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YF-23 posted:I don't know the exact statistics, but my non-expert knowledge leads me to agree with that statement. I'm not sure why you are phrasing it using words like "admit", as though I am ashamed of it or something. Then I'm not really sure what you're arguing for here. If eschewing nuclear energy actually results in increased carbon emissions, wouldn't the logical conclusion about opposition to nuclear energy be that it doesn't care about the environmental consequences? And furthermore that the lost opportunity cost for the green movements opposition to nuclear energy for the past half a century has been the aggravation of climate change?
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CommieGIR posted:Its not like dams are not known for causing mass destruction when they fail or anything, along with loving up ecology....
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Friendly Humour posted:Funny thing about nuclear disasters, they tend to happen to aging reactors that should've been replaced decades ago. One wonders as to why they weren't replaced, who exactly was opposed to building new reactors to replace the dangerous ones? It's almost as if some people want nuclear disasters to happen. The reactor at Fukushima that melted down was specifically on schedule to be replaced about a year after the tsunami hit, as well as another reactor on site that was too heavily damaged to work anymore in the aftermath. The owner of the plant expected to have new reactors built and operating on that site, after the removals, in 2015 for the first removal and 2017 for the second removal. The other reactors on site aren't scheduled for replacement until the 2020s.
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fishmech posted:The reactor at Fukushima that melted down was specifically on schedule to be replaced about a year after the tsunami hit, as well as another reactor on site that was too heavily damaged to work anymore in the aftermath. I'm aware, but there had been warnings regarding the plant for decades already. It's the same with those Belgian reactors they recently restarted (Doel plant iirc). Aging, damaged things that should've been replaced 10 years ago with new reactors, but haven't been due to political opposition.
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Puistokemisti posted:Finland is building two nuclear power plants currently. The one commissioned from the french is such a clusterfuck that for the second one, we opted to get russians to handle it. Tesseraction posted:Britain's right-wing government is currently begging China to pay the French to build us a new reactor, which has a fixed unit-cost of twice the current unit cost per kWH. Even the pro-nuclear lobby are telling the government to back away from this stupid loving idea. Regarding these things: 1) We lack a nuclear-experienced construction workforce. Ideally there'd be one new reactor in build somewhere in the EU every year, so that one or a few contractors (or ideally state firms) have the opportunity to become not poo poo at building nuclear. Instead, we get a decades long gap where everyone competent retires and the nuclear operators coast along on their existing reactor fleet until all the nuclear reactors are past their design lifespan and about to get shut down. Then there's a frantic rush to build something, anything nuclear (see: UK, see in 15-20 years: France) leading to a bunch of lovely contractors building a ton of reactors at the same time and staying poo poo. 2) Lol Areva lol EDF lol French Surrender Reactors. The EPR builds are so consistently terrible they basically bled the French nuclear industry dry. The biggest joke regarding Hinkley Point in the UK is that the current sticker price just happens to be very close to the price of the Finnish one after all the cost overruns. Areva/EDF can't make it more obvious that even they don't think the EPR can ever become less terrible. 3) The guaranteed electricity price for Hinkley may or may not be too high, but by itself the idea of paying more than the wholesale electricity price to nuclear operators isn't inherently bad. Wholesale price has next to nothing to do with consumer price (a lot is taxes, like with gas, and utilities price other things into the consumer price), and a low wholesale price for electricity is a phenomenon of deregulated electricity markets where everyone can poo poo up the grid with random inputs and drive the price into the ground, without the necessary coordination/infrastructure/storage to keep everything working going into the wholesale price. Paying extra for not having your grid shat up is a way of avoiding having to overhaul the grid unnecessarily. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Apr 22, 2016 |
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blowfish posted:1) We lack a nuclear-experienced construction workforce. Ideally there'd be one new reactor in build somewhere in the EU every year, so that one or a few contractors (or ideally state firms) have the opportunity to become not poo poo at building nuclear. Instead, we get a decades long gap where everyone competent retires and the nuclear operators coast along on their existing reactor fleet until all the nuclear reactors are past their design lifespan and about to get shut down. Then there's a frantic rush to build something, anything nuclear (see: UK, see in 15-20 years: France) leading to a bunch of lovely contractors building a ton of reactors at the same time and staying poo poo.
