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Teaching/playing my first game of Food Chain Magnate today - anything to keep an eye out for? Any teaching videos that aren't Rahdo?
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Jedit posted:I am now tempted to set up a PBF of Eldritch so you can see the difference. I own Arkham and all its expansions, I have enjoyed it, but I know I'm not going to play it again when I can play Eldritch. When people tell you it is the same game with the same feel but much more streamlined without any loss of involvement, they are not kidding. It is more rewarding and enjoyable in every way. Honestly, I have been thinking about picking up Eldritch Horror for some time now. One is a world map, and the other is just the town of Arkham, so it's not like they are mutually exclusive. It seems like the kind of game I would really enjoy.
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Apr 23, 2016 14:29
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Re: FCM The first few turns are really slow, sample turns and should be treated as such. make sure to go through all the phases (even if nothing happens during them!) with the player aid out in order to let people see what's going on. The player aid has an awesome reference of all the cards in the middle. Encourage people to use that rather than looking at cards, and if you don't want to spread the cards out on the table (only the Unique / 1x cards really need to be shown) don't worry too much about it. Make sure you don't have the typoed version (Executive VP should be 10, not 6). Make sure people know that you need to hire somebody the turn before they are going to be used, which means advertising is tricky. Walk everyone through the selling flow: Turn N: Recruit Marketing Trainee Turn N+1: Play Marketing Trainee, Recruit Errand Boy, Place billboard advertising drink type. End of Turn N+1: Advertisements tick, drink demand placed on house(s). Turn N+2: Play Errand Boy, producing drink(s) to feed to house(s). And the recruiting flow: Turn N: Recruit employee. EMPLOYEE IS NOW ELIGIBLE TO BE TRAINED. Turn N+1: Play employee. EMPLOYEE IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE TRAINED, because they are in play. There are 4 standard openers in the game: turn 1 Errand Boy, Marketing Trainee, Recruiting Girl, Trainer. Doing anything else will probably lose you the game (though things open up a lot really quickly, you really really need to get your organization grown either financially or card-wise). If you don't know what to do, pick Recruiting Girl. Definitely play with Milestones, but don't be afraid to encourage them to pick lower ($100-200) Reserve cards. It can cut a turn off the game, which is nice for new players. Re: Rutibex & Eldritch: You should get it, it's good and holds up better than Arkham if you're not looking to houserule, but the theme's more adventure game and less mythos horror. I recommend picking up the first expansion along with the game, it's a "flesh things out" pack that gives you a whole bunch of extra cards for the encounter decks.
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Apr 23, 2016 14:34
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Rutibex posted:Yeah a bit, but I'm the only one that bothered to read the rules book so they stop being house rules and just ending up being "the rules" You recommending Edlritch Horror wouldn't be in good faith, but recommending your heavily house ruled Arkham Horror, without mentioning your house rules, or even that you have them is? Andarel posted:Re: Rutibex & Eldritch: Honestly, if Rutibex plays EH, I can see one of two things happening. One is that he(?) sees it as a good game, but doesn't replace his houseruled AH, and continues to recommend it insincerely. Two is that he doesn't like it because it isn't his AH, but better.
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Apr 23, 2016 14:54
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Andarel posted:Re: FCM I think this has been whittled down to two: recruiting girl or trainer. There was a thread on BGG where someone had looked at online openings and openings other than RG or trainer have basically disappeared at this point. Also this thread on BGG has some  on (four-player) opening strategies:https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1556001/so-you-want-be-food-chain-magnate-frame-work-4-pla
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Apr 23, 2016 14:58
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Fair enough. I messed around a bit with MT/EB openings and really wasn't satisfied with them so I'm not that surprised. They might still work as a way for a more experienced player to handicap, though that's a pretty C-list use.
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Apr 23, 2016 15:03
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I could see EB working as an opener sometimes if the map is really scarce on drinks, that and having an exclusive freezer is pretty nice, but 99% of the time I think RG or Trainer is the right choice. By the way, maybe it's just me and my group that didn't notice this rule the first couple of times we played, but only the CEO can manage manager-type employees, in other words for the first phase of the game you can have at most three black cards in play at once.
