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hoiyes posted:Yeah, I mean this makes sense for the general population, but small presence isn't a problem for young idealists, who usually would flock to the most left party regardless of size. As someone that recently graduated from college with an useless degree (I'm "de humanas", yeah), I can tell you there's a number of people flocking towards PSOL nowadays. gently caress, I think most of my friends that care about politics voted PSOL first and then PT just so PSDB wouldn't win.
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The best thing about humanas is you're probably going to end up working surrounded by other like-minded humanas graduates. If I had to punch the clock then and listen to how Bolsonaro was the great white hope for nine hours a day I'd have thrown myself out a window long ago.
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hoiyes posted:The best thing about humanas is you're probably going to end up working surrounded by other like-minded humanas graduates. If I had to punch the clock then and listen to how Bolsonaro was the great white hope for nine hours a day I'd have thrown myself out a window long ago. Oh, no, no, no...I'm an advertising major. There's no silver lining here.
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Billmon has a good general internationalist overview on his storify. https://storify.com/billmon1/the-dilemma-of-democratic-socialism Don't know how to embed tweets, so pardon my formatting. quote:9) And of course, if Brazil (or any country) impeached every political leader for trying to avoid austerity ahead of an election...
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Although IMO it's way more readable this way than a billion of embedded tweets. Thanks for posting it.
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There's gonna be an internet price hike in 3 months now since they are gonna emulate the incredibly retarded comcast plan of charging for data used instead of giving unlimited data.
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Elias_Maluco posted:To get elected and stay in power and implement its project, PT bought the support of a whole lot of corrupts, including politicians, capitalists, big landowners etc. They bought those people and payed for it with public money, either in cash (stolen cash) or public jobs in the government, state companies (like petrobras...), contracts. This allowed then to have the support they needed in congress and in the elections and nearly endless funds for massive campaigns (there are a lot of proof already that Dilma's campaigns were fueled with money stolen from the government through petrobras and Belo Monte and other means). The notion of it being in a "very impressive" scale is undercut by pretty much all the evidence that is used to convict members of PT themselves. Both the mensalao investigation and the Lava Jato investigation. Both investigations make it very, very clear that they were the continuation of schemes that started under FHC. Does it make PT innocent or less corrupt? No. But the notion that it has taken it to another level is not supported by any of the evidence available (and that is without ever mentioning some of the FHC-only era scandals, like the telecom privatizations and PROER). On another note, Bolsonaro (the guy who praised the torturers from the last military dictatorship) leads polls among those who make at least 10 times or more the minimum wage: http://revistapiaui.estadao.com.br/questoes-da-politica/entre-os-mais-ricos-bolsonaro-lidera-corrida-presidencial/ Edit: And after its owner congratulated his employees for Dilma's impeachment, they decided to run a profile on Temer's wife. Who will, according to them, be the "Brazilian Grace Kelly." What with her youth and beauty, since she married Temer when she was 20 and he was 62. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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joepinetree posted:On another note, Bolsonaro (the guy who praised the torturers from the last military dictatorship) leads polls among those who make at least 10 times or more the minimum wage: Jesus fuckin' Christ on a spitroast. He's also the one politician that gets more popular the richer (and more educated, believe it or not) the polled are, which really shouldn't be a thing. Add to that my personal theory that Bolsonaro is that popular amongst the affluent Brazilians because he really trends on the Internet, so more mainstream media coverage might actually increase his overall popularity...
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Ok, and how about this: http://politica.estadao.com.br/blogs/fausto-macedo/delcidio-tratou-com-dilma-sobre-liberacao-de-marcelo-odebrecht-confirma-delator/ Also, while I have no doubt that corruption also occurred under FHC, PSDB had the presidency for 8 years, and when FHC left the economy and the government accounts were in good shape, which enabled Lula to pursue his social reforms. PT had the presidency for 13 years now, and its corruption and incompetence pretty much destroyed Petrobras and sunk Brazil on its worst crisis in many decades. In their desperation to reelect Dilma, PT handled the crisis everyone knew it was bound to happen with populist measures that now are responsible for the catastrophic situation we are in, social programs being cut and the rising inflation and unemployment undoing any gains the poor had under PT. Widespread corruption is pretty much the rule here, of course. But under PT it does seems like it was specially predatory and destructive
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:There's gonna be an internet price hike in 3 months now since they are gonna emulate the incredibly retarded comcast plan of charging for data used instead of giving unlimited data. I remember last time they had that poo poo. It was awful even back when the "broadband" was 512kbps. Space Kablooey fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:There's gonna be an internet price hike in 3 months now since they are gonna emulate the incredibly retarded comcast plan of charging for data used instead of giving unlimited data. Where is this coming from?