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LemonDrizzle posted:This was brought up in the UKMT, but it isn't really true for either Britain or France unless you ignore both countries' experience with building small scale military reactors. Obviously, that expertise and manufacturing capacity won't necessarily translate to building large EPR-type plants, but it would translate well into designing and building smaller modular designs that could be (comparatively) quickly iterated on and refined. If you're going to have teething troubles with the first few builds, it's far better to have them on a diddy little 200 MW design costing a few hundred million a pop than a 2 GW behemoth costing several billion. Yeah, but SMR type things are new and fancy in the nuclear business, since pretty much commercial reactor in the world is some kind of overgrown 1000-1600MW monstrosity or some lovely leftover cold war 500MW reactor the size of a 1000MW modern reactor. Now if everyone actually sat down and went "let's develop a sane nuclear rollout plan that starts within the next 10-20 years and needs to be affordable and scalable and sustainable in markets where people plan less than 40 years ahead" then you'd probably get more investment in SMRs like the American stuff currently in licensing hell or the Rolls Royce proposal you mentioned, but in reality people are still buying and planning to buy even more overgrown power station reactors and SMRs will probably take another generation to catch on. Some of the problems nuclear plant builds face are not even due to reactor construction being hard (though Areva/EDF managed to sort of gently caress that up, too  ), but due to really basic things like construction crews used to constructing random buildings needing to adjust to actually building a high spec facility to house nuclear stuff.
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blowfish posted:but due to really basic things like construction crews used to constructing random buildings needing to adjust to actually building a high spec facility to house nuclear stuff. That's a big part of the many issues with the EPR. In France, for the Flamanville EPR, the official nuclear safety agency complained to the builder that the concrete pillars "looked like gruyere cheese" and were "full of rock nests" (that is to say, parts were there's gravel but no cement)... This was because, to proceed faster to try to compensate for the delays, they did stupid poo poo like laying too much concrete at once instead of proceeding layer by layer.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/24/austrian-far-right-wins-first-round-presidential-election-norbert-hofer Is this a LePen in France type thing where the second round will be a unity vote, or is the Austrian left and center not unified enough for that / they're gonna follow Poland?
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Adar posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/24/austrian-far-right-wins-first-round-presidential-election-norbert-hofer So far the other candidates/parties have refused to endorse a candidate for the second round. Usually soc dems would support a green candidate but they are on the record as saying "that's not contemporary any more".
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Well as Austrian I can shed some light on this: The Christian-Conservatives will never endorse a Green/Leftist candidate, mostly because they hope for a coalition with the Far-Right in 2018 and partly because their base is deeply conservative and would not understand it. It's also kinda funny that Van der Bellen is referred to as a radical environmentalist in English papers, when he's actually more of a moderate social-liberal. Reading certain papers would give you the idea that he's some radical hippie, while he is actually a scholarly gentleman and university professor of economics. Unfortunately the situation is now a bit different than it was with Le Pen. The public is tired of the same old two-party coalition which has ruled the country, except for a few interludes, since the end of WWII. On top of that the fugitive crisis has really sparked local xenophobic fears, which were also fueled by a series of recent rape crimes committed by asylum seekers mostly from Afghanistan. In 2015 we had a higher per-capita acceptance rate of asylum seekers than Germany. So you get a really lovely cocktail of fear, racism and political standstill. Also our economy is only growing very slowly and we have the highest unemployment rate of the 2nd Republic with a rather high national debt. Now this might all sound like doom and gloom, but you have to put it in perspective: our economy is still doing ok by European standards. Unemployment is roughly on the same level as France. We have a low crime rate. Our education, public health and social systems are top notch and functioning. All in all the whole country is running well and Vienna was once again voted to be the city with the highest living quality world-wide. But the people don't see it like that because of the reasons I mentioned earlier. So we are in for a real poo poo-show in 4 weeks for the final election round. Also there is one major difference between the likes of Geert Wilders or Le Pen and Norbert Hofer. The former are your typical Far-Right extremists, but the latter and his cronies also are hardcore nationalists, with close contacts to the European neo-nazi scene (like the German NPD) and the majority of the Freedom Party's inner circle are members