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Apr 23, 2016 15:09
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Rutibex posted:Honestly, I have been thinking about picking up Eldritch Horror for some time now. One is a world map, and the other is just the town of Arkham, so it's not like they are mutually exclusive. It seems like the kind of game I would really enjoy. It is much better game, and I say that as someone that occasionally enjoys AH. All the GOOs play very differently vs the sameyness of AH. You have different focuses with each.
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Apr 23, 2016 15:32
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Managed to play Factory Fun again, haven't played it in years. It's so easy to setup and play, I like the game a lot 
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Apr 23, 2016 18:02
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Tekopo posted:Managed to play Factory Fun again, haven't played it in years. It's so easy to setup and play, I like the game a lot Bizarre, we just played it again, also not for years, this past week! Agreed entirely, took maybe a bit over an hour to teach to two new players, set up, play, put away.
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Apr 23, 2016 18:38
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Yeah, game is so simple to explain and play and it really feels rewarding to build these big complex complicated mazes of factories. Some people don't seem to like it for the real time elements but I've enjoyed every game of it I've had.
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Apr 23, 2016 18:40
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Tekopo posted:Yeah, game is so simple to explain and play and it really feels rewarding to build these big complex complicated mazes of factories. Some people don't seem to like it for the real time elements but I've enjoyed every game of it I've had. The realtime stuff just governs which machine you get. And honestly, speeds up the game, it would add a lot of ap if there was, say, an auction instead.
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Apr 23, 2016 18:47
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Jedit posted:I am now tempted to set up a PBF of Eldritch so you can see the difference. I own Arkham and all its expansions, I have enjoyed it, but I know I'm not going to play it again when I can play Eldritch. When people tell you it is the same game with the same feel but much more streamlined without any loss of involvement, they are not kidding. It is more rewarding and enjoyable in every way. I know you were making a point, but I'm up for an AH PBF just to see what all the fuss is about.
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Apr 23, 2016 18:52
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Lichtenstein posted:You won't know the true meaning of fun, until you buy Fields of Fire. You too, Broken Loose. Broken Loose posted:See, what makes Crackbone a good poster is that he knows that there is a point where it's appropriate to recommend Space Hulk, no matter how bad the game is considered. He knows not just that logic will have his back but also that it'll be precisely what was requested. None of this "I need a party game about the Founding Fathers played with sock puppets for more than 5 players --> 'Ia! Ia! FoF Fhtagn! What happened to your Russian Civil War with Vodka and a crocodile AAR, BTW? EDIT: theroachman posted:I know you were making a point, but I'm up for an AH PBF just to see what all the fuss is about. Stelas did it. Fat Samurai fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Apr 23, 2016 |
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Apr 23, 2016 19:02
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Fat Samurai posted:'Ia! Ia! FoF Fhtagn! Thanks for reminding me that I need to pick up a copy of Fields of Fire. I just wish I could find a copy at a reasonable price. Even for obscure board games it is one of the harder ones to find.
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Apr 23, 2016 19:36
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taser rates posted:I could see EB working as an opener sometimes if the map is really scarce on drinks, that and having an exclusive freezer is pretty nice, but 99% of the time I think RG or Trainer is the right choice. By the way, maybe it's just me and my group that didn't notice this rule the first couple of times we played, but only the CEO can manage manager-type employees, in other words for the first phase of the game you can have at most three black cards in play at once. Well that's kind of an important rule that we haven't been playing with. While on the topic of FCM questions, is it possible to put in houses that straddle tiles? If so, how are distances measured for these tiles?
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Apr 23, 2016 20:44
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Big McHuge posted:Well that's kind of an important rule that we haven't been playing with. That's a huge game-affecting rule that is mentioned multiple times - it's a shame you missed it but on the other hand now you can re-discover the game  Big McHuge posted:While on the topic of FCM questions, is it possible to put in houses that straddle tiles? If so, how are distances measured for these tiles? Yes, that's 100% fine. You count distance to a restaurant starting from the nearest tile the house has at least one square in. Put another way, a house that straddles a tile border is in both tiles, or technically they can exit the house from anywhere - use whichever is closer to your restaurant when counting range. Hope this link works it will answer your question I'm sure http://play.boardgamecore.net/fcm/help.html#help08 e: Remember that this is different than for restaurants: the lines on the restaurant corner are the only entrances (unless you have a drive-thru). You count range from the TILE the entrance is on. Being right on the border of a tile doesn't let you "skip" the tile the entrance is actually on. In a way it's like your restaurant is really only a 1x1 square disguised as a 2x2 
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Apr 23, 2016 21:01
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Are there any games about running a movie studio? It seem like it would be perfect for a heavy euro style thing but I can't find any.
