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the paradigm shift posted:I'd love a reality show where we didn't steal a large mineral rich part of their country in the name of manifest destiny if we're dreaming Some posters here seem to think that Mexico will declare war on the United States. In that case I can see Coahuila and Tamulipas being taken. I dont see the USA taking any more territory in the future expect for under extraordinary circumstances though.
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I like that Trump plans on simultaneously withholding remittances of only illegals, deporting all illegals, and forcing all illegals to keep sending money via Western Union so he can claim it despite them being deported to keep the wall funding going. Can't imagine why legal immigrants who send money back home would be suspicious of this plan.
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Apr 21, 2016 08:21
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Wolfsheim posted:Oh wait this is just a "troll until probated/banned again" thing isn't it No, it's my actual views. Babypolis seems to get a little carried away insulting me though and then I respond less rudely. I oppose remittance payments, they weaken the economy.
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Apr 21, 2016 08:23
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The Saurus posted:No, it's my actual views. Babypolis seems to get a little carried away insulting me though and then I respond less rudely. "I can't wait to see the stupid Mexicans suffer"~a genuine Bernie Sanders supporter and definitely not a troll
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Apr 21, 2016 08:25
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Wolfsheim posted:"I can't wait to see the stupid Mexicans suffer"~a genuine Bernie Sanders supporter and definitely not a troll its not a troll, the saurus is just a trash person in every sense of the word
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Apr 21, 2016 08:26
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Wolfsheim posted:"I can't wait to see the stupid Mexicans suffer"~a genuine Bernie Sanders supporter and definitely not a troll More like "I can't wait for the corrupt and oligarchic Mexican government and elite be forced to be responsible for the needs of their own nation's people"
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Apr 21, 2016 08:29
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The Saurus posted:Once The Donald implements sensible drug policy with full legalization, the cartels will become poor latinos. Probably a fate worse than being chopped up and shot in the woods.
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Apr 21, 2016 08:30
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what's "nice meltdown" in japanese? we need more diversity
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Apr 21, 2016 08:33
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The Saurus posted:More like "I can't wait for the corrupt and oligarchic Mexican government and elite be forced to be responsible for the needs of their own nation's people" You think some glorious socialist revolution will happen? No it's gonna go full loving narco state when it gets broke enough and then we have an even larger humanitarian crisis at our border. One that would be significantly harder to ignore than the one Europe is trying to pretend isn't happening.
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Apr 21, 2016 08:34
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The Saurus posted:More like "I can't wait for the corrupt and oligarchic Mexican government and elite be forced to be responsible for the needs of their own nation's people" so why dont you want to see the corrupt and oligarchic US government punished too? i mean the us is the center of capitalistic power, why are you not directing your anger at your own countries, who have done much worse things to the world than mexico ever will? how is electing a member of the billionare class any sort of attack against capitalism? perhaps its because you are hateful lil turd who dresses up his racism with a thin veneer of leftist ideology to make it seem less repugnant?
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Apr 21, 2016 08:38
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the paradigm shift posted:You think some glorious socialist revolution will happen? No it's gonna go full loving narco state when it gets broke enough and then we have an even larger humanitarian crisis at our border. One that would be significantly harder to ignore than the one Europe is trying to pretend isn't happening. Umm actually the man whose entire life has been dedicated to the excesses of capitalism will definitely curb capitalism's excesses, and then things will get better for all poor people everywhere and worse for all the bad people, and then he will legalize all drugs, and then everything else I personally want to happen will happen
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Apr 21, 2016 08:39
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the paradigm shift posted:You think some glorious socialist revolution will happen? No it's gonna go full loving narco state when it gets broke enough and then we have an even larger humanitarian crisis at our border. One that would be significantly harder to ignore than the one Europe is trying to pretend isn't happening. 
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any sanders supporters who would have voted for trump even if bernie wins the nomination are statistically insignificant most of bernie's supporters are politically active enough to know better - these are by and large independent-leaners and young college activists. barely any of them are voting because he is a white male, they're going for him because they're college students who might be literally unable to ever pay off their student loans as things stand, or they're labor-movement inclined and see the wealth gap as a huge problem. trump has gotten his support entirely off the uninformed who are just upset at minorities - he's doing exceptionally well amongst working class people in more rural areas and really has only gotten this far because he's an ostentatious celebrity who's wholly unlike really any other person on the planet. their supporters look similar superficially because they have a singular thing in common, and that is how they do not trust any politicians at all whatsoever and are hence people who have not yet been politically engaged in their lives, but they're almost mutually exclusive otherwise everyone who is voting trump is either with him from the beginning or is the kind who's always voted R in general elections. anyone who actually knows about bernie sanders (who was a nobody basically until he did okayish in iowa, much unlike trump or hillary, and he's still kind of a nobody to most democrat voters who aren't bothering with the primary and only start tuning in around september) knows enough to realize trump is a colossal moron who has no idea what he's doing. there's exceptions, sure, because this is millions of people we're talking about here. but seeing lovely bernie sanders supporters on reddit isn't a function of bernie sanders, it's a function of reddit
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Apr 21, 2016 08:44
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babypolis posted:so why dont you want to see the corrupt and oligarchic US government punished too? Pretty sure Trump has been and is punishing the establishment and the bankers in the States too.