of German-nationalist student fraternities, some even holding on to traditions like fencing (to first blood). There are some serious nutjobs among them with a giant hard-on for a Greater Germany. For example: the blue cornflower was the secret identification symbol of the Nazi party in Austria during the 1930ies, a time when the party was forbidden (before we got invaded, refused to fight back and immediately started cheering for Adolf since he was one of us). (I think it was)...in 2006 when Norbert Hofer became a delegate, that he wore the same blue cornflower on his lapel. When he was called out for it, he stated that the flower was also a symbol of the revolution in 1848 (see fraternity stuff). He also said a lot of other poo poo, like in 1997, when Germany had it's Wehrmacht exhibition (freely translated): "Once again we cart school classes to events, where children are forcibly blessed with the perverted exhibitionism of the government-funded leftists".  "Es werden wieder einmal Schulklassen zu den Veranstaltungen gekarrt, um Kinder mit dem perversen Exhibitionismus der staatssubventionierten Linken zwangszubeglücken." The president in Austria is a ceremonial figurehead with little actual power. His major function is the dismissal and inauguration of new governments, and this power is regulated by our constitution. But in 2018 we will elect a new government and if the Far-Right can keep it's momentum going, then we are heading towards a rather ugly future. The hope that remains is that a lot of the votes they received are from protest voters who disagree with the government's current course, but who should not be counted among the Far-Right's base. Hammerstein fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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Apr 25, 2016 02:00
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Is there any desire in Austria to rejoin Germany?
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hypnorotic posted:Is there any desire in Austria to rejoin Germany? Only as pipe dreams among German-nationalist student fraternities. Some of them even refuse to acknowledge the existence of Austria and the Second Republic. They are a tiny minority though (but as mentioned before they make up the inner circle in the FPÖ) and outside of their fraternities they usually don't dare to mention such ideas, since it would be political suicide. To the vast majority Austria has always been it's own nation, although we got cut down in size in 1918. But WW I only accelerated a process which would have happened anyway sooner or later. Trying to keep an Empire of about 12 different ethnic groups together (and those were only the major ones) is a bit of a lesson in futility. Generally we view Southern Germany (Bavaria) to be akin to us, but not so much the rest of Germany. And we reserve a special form of antipathy for the former region of Prussia. Hammerstein fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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Hammerstein posted:And we reserve a special form of antipathy for the former region of Prussia.
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The government of Luxembourg has taken note of the LuxLeaks documents and is acting to ensure that the villains who stained the country's good name will be suitably punished: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/24/luxleaks-antoine-deltour-luxembourg-tax-avoidance-pricewaterhousecoopers-trialquote:Two former employees of PricewaterhouseCoopers accused of being behind the biggest ever leak of confidential corporate tax deals face criminal trial in Luxembourg on Tuesday.
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Not surprising; see also the recently voted trade secret directive; which officially is about preventing industrial spying but really is all about preventing more Luxleaks and Panama Papers from happening. Germany, for one, would never let anything happens that would really try to put a stop to industrial espionage, since they're all about helping the NSA spy on Airbus on behalf of Boeing.
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Hammerstein posted:Well as Austrian I can shed some light on this: Thanks for this, it's interesting to see how things are going on in Austria. What's the platform of the independent candidate? Also I know the parallels really aren't there but I'm loving the optics of an Austrian far-right-winger rising to power on populist anger.
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Cat Mattress posted:Not surprising; see also the recently voted trade secret directive; which officially is about preventing industrial spying but really is all about preventing more Luxleaks and Panama Papers from happening. Germany, for one, would never let anything happens that would really try to put a stop to industrial espionage, since they're all about helping the NSA spy on Airbus on behalf of Boeing. You're saying that Luxemburg's prosecution of the whistleblowers is in line with the EU trade secrets directive, which has been passed to grant firms stronger protection against industrial espionage and has been criticised for failing to grant sufficient protection to whistleblowers, and which was broadly approved by the EU Council which includes Germany. But then again, Germany in turn doesn't really want to protect against espionage but helped pass the directive anyway to benefit Boeing, even though Germany effectively owns 11% of the shares in Airbus. I'm really confused now.