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Apr 23, 2016 22:11
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PBS Newshour posted:Are there any games about running a movie studio? It seem like it would be perfect for a heavy euro style thing but I can't find any. There's this: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/904/dream-factory
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Apr 23, 2016 22:14
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Rutibex posted:Honestly, I have been thinking about picking up Eldritch Horror for some time now. One is a world map, and the other is just the town of Arkham, so it's not like they are mutually exclusive. It seems like the kind of game I would really enjoy. You could use arkhan horror with eldritch horror and a bunch of mini pnp boards to play each city as a smaller game in an overall eldritch horror campaign
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Apr 23, 2016 22:30
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Banana Man posted:You could use arkhan horror with eldritch horror and a bunch of mini pnp boards to play each city as a smaller game in an overall eldritch horror campaign A bold idea, fairly tempting! However, I already have Talisman as my go-to "massive bloated game that shouldn't even be played". I've never actually been tempted to get the expansions for Arkham, the game feels big enough as it is.
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Apr 23, 2016 22:40
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Wait? You don't own the AH expansions? loving poser.
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Apr 23, 2016 23:06
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Fat Samurai posted:What happened to your Russian Civil War with Vodka and a crocodile AAR, BTW? Didn't think anyone cared. I might be in quite comfortable situation irl (namely, leeway to do stupid poo poo and keep stuff lying all around the place) to revive it pretty soon. I definitely have all the game state data noted down for such an occurence. [edit] Also, I have a plenty of vodka and various slavic moonshines stocked, but that goes without saying. Lichtenstein fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Apr 23, 2016 |
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Apr 23, 2016 23:12
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Apr 23, 2016 23:21
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PBS Newshour posted:Are there any games about running a movie studio? It seem like it would be perfect for a heavy euro style thing but I can't find any. The Producer: 1940-44 is exactly what you're asking for. It was released at Spiel last year. Looks gorgeous, but the game didn't grab me on first glance and apparently there's some huge issues with the rules translation.
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Apr 24, 2016 00:11
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Jedit posted:The Producer: 1940-44 is exactly what you're asking for. It was released at Spiel last year. Looks gorgeous, but the game didn't grab me on first glance and apparently there's some huge issues with the rules translation. Oh man, this looks cool. Hopefully they get those rule issues fixed.
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Apr 24, 2016 00:14
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Millenium Blades was a hit with my group, although weirdly enough I was a bit cold on it, but probably because I didn't realize just how much math I needed to do. There's definitely a lot of looking at cards, figuring out how to get one to work, and figuring out what your theoretical maximum score is, keeping in mind things like order of cards played. It kinda made me flash back to those times in high school where I would go to a math competition or something (yes, these are real things), but overall more fun. I'd definitely play it again, and the real time aspect is done really well, and like most other L99 games there are a poo poo ton of setups and variants so it definitely has some longevity if you enjoy the base game. Also the box is sorta cheaply printed since I think some text is already rubbing off. Not sure if this also applies to the cards since I sleeve them, but you should still probably sleeve the cards because they will get manhandled a LOT.
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Apr 24, 2016 01:30
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GrandpaPants posted:Also the box is sorta cheaply printed since I think some text is already rubbing off. Not sure if this also applies to the cards since I sleeve them, but you should still probably sleeve the cards because they will get manhandled a LOT. Are there any sleeves that aren't hella expensive that don't slide off each other?
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Apr 24, 2016 03:12
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signalnoise posted:Are there any sleeves that aren't hella expensive that don't slide off each other? I don't know what the standard for hella expensive is, but the answer is likely no. I think matte sleeves slide less, but they're also more expnensive. The 800 or so you'd need will cost about $50?