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Apr 21, 2016 08:45
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babypolis posted:its not a troll, the saurus is just a trash person in every sense of the word
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Apr 21, 2016 08:48
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The Saurus posted:Pretty sure Trump has been and is punishing the establishment and the bankers in the States too. why would trump go against his own class interests. you are really quite bad at this leftism thing
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Apr 21, 2016 08:48
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the paradigm shift posted:You think some glorious socialist revolution will happen? No it's gonna go full loving narco state when it gets broke enough and then we have an even larger humanitarian crisis at our border. One that would be significantly harder to ignore than the one Europe is trying to pretend isn't happening. I think building the wall 10 feet higher would take care of that.
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it all depends on how serious trump is about actually becoming president and running a legit campaign if he wants to win then yes, he should absolutely rail hard about punishing the establishment, especially since he's not going to work as both president and trump foundation head simultaneously, he's going to be in the white house full-time, and once he's out of office he's famous enough that he doesn't even need to try to keep himself afloat financially, so he doesn't personally care about anything except being popular. if he works hard to try to catch the bernie supporters who will be very much on the fence about going for hillary, and swerves super hard left, and organizes a campaign worth a drat, then he might have success, but this hinges on trump actually busting his rear end and i think he's just going to take the easy way i've no intent on voting for trump unless he does those things, basically unless he becomes bernie sanders anyway and somehow manages to prove he means it, which i doubt he can. i live in SC anyway so who gives a poo poo what I vote, probably will just write in bernie on the ballot
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Apr 21, 2016 09:01
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babypolis posted:why would trump go against his own class interests. you are really quite bad at this leftism thing Because he's striking out on his own with the support of the masses against the interests of his own class. Bernie is doing something similar, except his class is the political establishment and lawmakers.
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The Saurus posted:Because he's striking out on his own with the support of the masses against the interests of his own class. Bernie is doing something similar, except his class is the political establishment and lawmakers. except his tax plan heavily favors the rich by cutting down the highest tax bracket and making it to where there's only three, with the lowest, of course, being basically exactly the same as before he has the support of the masses because he's a known slippery salesman and he most likely doesn't intend to do a goddamn thing to actually help the average people, as evidenced by his lack of any policy proposals that aid low and middle class earners, barring some shades of maybe kind of public healthcare sort of (probably not really though)
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Cutting taxes for low earners, renegotiating trade deals to stop outsourcing, cutting back on H1B visa abuse, protecting social security and medicaid and keynesian investment projects to create jobs and repair America's failing infrastructure are just a few of the solid policies that Trump and Sanders both share.
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Apr 21, 2016 09:11
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the paradigm shift posted:This is definitely based in reality. Vanity Fair knows what he means: To their rich constituents, Democrats offer more trade, more immigration, and general globalism. To their non-rich constituents, they offer the promise of social justice, which critics might call identity politics. That’s one reason why Democrats have devoted so much attention to issues such as transgender rights, sexual assault on campus, racial disparities in criminal justice, and immigration reform. The causes may be worthy—and they attract sincere advocates—but politically they’re also useful. They don’t bother rich people.
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Apr 21, 2016 09:13
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Oiled and Ready posted:
But this is ignoring that the flip side of that coin is the conservatives doing everything in their power to push these as wedge issues instead of easily resolved problems. Like wtf world do you live in where these are things brought up by the dems instead of responses to republicans being regressive shitheads about everything under the sun
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Apr 21, 2016 09:17
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Gyra_Solune posted:it all depends on how serious trump is about actually becoming president and running a legit campaign Trump has been rattled in a way a man of his stature can hardly ever be rattled. Imagine you had a plan from 30 years ago to run. Imagine you came up with it at a time you had strong convictions, but for the past decade or more you've been enjoying your rich life. Now imagine you decide to run to fulfill that dream, and despite your ego you think at best you'll make a huge mark on the system and hog the spotlight - but never win the nomination. After all, you gave a speech at the 1992 RNC and you know how this works - you can't win, the RNC would never allow it. Now, suddenly, you might win. The power goes to your head and you gently caress up several times but then you STILL might win. What is happening? Eventually, after a few bad weeks, you clear your head. You realize you could actually be president, but you need help. You hire Manafort. Wiley. Lewandowski is a headache but you deal with him. Now, we see a new Trump. One who will put in the time like he used to do. One who will learn and study, and why? Because the alternatives are Cruz and Clinton, two people he has a deep, deep personal hatred for. Trump is a smart man, but who hasn't had to do much for years and years, and if his opponents were a Kerry or Romney or such he may decide to give in and lose and whine like he is accustomed to. But it's Cruz, and it's Clinton, and he'll work himself to death from now until November to prove he's better than them. Believe me, believe me.