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Hammerstein posted:The president in Austria is a ceremonial figurehead with little actual power. His major function is the dismissal and inauguration of new governments, and this power is regulated by our constitution. That's completely wrong. On paper he is one of the, if not the most powerful heads of states in Europe. The French president may look more powerful because he is actively involved in the French government but actually has less constitutional powers than the Austrian one. It has merely been exercised in the manner you describe.
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Riso posted:That's completely wrong. On paper he is one of the, if not the most powerful heads of states in Europe. Erdogan did nothing wrong 
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Tesseraction posted:Thanks for this, it's interesting to see how things are going on in Austria. What's the platform of the independent candidate? Irmgard Griss was mostly sponsored by finance and heavy industry, as well as by individual donators. I would not necessarily call her completely independent, since she has excellent contacts among the conservative elite of the country, but she is not officially sponsored by any party. What makes her third place interesting, is that no independent candidate in the country's history had such a success before, because she handily beat the candidates of the two major parties. When it comes to her platform she shares many of the values of the christian-conservatives (the ÖVP) but with more liberal stances when it comes to certain social agendas like same sex marriage. She's out of the race now, since the final round of elections is between VdB and Hofer, but her supporters want her to found her own party. I believe it would be good for the country to have a female president. But being more of a social-liberal myself I do not share some of her views. She also said some batshit insane things in the past, like about the Anschluss in 1938, lines like: "The Nazis didn't show their evil side from the beginning". She's pretty much living the Austria national lie, about people having been seduced by Adolf, instead of being fanatical supporters. Another classic "The Austrians couldn't see in 1938 where this would lead", yeah, sure, as if there had not been a Kristallnacht in 38. It is really sad and disgusting, because I thought that we - as a nation - had finally come to accept our complicity. But people around here don't like to be reminded of the masses who cheered for the Nazis, instead of defending our nation and she caters to that audience, since she's also fishing for votes in the pool of the Far-Right. Austrian authors like Karl Kraus had already been writing about concentration camps before 1938 and on an academic level it's nowadays established that people knew quite a bit about what was going on. Don't get the wrong impression though, people here, for the most part, are no longer Nazis. But you gotta be constantly vigilant, partly because Austria's de-nazification process was not as thorough as in Germany. And every once in a while the dark shadow of the past rears it's ugly head and finds useful idiots to carry on the legacy. To a certain extent it's comparable with the history of racism and slavery in the US. Riso posted:That's completely wrong. On paper he is one of the, if not the most powerful heads of states in Europe. Not necessarily. You see, there is a lot of context here and what the president could do (in theory) is very different from how things actually work. When it comes to political tradition, the president has never made use of the full envelope of his power in the history of Austria, nor does the president meddle with or comment on daily politics. He could - in theory - deny the nomination of certain ministers or refuse to sign certain laws. But the latter has not happened as far as I can remember and the former only happened once, during the ÖVP-FPÖ coalition, when a total shithead, who had insulted the president in public papers (among many other shortcomings) was a candidate for the FPÖ and was promptly replaced by another FPÖ delegate. Also by tradition the French president usually takes a far more active stance when it comes to the country's policies, compared to the Austrian one. Hammerstein fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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It seems like a bit of a poo poo-show, all-in-all. With any luck the Greens will manage to pull a victory out of their arse but it looks like your country might well be joining the "idiot public voting in terrible candidates based on national myths and lies" brigade. We in Britain will let you sit at our table. Until Brexit, of course, then you'll have to sit with Poland.