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hoiyes posted:Where is this coming from? Haven't you heard? Most major internet companies have stated they'll introduce data caps to broadband internet, starting next year (or this year, if you acquired a new plan). They're also pretty laughable caps, 100GB for a 15/3 connection, almost no plans with more than 200GB, so if you need extra data you're gonna have to pay a premium.
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I hadn't heard anything. How's fibre optic affected? Same deal? Edit: is this being caused by a legislative change, or just companies deciding to grab more cash for a worse service?
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hoiyes posted:Where is this coming from? It's on Folha: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mercado/2016/04/1762387-era-da-banda-larga-fixa-ilimitada-acabou-diz-presidente-da-anatel.shtml
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Elias_Maluco posted:Ok, and how about this: Are you serious? Are you really going to selectively quote Lava Jato? Do I have to link Cervero saying it all started under FHC, that Sergio Guerra took in 10 million dollars to shut down a congressional inquiry? Cervero saying that FHC took in US$100 million? Do we have to go over Odebrecht's spreadsheet? Hell, let me link two things: http://g1.globo.com/politica/operacao-lava-jato/noticia/2016/03/delcidio-mudancas-em-furnas-deram-inicio-conflito-entre-dilma-e-cunha.html http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2016/03/1750190-delcidio-diz-que-esquema-na-petrobras-era-semelhante-no-governo-fhc.shtml quote:Also, while I have no doubt that corruption also occurred under FHC, PSDB had the presidency for 8 years, and when FHC left the economy and the government accounts were in good shape, which enabled Lula to pursue his social reforms. Here's your "government accounts were in good shape"  In fact, right now, in the middle of this mess, Brazill's sovereign risk ratings are still better than it was in August of 2002 http://www.tradingeconomics.com/brazil/rating quote:PT had the presidency for 13 years now, and its corruption and incompetence pretty much destroyed Petrobras and sunk Brazil on its worst crisis in many decades. In their desperation to reelect Dilma, PT handled the crisis everyone knew it was bound to happen with populist measures that now are responsible for the catastrophic situation we are in, social programs being cut and the rising inflation and unemployment undoing any gains the poor had under PT. The notion that " under PT it does seems like it was specially predatory and destructive" is not supported by any of the investigations. I mean, if you are going to use Delcidio as evidence, then at least don't use him selectively: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2016/03/1750190-delcidio-diz-que-esquema-na-petrobras-era-semelhante-no-governo-fhc.shtml joepinetree fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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hoiyes posted:I hadn't heard anything. How's fibre optic affected? Same deal? Same deal, and it comes from the companies (Anatel, supposedly our regulating entity for this type of poo poo is sitting on their hands/actually supporting the change). All the major players are adopting similar data caps - I think only Live TIM (which only operates in some cities in Rio) and Copel (which only operates in Curitiba) aren't. So yeah, Brazil's poo poo and we can't even pretend it ain't while we binge-watch series on Netflix.
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Dias posted:Add to that my personal theory that Bolsonaro is that popular amongst the affluent Brazilians because he really trends on the Internet, so more mainstream media coverage might actually increase his overall popularity...  But I don't think this makes sense (at least I don't want to believe it does) because the average brazilian internet person definitely isn't making 10 times the minimum wage so I don't think Bolsonaro getting more space in the mainstream would have a very significant impact in his popularity.
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SexyBlindfold posted:In other news, Patricio Aylwin is dead.  I can't hate on him too much. It was fun seeing everyone making the appropriate polite noises, though.
