comic book writer. If you like this stuff check out his SHEILD stuff which is bonkers and amazing. although it is unfinished. Secret Warriors is also amazing although it was cut short because of sales. It was a book before he was a superstar, so it was unfortunately not bought instantly by everyone.

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

I can't imagine what the reaction of everyone who read A/NA when it was running were like when Rabum Alal's identity was revealed.

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer

Toxxupation posted:

I can't imagine what the reaction of everyone who read A/NA when it was running were like when Rabum Alal's identity was revealed.
It was a good day.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Toxxupation posted:

I haven't read a lot of western comics, admittedly, but I can say with confidence that Hickman's Dark Reign: Fantastic Four to Secret Wars "run" is the best comic arc I've ever read.

You should definitely check out his indie stuff. I love Manhattan Projects a whole lot.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Toxxupation posted:

I can't imagine what the reaction of everyone who read A/NA when it was running were like when Rabum Alal's identity was revealed.

It was great. But also a headslapping moment because of course that's who he would use. Like there was any other choice when it came to Hickman. For my money as much as I loved his Avengers run nothing in his whole Marvel run tops the "Rise! To me, my Galactus!" moment. Those pages were magic.

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

X-O posted:

For my money as much as I loved his Avengers run nothing in his whole Marvel run tops the "Rise! To me, my Galactus!" moment. Those pages were magic.

Yeah, either that or that whole Negative Zone bit with EVERYTHING...LIVES. Or, really, anything about #587-#588.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

His indie stuff is good, but he plays such a long game I prefer to read him in trade. The world building in East of West is insane, but the plot speed is glacial.

SirDan3k
Jan 6, 2001

Trust me, you are taking this a lot more seriously then I am.

X-O posted:

It was great. But also a headslapping moment because of course that's who he would use. Like there was any other choice when it came to Hickman. For my money as much as I loved his Avengers run nothing in his whole Marvel run tops the "Rise! To me, my Galactus!" moment. Those pages were magic.

I'm more sad about Franklin not having Galactus with him then the whole Ben and Johnny staying thing.

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

So, I finished Jonathan Hickman's run starting from Dark Reign: Fantastic Four, continuing on through his Fantastic Four/FF runs, going into Avengers/New Avengers/Infinity, and ending with and on Secret Wars.

It ended up being 195 issues of content.

What a thing that was.

I'm...not sure what to do with myself, to be honest. Also, not entirely sure what happened at the end there. It kinda collapsed under its own weight by the end (dunno what the point or significance of Black Swan ended up being, or how exactly the new universes are different (especially considering that there's only one overarcing Marvel Universe moving forward, right? No 616/1015 split any more?), or what T'Challa transporting back in time actually ended up doing...but I guess it still mostly worked, and considering how it all started its final page is as perfect as it could realistically be.)

NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Apr 17, 2016

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer

Toxxupation posted:

I can't imagine what the reaction of everyone who read A/NA when it was running were like when Rabum Alal's identity was revealed.

You can read the BSS reaction from here.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Toxxupation posted:

I'm...not sure what to do with myself, to be honest. Also, not entirely sure what happened at the end there. It kinda collapsed under its own weight by the end (dunno what the point or significance of Black Swan ended up being, or how exactly the new universes are different (especially considering that there's only one overarcing Marvel Universe moving forward, right? No 616/1015 split any more?), or what T'Challa transporting back in time actually ended up doing...but I guess it still mostly worked, and considering how it all started its final page is as perfect as it could realistically be.)

The significant things are Miles Morales, Old Man Logan and Ultimate Reed being shifted into the main universe and Doom carrying on from where SW left him (Bendis' Iron Man), plus the Richards family getting sidelined, which is Beeee Esss.
Hickman is out at this point, but you might wanna try Ultimates which carries on the big old crazy cosmic concepts thing in his stead.

Dunbar
Feb 21, 2003

Also it looks like the old Earth designators are back because in the current Spider Women crossover, they're stuck on Earth-65, which was the previous home of SpiderGwen before Secret Wars. I guess Franklin has been busy recreating universes.

Jedi
Feb 27, 2002


Dunbar posted:

Also it looks like the old Earth designators are back because in the current Spider Women crossover, they're stuck on Earth-65, which was the previous home of SpiderGwen before Secret Wars. I guess Franklin has been busy recreating universes.

This is the part I don't get, unless I misunderstood what the whole idea behind Secret Wars was. I thought they just wanted one universe - thus the incursions and destruction of the multiverse.

EDIT: Not sure if I need to spoil that, but I'll be safe just in case.

Jedi fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Apr 17, 2016

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Jedi posted:

This is the part I don't get, unless I misunderstood what the whole idea behind Secret Wars was. I thought they just wanted one universe - thus the incursions and destruction of the multiverse.