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Tesseraction posted:It seems like a bit of a poo poo-show, all-in-all. With any luck the Greens will manage to pull a victory out of their arse but it looks like your country might well be joining the "idiot public voting in terrible candidates based on national myths and lies" brigade. We in Britain will let you sit at our table. Until Brexit, of course, then you'll have to sit with Poland. I guess the major problem are the deep rifts between the conservative voters, those who voted for Griss and the ÖVP candidate Khol, and the Green party. Unlike Le Pen it seems as if Hofer will be able to count again on the votes he received during the first election run. While VdB needs the votes of the conservatives and the social-democrats (and he already had a lot of those during the first run) to succeed. And it is quite unlikely that the Griss and ÖVP voters will lend him their voice. Some of them will, but I think a good portion will either not vote at all or maybe even vote for Hofer instead. It's really close this time and no matter how it ends, it marks the end of an era and the beginning of a new one. The good thing about one of the most heavily criticized features of the country, namely it's completely over-sized administrative apparatus, is that it things keep on functioning, even if the government is defunct. Hammerstein fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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Hammerstein posted:I guess the major problem are the deep rifts between the conservative voters, those who voted for Griss and the ÖVP candidate Khol, and the Green party. drat, so I'm guessing that socdems are more likely to go Green and CCs more likely to go Hofer, and likewise that Indie's bloc will go Hofer. Given that the socdems failed to threshold for round 2 I have a feeling a Green win would require half the country forgetting the date.
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All it takes is a single determined person to change how power is exercised. It exists and is there for the taking. quote:She's pretty much living the Austria national lie, about people having been seduced by Adolf, instead of being fanatical supporters. Standard post-war Austrian education. Move along, nothing to see here. quote:When it comes to political tradition, the president has never made use of the full envelope of his power in the history of Austria, nor does the president meddle with or comment on daily politics. Heinz Fischer refused to sign a law because it applied some punishments retroactively. quote:It's really close this time and no matter how it ends, it marks the end of an era and the beginning of a new one. The good thing about one of the most heavily criticized features of the country, namely it's completely over-sized administrative apparatus, is that it things keep on functioning, even if the government is defunct. You should read up on Japan, where politicians are more or less superfluous. The system was designed to be run by the bureaucrats. quote:drat, so I'm guessing that socdems are more likely to go Green and CCs more likely to go Hofer, and likewise that Indie's bloc will go Hofer. Given that the socdems failed to threshold for round 2 I have a feeling a Green win would require half the country forgetting the date. More like the other way but VdB is actually completely unacceptable as head of state. He stated he would refuse to appoint a democratically elected government formed by the FPO simply because he does not like its politics.
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Vote Leave has discovered the best trick for Eurosceptics everywhere: raise the spectre of Turkey joining the EU. quote:Iain Duncan Smith, the former work and pensions secretary, has issued a statement on behalf of Vote Leave saying Theresa May’s speech confirmed the threat posed to the UK by the prospect of countries like Turkey joining the EU. He said: This worked like a charm in the Dutch referendum on the European Constitution in 2005, it will probably do its magic now, and ten years from now, someone will probably invoke this argument in some other EU debate in Germany or Denmark or the like, and Turkey still won't be an EU member.
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UKIP's party political broadcast that raised the spectre of Turkey was so blaringly racist from the get-go that all I could do was laugh because it sounded like something somebody would make as a parody of UKIP to make them look racist. Not sure it did very well though because all the information was closer to the end.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:This worked like a charm in the Dutch referendum on the European Constitution in 2005, it will probably do its magic now...
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Is Turkey even anywhere near being able to join the EU? I mean, just according to the rules, ignoring the rightful and not so rightful opposition to their ascension within EU members.LemonDrizzle posted:Michael Gove saying that there's no danger in leaving because we could be just like Albania, Ukraine, Serbia, and Bosnia, no amount of magic is going to save the Leave campaign.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Is Turkey even anywhere near being able to join the EU? I mean, just according to the rules, ignoring the rightful and not so rightful opposition to their ascension within EU members. Hasn't the carrying theme of everything the EU has done at least since the crash of '08 been that the rules don't matter a whit, we just have to keep The Project going no matter the cost or insanity involved? If the insane mandarins who run the show want Turkey in, they'll get in, screw everything and everyone else. And what the mandarins want is of course utterly opaque to the average fellow on the street, so  After all, who today speaks of the massacre of the Armenians, we have a Europe to unify! 