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Apr 24, 2016 04:02
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I'm just going to use penny sleeves and not stack the deck super high. And refill it when needed. Might sleeve as I play and put sleeved cards at the bottom of the pile next game.
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Apr 24, 2016 04:04
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The one time I played Arkham Horror like 8 years ago remains the worst 6 hour boardgame experience I've ever had. e: gently caress, pretend I quoted one of those people talking about Arkham Horror.
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Apr 24, 2016 04:20
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Lichtenstein posted:Didn't think anyone cared. I might be in quite comfortable situation irl (namely, leeway to do stupid poo poo and keep stuff lying all around the place) to revive it pretty soon. I definitely have all the game state data noted down for such an occurence. You should do an LP of Fields of Fire.
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Apr 24, 2016 04:53
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drat Dirty Ape posted:The one time I played Arkham Horror like 8 years ago remains the worst 6 hour boardgame experience I've ever had. So, I run a tight ship when I moderate AH. I will also admit that event cards are a read to yourself thing, resolve and talk to your neighbours about it when it's not your turn. All you really need to know as a player is how skills, combats and closing gates works. You wanna accumutate things and close gates. Faster rather than not. Don't die (but if you do, it's not like you're out of the game.)
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Apr 24, 2016 05:03
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Andarel posted:Re: FCM taser rates posted:I could see EB working as an opener sometimes if the map is really scarce on drinks, that and having an exclusive freezer is pretty nice, but 99% of the time I think RG or Trainer is the right choice. By the way, maybe it's just me and my group that didn't notice this rule the first couple of times we played, but only the CEO can manage manager-type employees, in other words for the first phase of the game you can have at most three black cards in play at once. Thanks for these - game went really smoothly! Three of us were obliterated by a fourth who just got a couple key milestones early and then hung in until the end because he rushed an early Zeppelin (because Zeppelin) and could just generate a ton of drinks. Good, good game, dang, though.
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Apr 24, 2016 05:19
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The General posted:So, I run a tight ship when I moderate AH. I will also admit that event cards are a read to yourself thing, resolve and talk to your neighbours about it when it's not your turn. To be fair, the owner of the game had never actually played it before. He thought he read and understood the rules, but he was wrong. To add to it, a bunch of us had invited our SOs to experience a 'games day' for the first time so it was a terrible experience all around. Basically every turn consisted of someone saying 'ok, can I do this?' and then we all watched TV for 5-10 minutes while the owner frantically flipped through the rule book to find the answer. I don't remember much about the game, but I think somehow my character ended up instantly going insane and spending the entire grueling game locked inside an asylum or something. Obviously I don't remember the rules, but I remember thinking it was like landing on a 'lose 5 tuns' spot when each turn lasts an hour, making an already painful experience even worse.
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Apr 24, 2016 13:59
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That's not just about AH though is it? Played Cyclades for the first time last night. The auction mechanic was neat (although shuffling the god boards was unnecessarily annoying) but I ended up being crushed with no way to get back up - the bonus from Apollo just isn't big enough to make it worthwhile. Making losing players sit out a turn sucks. Is it worth trying again?
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Apr 24, 2016 15:20
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That feeling when you are barely able to understand the rules of Twilight Struggle yet and playing the AI to try to figure out the absolute basics, being challenged and trying to figure out how card A interacts with card B and get a better sense of how to predict someone else's cards but you're still so bad that the AI is a good challenge... ...and someone on your friends list tells you STOP PLAYING THE AI, IT'S SOOOO BAD *looks at record against AI* *sighs and shuts down game*
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Apr 24, 2016 15:23
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I don't want to play against randoms anyway, so it sounds like you have friends who are telling you "I'm going to crush you every single game but you should play me anyway". I'm playing with friends who are also crap at the game, but if I didn't have them to play against, I'd play against the A.I.
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Apr 24, 2016 15:30
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Playing Arkham Horror with a moderator definitely improves the experience, especially if they can set up the game beforehand for a 3-4 hour single-game event, rather than trying to wedge it into a whole day of gaming. At the same point, I have not played in a few years, and I don't feel the need to ever play it again. I mean, I would play it if someone else wanted to, but only if everyone else has played it before so it doesn't take forever. I'd rather spend 3-4 hours learning a new game.
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Just play Eldritch.
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