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the paradigm shift posted:But this is ignoring that the flip side of that coin is the conservatives doing everything in their power to push these as wedge issues instead of easily resolved problems. You should read the article but basically the argument is that of course Republicans are better for business on these issues, circa 2015. But the future is Trumpism vs Clintonism even if he loses, and as the neocons flip to Clintonism this all takes root. Here: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/04/why-democrats-are-becoming-the-party-of-the-1-percent
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Apr 21, 2016 09:25
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guys i think the dude who met his wife on a community oriented around tormenting a severely autistic man from west virginia might be a moron and a lovely person
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Oiled and Ready posted:You should read the article but basically the argument is that of course Republicans are better for business on these issues, circa 2015. But the future is Trumpism vs Clintonism even if he loses, and as the neocons flip to Clintonism this all takes root. Yeah this is the third way poo poo we've been dealing with since the 90s. It sucks but what is an actual alternative that doesn't send us spiraling back to the loving bush years?
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Epic High Five posted:The majority of Berniebots are going to be voting for Hillary. I'm talking about the fringe cases who are melting down on s4p and poo poo and posting 30 million articles a day about Rove-style unskewing. Basically, anybody who could possibly go Sanders -> Trump was probably going to end up with Trump in the end, however they had to rationalize it I am voting for Bernard "Bernie" Sanders in every election until God claims his favored son or Elizabeth Warren runs, abandons her run and becomes nominated for Supreme Court Justice then I will continue to vote for Bernard "Bernie" Sanders until this gay earth is destroyed in holy nuclear fire
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quote:Things get darker still, for, if the G.O.P. becomes ever whiter, failing to peel away working-class voters of other races, then partisan conflict could look more and more like racial conflict. That is the nightmare. Our politics are bad enough when voters are mobilized mainly by culture-war issues, such as abortion, because compromise is often impossible. But when voters are mobilized by issues of identity, something most people can’t change, then nothing works. It’s just war. lmao this article reads like this loving thread on a bad night.
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I have in my hands a list of potentially hundreds of whiteys who promise they will vote dem forever; if they can just give them free healthcare and living wages by fiat over the wishes of the other party that those same people keep voting in based on their promises to keep being obstructionist to democrats.
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quote:Of course, to be a credible player at all, Bernie has had to signal fealty to Black Lives Matter and effectively vow to stop enforcing the border. But Bernie’s worldview and visions still feel like products of a different time, probably of Bernie’s own youth. His popularity may be a fluke, ill-suited to the politics of today. Oh it's another bernout trying not to eat a bullet. Nm
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babypolis posted:you are an incredibly lovely person. get the gently caress out of this thread you worthless, wife pimping motherfucker nice meltdown
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the paradigm shift posted:Yeah this is the third way poo poo we've been dealing with since the 90s. It sucks but what is an actual alternative that doesn't send us spiraling back to the loving bush years? Lol with our Constitution there is no "3rd way", it's more Bull Moose. The GOP will again be the party of the populace, and as opposed to the other Trumplovers around I've only been a Republican since Summer 2015 so I get it. There is only one question in 2016 - can Trump convince a decent percentage of minorities + whites that value minorities that the GOP is now the party of the everyman, or will that come in 2020 or 2024?
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the paradigm shift posted:lmao this article reads like this loving thread on a bad night. oops it looks like your tightly clutched identity politics might not be such a universal sacred horse after all (its actually a trojan horse h t h)
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as halfway crooks posted:oops it looks like your tightly clutched identity politics might not be such a universal sacred horse after all Thanks for that PM, isn't it fun to prove ideologues wrong on a comedy forum while actually not caring much how things turn out?
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Oiled and Ready posted:Lol with our Constitution there is no "3rd way", it's more Bull Moose. What? You're a Republican? gently caress off. Sincerely though third way dem is the way of the future until republicans can get the more offensive parts of their party under control and maybe we can go back to bipartisan consensus as opposed to tantrum throwing dipshits. the paradigm shift fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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Oiled and Ready posted:Thanks for that PM, isn't it fun to prove ideologues wrong on a comedy forum while actually not caring much how things turn out? Aww you're having little discussions about how to respond to my shitposting?
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as halfway crooks posted:oops it looks like your tightly clutched identity politics might not be such a universal sacred horse after all woo some vf writer repeating exactly what bernouts and lib racists have been saying in here for weeks Consider me owned somehow
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