EDIT: Not sure if I need to spoil that, but I'll be safe just in case.

I thought the end of the series should him remaking universes

Mover
Jun 30, 2008


Jedi posted:

This is the part I don't get, unless I misunderstood what the whole idea behind Secret Wars was. I thought they just wanted one universe - thus the incursions and destruction of the multiverse.

EDIT: Not sure if I need to spoil that, but I'll be safe just in case.

Nah, I think a lot of people speculated it would be something like that or else a continuity reboot mostly because of how DC has had their several big, multiverse ending events to accomplish the same thing.

Secret wars was only ever meant as a capstone to Hickman's multi year FF/Avengers/Dr Doom story and an excuse to have fun and tell as many really cool What If/continuity porn stories as they wanted for half a year.

They did give the Ultimate universe a final send off with it, but the infinite multiverse as a whole is here to stay.

SirDan3k
Jan 6, 2001

Trust me, you are taking this a lot more seriously then I am.
It was basically Marvel's Crisis on Infinite Earths except they actually save all the universes in the end.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

SirDan3k posted:

It was basically Marvel's Crisis on Infinite Earths except they actually save all the universes in the end.

The only one that was destroyed had some survivors due to being an rear end in a top hat or pocket burgers.

bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Apr 18, 2016

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Hey they saved all the universes in Crisis on Infinite Earths. Sure, maybe it happened 30 years later in another event but it still happened.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

bobkatt013 posted:

The only one that was destroyed had some survivors due to being an rear end in a top hat or sandwich burgers.

Owen's choices there were weird. "OK, kid, I'll save your mom and dad and grandma and best friend and, um, that one girl you kinda maybe have a thing for but are in denial about?" Did he bring Miles' orthodontist and postman over too?

NieR Occomata
Jan 18, 2009

Glory to Mankind.

Look you ever been shopping while you're hungry? You always end up picking way more food than you could ever conceivably eat.

Mover
Jun 30, 2008


hm so, a little bit different but back in 1975 Julio Cortazar of all people wrote a full-on Fantomas comic book (Fantomas Versus the Multinational Vampires) that was supposedly quite good and very metatextual hybrid of prose and graphic novel. It's been on the back of my mind for a long time but I just found out it was finally translated into english a couple of years ago.

Has anyone read it? Thoughts, would you reccomend?

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Any old dudes remember DC Invasion? There's a new trade out https://www.comixology.com/Invasion-Secret-No-More/digital-comic/358385?ref=c2l0ZS9pbmRleC9kZXNrdG9wL3NsaWRlckxpc3QvMTA4NTc
Worth reading? I'm reading JLI and Suicide Squad right now, so I'm in the time period.

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer

Teenage Fansub posted:

Any old dudes remember DC Invasion? There's a new trade out https://www.comixology.com/Invasion-Secret-No-More/digital-comic/358385?ref=c2l0ZS9pbmRleC9kZXNrdG9wL3NsaWRlckxpc3QvMTA4NTc
Worth reading? I'm reading JLI and Suicide Squad right now, so I'm in the time period.
I say go for it.

Mode 7
Jul 28, 2007

Can anyone recommend me some comics focusing on magic/magicians/wizards? The weirder the better. I've read a significant chunk of Dr. Strange's various runs, Hellblazer, Gaiman's Books of Magic... I also read the first volume of Promethea but it didn't grab me.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Sodomy Non Sapiens posted:

Can anyone recommend me some comics focusing on magic/magicians/wizards? The weirder the better. I've read a significant chunk of Dr. Strange's various runs, Hellblazer, Gaiman's Books of Magic... I also read the first volume of Promethea but it didn't grab me.

It's not exactly magic, but China Miéville's Dial H would probably appeal. It's about an obese shlub who happens upon a telephone dial that turns him into random superheroes, which are all increasingly ridiculous and surreal.






I'm reading the 90's Shade The Changing Man right now because of the upcoming Gerard Way thing and it stars an alien who manipulates reality and battles personified madness. That's all wacked out.

In a similar vain, Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol is a great surreal comic.

e: What's the name of that golden age superwizard hero that inflates bad guys' heads and throws them into the sun, again?

Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Apr 20, 2016

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
Stardust The Super Wizard

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Uuuuh! Seek ye me?
Is the DC Earth-2 stuff that's on sale right now on Comixology any good? It's Earth-2, World's End, Society, and World's Finest. I've had a certain doomed alternate timeline itch ever since I read Dragonball when I was a kid and this seems like it would scratch that pretty good.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


I really liked Earth 2, but I stopped reading after Robinson left so I don't know if it ends as well as it started

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bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Opopanax posted:

I really liked Earth 2, but I stopped reading after Robinson left so I don't know if it ends as well as it started

Tom Taylor's run is pretty good.

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