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In news that I am sure will just SHOCK all of you, an empty congress (since Cunha gave them the week off after having sessions all through last week to speed up the impeachment process) has just decided that the ethics commission in charge of determining whether to remove Cunha from office cannot use most of the evidence from Lava Jato in their investigation. http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2016/04/1762706-vice-da-camara-limita-investigacao-de-cunha-e-abre-caminho-para-pizza.shtml
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:There's gonna be an internet price hike in 3 months now since they are gonna emulate the incredibly retarded comcast plan of charging for data used instead of giving unlimited data. My condolences
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joepinetree posted:Are you serious? Are you really going to selectively quote Lava Jato? Do I have to link Cervero saying it all started under FHC, that Sergio Guerra took in 10 million dollars to shut down a congressional inquiry? Cervero saying that FHC took in US$100 million? Do we have to go over Odebrecht's spreadsheet? I could give you a lot of links too, with accusations about Petrobras, Belo Monte, Vale, BNDES, you name it. So what? It wanst really my intention to discuss who is more or less corrupt, my point PT administration was very corrupt and in a very widespread and destructive way. There was always money being stolen from petrobras, of course it was. But PT let it be nearly destroyed (http://g1.globo.com/economia/mercados/noticia/2016/03/petrobras-tem-2-maior-prejuizo-anual-da-historia-entre-empresas-da-bolsa.html) joepinetree posted:Here's your "government accounts were in good shape" Alright, "good shape" was somewhat of an overstatement, but it wanst so bad either. How about "not sinking into the worst economic crisis in at least 50 years"? A crisis that Dilma denied and managed to delay in 2014, for electoral purposes, irresponsibly, which only made it a lot worse, and that is still on the beginning anyway
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Elias_Maluco posted:I could give you a lot of links too, with accusations about Petrobras, Belo Monte, Vale, BNDES, you name it. So what? It wanst really my intention to discuss who is more or less corrupt, my point PT administration was very corrupt and in a very widespread and destructive way. yay corruption olympics! it's a fast paced race to the bottom! also, lol @ "the worst economic crisis in at least 50 years", you are probably correct though, the entirety of the 80's were a breeze compared to the current situation, i miss those price label machines, they were fun. also, just for fun, Petrobras was valued at about 15.2 billion dollars, which is about 21 billion in 2016 dollars. according to your link, petrobras is now valued at 121 billion dollars, so even in destroying a company PT sucks. they should sink a oil rig to accomplish their goals faster... Magrov fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Magrov posted:yay corruption olympics! it's a fast paced race to the bottom! Dont take my word for it http://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2016/02/16/economia/1455636966_063602.html EDIT: and maybe I am really more critical to PT corruption than PSDB, and that's affecting my perception. Maybe that's because I voted for PT in all elections since 2002. Because I really believed they were different, when they were in the opposition and accusing the corruption of PMDB and PSDB all the time. And I still believed then when they made alliances with Collor, Sarney, Cunha, Maluf, Kassab. And I still defended then after mensalão. But as more and more dirty kept being revealed, one day I could not defend it anymore. I do feel very betrayed, and at the same time very annoyed by the way most of the left are still justifying and defending those people, and falling for those dishonest narratives about PT being outed because of its social reforms abd because "the poor man is traveling by plane" and all that bullshit. I never saw a single sane person in the right defending Cunha, or even Aécio. Most of then dont even like FHC, and none would swear for his integrity. To the left I have a lot friends still defending Dirceu as a hero Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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re: economics it's all relative guyse (source: *~~I almost finished my economics degree~~* ) Let's make one thing absolutely clear, which all main parties have agreed to once Lula got elected: there was no structural change in the national economy nor in its international insertion. And those things are far more fundamental than corruption. The total cost of corruption in our country is estimated by the FIESP (federation of industries of the state of São Paulo) to be around R$ 85 billion. loving massive, really, but still... ...Not as big as the real, huge, tremendous and loving massive issue of being a dependent economy. We used 42% of the federal budget in 2015 to pay interest. That amounts to R$ 962 billion. This is the main and fundamental problem. This is, until we actually get a debt audition going, the far more pressing issue at hand. We, as a population, don't give much of a poo poo because it isn't ~~illegal~~, but to have banks and other financial operators earning so much money from profiting from state debt should be highly immoral. (particularly more so in the case that our financial sector is highly averse to risk and averse to entrepreneurship in general, which makes those profits highly unlikely to end up being invested in other things; however, that can be said elsewhere not just in Brazil) Not to mention that the other sort of corruption that is far less talked about - tax evasion - costs actualy MORE than conventional corruption to us in a year. As it is of 2016, it has costed us R$ 157 billion. No government, be it FHC, Lula or Dilma, actually tackled those issues. Dilma had the opportunity to look into auditing the debt but she veto'ed the proposal (probably for political reasons).