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Is Turkey even anywhere near being able to join the EU? I mean, just according to the rules, ignoring the rightful and not so rightful opposition to their ascension within EU members. The overview of its progress in implementing the EU acquis on Wikipedia suggests no. And at this point it's not even clear whether Turkey wants to join anymore. A Buttery Pastry posted:I assume that point was made to subtly undermine the Leave campaign? Haha, no. Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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Rappaport posted:Hasn't the carrying theme of everything the EU has done at least since the crash of '08 been that the rules don't matter a whit, we just have to keep The Project going no matter the cost or insanity involved? If the insane mandarins who run the show want Turkey in, they'll get in, screw everything and everyone else. And what the mandarins want is of course utterly opaque to the average fellow on the street, so lol no A Buttery Pastry posted:Is Turkey even anywhere near being able to join the EU? I mean, just according to the rules, ignoring the rightful and not so rightful opposition to their ascension within EU members.
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Riso posted:All it takes is a single determined person to change how power is exercised. It exists and is there for the taking. Never gonna happen, which you should know as Austrian. quote:Standard post-war Austrian education. Move along, nothing to see here. Which is an excuse for this kind of poo poo why exactly ? quote:Heinz Fischer refused to sign a law because it applied some punishments retroactively. Ok, so one law since 1955. quote:More like the other way but VdB is actually completely unacceptable as head of state. He stated he would refuse to appoint a democratically elected government formed by the FPO simply because he does not like its politics. He can't be more unacceptable than a candidate who is member of a fraternity which does not acknowledge the Austrian nation and who runs for a xenophobic and racist far-right party with plenty of contacts among Europe's neo-fascists. Extra points for nazi-symbolism like the blue cornflower. VdB is clearly the lesser of two evils.
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Hammerstein posted:Never gonna happen, which you should know as Austrian. Yes, he knows about that one Austrian 
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steinrokkan posted:Yes, he knows about that one Austrian Uh...oh....since I don't post in D&D that much I had no idea that he already has a "reputation".... Tesseraction posted:drat, so I'm guessing that socdems are more likely to go Green and CCs more likely to go Hofer, and likewise that Indie's bloc will go Hofer. Given that the socdems failed to threshold for round 2 I have a feeling a Green win would require half the country forgetting the date. Well if you calculate the votes and check the low participation rate then 3/4 of the county have not voted for Hofer. The real question is if they will move their asses to the election cabins in 4 weeks to make a statement against the policies Hofer stands for. Hammerstein fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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I'd have thought his glaring red-title might have given you a hint. 
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Tesseraction posted:I'd have thought his glaring red-title might have given you a hint. The Nazi sense not tingling immediately is unfortunately a collective genetic defect of us Austrians  1938 Heldenplatz, Vienna :"That Adolf, he has some good ideas. And he's one of us". Fast forward.... 1945 "I'm standing up to my knees in corpses. How did that happen ? I remember nothing."
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Rappaport posted:Hasn't the carrying theme of everything the EU has done at least since the crash of '08 been that the rules don't matter a whit, we just have to keep The Project going no matter the cost or insanity involved? If the insane mandarins who run the show want Turkey in, they'll get in, screw everything and everyone else. And what the mandarins want is of course utterly opaque to the average fellow on the street, so Pluskut Tukker posted:Haha, no.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Are you telling me a person in favor of the UK leaving decided not to use Switzerland and Norway as examples, and instead went for a bunch of post-Communist countries? Switzerland and Norway believe in taking care of their citizens. Countries used to totalitarian dictatorship and horrible poverty are more apt for his ideal.
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Hammerstein posted:Never gonna happen, which you should know as Austrian. So why is everyone talking about falling skies when the FPO is involved then? quote:1938 Heldenplatz, Vienna :"That Adolf, he has some good ideas. And he's one of us". Ahem. The Allies, 1943: You know these Austrians were really the first victims of Hitler. Austrians, 1945: You don't even know half of the degradations we had to suffer, boss. Tesseraction posted:I'd have thought his glaring red-title might have given you a hint. I didn't even get it for DND poo poo posting!
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