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Now, now, Whiteyfats. The USA certainly doesn't help, but leave us some agency. There are a lot of reasons Brazil is what it is, and most of them have nothing to do with the USA. You can argue that american influence served to calcify its worst aspects from the early 20th century forward, and there would be merit to that. You can point to the place being founded upon the short-term ambition of foreign elites early on (Who would come in, reap what they could for a few years, then skedaddle back to Portugal to live high on the hog; "Wealth from boldness rather than enterprise", as put by Sergio Buarque). You can point to the iron grip of aristocracies flowing into each other almost seamlessly, making real change or revolution impossible. Even the country's Independence and Republic were both declared top-down via court intrigue, with no popular friction or input. We've been way too good at 'changing things do things stay the same', for way, way too long. Or the personalist culture that cares more about having powerful, popular leaders rather than actual movements to defend a set of causes, making every achievement unstable and temporary. You can even blame the 'friendly' nature of our prejudices, which makes them so easy to conceal. We have no ethnic guerillas, no religious wars, no separatism worth the name, and yet racial, religious and economic hatreds are ingrained bone-deep even in our most progressive people and institutions, and will rear up to scuttle chances for improvement at a moment's notice.
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Sephyr posted:Now, now, Whiteyfats. The USA certainly doesn't help, but leave us some agency. There are a lot of reasons Brazil is what it is, and most of them have nothing to do with the USA. You can argue that american influence served to calcify its worst aspects from the early 20th century forward, and there would be merit to that. Special highlight to the military dictatorship years that had the CIA deeply involved with it. Other than that I'd say that USA's economic influence in Brazil is... Pretty much the same as every country in the world, which is a whole other political can of worms.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Dont take my word for it Whose words? Because that piece has a bunch of "some economists claim" and then undercuts its own argument by having a bunch of named ones still pointing out that income is higher and unemployment lower than in 2002. And I don't think anyone is defending Dilma. But the notion that what is going on is somehow historically unprecedented is not supported by actual history. Finally, not having any "sane person on the right" defending Cunha or Aecio is meaningless when the same corruption that PT is involved in gets no reaction from them. When you have PSDB openly negotiating with Delcidio so that he can retract his mention of Aecio and say more about Dilma in exchange for PSDB voting against him losing his seat, when you have Cunha getting away completely free, and the same supposedly anti-corruption social movements say nothing, there is no need to defend them.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Cunha said that the house of representatives aren't gonna legislate poo poo until Senate ousts Dilma and Renan (Senate leader) told him to stay in place. Here's loving hoping those fucks destroy each other So are they now on strike? 
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Here is the journalist's response to the comment, in portuguese and in englishDavid Miranda, at the Intercept posted:It is true that internet is threatening Globo’s dominance. Social media has allowed Brazilians to share information outside of Globo’s empire, and Brazilians can now read articles in foreign papers (such as The Guardian) that provide information far beyond the narrow range opinion permitted by Globo, Abril/Veja and Estadão. Meanwhile, the current media battle is over The New York Times thinks the impeachment is a coup or not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g_rkameTwc
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joepinetree posted:With the impeachment all but a certainty, certain groups have started advocating for new elections this year. So PMDB has decided to call any new elections a "coup." Oh lol. Seriously is Irony like completely dead in Brazil?
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