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Nobody watches official MtG streams because they have 3rd rate production values and because MODO sucks dick. It's not rocket science.
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Apr 24, 2016 18:17
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It's for wotc to decide how to spend its marketing budget, but giving people so little time's notice is lovely.
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Apr 24, 2016 18:21
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Lol https://twitter.com/fffreakmtg/status/724245424551411712
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Apr 24, 2016 18:23
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Apr 24, 2016 18:31
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Apr 24, 2016 18:32
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Skyl3lazer posted:
HAIL SATAN!
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Apr 24, 2016 18:41
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Cernunnos posted:HAIL SATAN!  am I doing this right
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Apr 24, 2016 18:44
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Skyl3lazer posted:
HAIL SATAN! someone get me a beta unholy strength plz & ty all hail our dark lord and master
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Apr 24, 2016 18:45
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I feel like Wotc could make their events cheaper for then and most involved if they would just host the pt in the US. Seems like a more sane thing to do.
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Apr 24, 2016 18:49
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odiv posted:Is viewership of the PTs even really that high? It seems like the vast majority of people who buy Magic cards probably don't really give a poo poo about it. And of those who do, I doubt that many of them care how much the appearance fee is. Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how and if the quality of play drops (or how that can even be measured). At least the WotC write-up on the changes includes the old amounts so we don't have to go hunting them down. Relative to other twitch streams and esports? no way. For magic events? Yes. Back when the fight about modern PT's was on after the original "nothing but standard!" announcement and they added modern back, Helene Bergot defended the decision by pointing out the last couple modern PT's had the highest viewership of any PT's in history. I understand finally why the PT having modern is an issue, but like many who like the modern format, watching pro level play is really enjoyable. It is a false dichotomy WOTC created themselves, you can only have this high level play if the format gets significant shakeups prior to the event. The pro tour is what it is, but there is nothing stopping them from making a high level invitational event with good prize support. Have it every summer and call it the masters championship and rotate between legacy and modern every other year, draft the "blank masters" set and play the format, as is. It would be a 5th PT basically but invites can be whatever criteria they want and we get to see some good eternal format play.
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Apr 24, 2016 19:08
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I don't want to say I'm better at Magic than Steve Rubin, but I think my X/0 lifetime record against him in limited speaks for itself. X is 1. And it was a team draft.
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Apr 24, 2016 19:12
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I'm interested to see how many Magic pros (i.e. people really doing this for their profession, like the platinum ones) drop out now.Sickening posted:I feel like Wotc could make their events cheaper for then and most involved if they would just host the pt in the US. Seems like a more sane thing to do. The Europeans would lose their dang minds.
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Apr 24, 2016 19:23
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clamiam45 posted:I'm interested to see how many Magic pros (i.e. people really doing this for their profession, like the platinum ones) drop out now. I'd venture to bet, very few. Appearance fees aren't really where the money is in pro Magic. And if 2 or 3 thousand dollars a year difference makes it unsustainable as a pro, then it wasn't a financially viable profession in the first place. Edit: I use the term "profession" exceedingly loosely here
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Apr 24, 2016 19:32
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suicidesteve posted:I don't want to say I'm better at Magic than Steve Rubin, but I think my X/0 lifetime record against him in limited speaks for itself. My record against Pro Tour winners is 1-0 as well based on that one time I beat Craig Wescoe in a MODO tournament.
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Apr 24, 2016 19:42
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stinkles1112 posted:I'd venture to bet, very few. Appearance fees aren't really where the money is in pro Magic. And if 2 or 3 thousand dollars a year difference makes it unsustainable as a pro, then it wasn't a financially viable profession in the first place. Ah ha ha ha. Your logic is as bad as your math. Platinum players are losing ~11k/yr on this. If you wouldn't start looking at other jobs after a forced 11k/yr pay cut, you're a loving moron.
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Apr 24, 2016 19:53
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Toshimo posted:Ah ha ha ha. Your logic is as bad as your math. Platinum players are losing ~11k/yr on this. If you wouldn't start looking at other jobs after a forced 11k/yr pay cut, you're a loving moron. I would say that if you are relying on being a magic pro as your primary source of income, you're already a moron.
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Apr 24, 2016 19:56
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Who's this guy? I like the song and hair style evolution. https://twitter.com/mishrasfotoshop/status/724071780101423105
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Apr 24, 2016 20:15
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Chill la Chill posted:Who's this guy? I like the song and hair style evolution. That's Finkel. He used to be a fat kid with terrible hair. suicidesteve fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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Apr 24, 2016 20:19
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Skyl3lazer posted:
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Apr 24, 2016 20:21
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Chill la Chill posted:Who's this guy? I like the song and hair style evolution. I do not think evolution is the right word to describe that
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Apr 24, 2016 20:24
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Skyl3lazer posted:
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Apr 24, 2016 20:33
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stinkles1112 posted:I'd venture to bet, very few. Appearance fees aren't really where the money is in pro Magic. And if 2 or 3 thousand dollars a year difference makes it unsustainable as a pro, then it wasn't a financially viable profession in the first place. Platinum pros are losing about $11k a year. And I'd also wager that anyone taking a pay CUT to do the same thing (even if only 2 or 3k) would reevaluate if they're working in the right place. It seems doubly strange because it's largely a pittance from what I'd imagine WotC is pulling in-there's like 40 platinum pros total. It really feels like they want to deemphasize competitive play and the idea of "magic pros" entirely.
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Apr 24, 2016 20:36
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They're only trying to kill organized play so that they can disband the judge program, duh. 
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Apr 24, 2016 20:44
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I'd love to see a balance sheet of Wizards' revenue and expenditures. Richard Garfield's Magic IP is a license to print money, but Wizards spends like a desperate company on the verge of bankruptcy and they've cut a lot of things that are important to long-term profitability. I suspect that someone promised Hasbro that Magic would keep growing at the same rate as that crazy period from Innistrad to Khans, and now that Magic is stagnating this is panic to preserve that person's job.
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Apr 24, 2016 20:44
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Sickening posted:I feel like Wotc could make their events cheaper for then and most involved if they would just host the pt in the US. Seems like a more sane thing to do. Or wotc could stop being ridiculously greedy and look at the PT as a loss leader that improves the visibility of their game and makes players want to buy more singles.
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Apr 24, 2016 20:45
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rabidsquid posted:Or wotc could stop being ridiculously greedy and look at the PT as a loss leader that improves the visibility of their game and makes players want to buy more singles. The problem with that is they make no money off the secondary market and people watching the pro tour are probably not going to get excited when a deck wins to the point where they go play cardboard lottery to see if they can get the key cards for that deck. Perhaps if they did what the Pokemon TCG does and, you know, actually reprint expensive cards aggressively?
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Apr 24, 2016 20:52
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If you think the only thing that matters is immediate profit you might be able to get a job with them, so bravo.
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Apr 24, 2016 20:54
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Count Bleck posted:The problem with that is they make no money off the secondary market and people watching the pro tour are probably not going to get excited when a deck wins to the point where they go play cardboard lottery to see if they can get the key cards for that deck. The secondary market opens a lot packs, actually - Retailers open a lot of product to stock their shelves, and Limited is driven by players who are looking to offset the cost of the event by selling the good cards. Hell, Limited is only really viable for Magic play at all because of the secondary market.
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Apr 24, 2016 20:55
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Let's not have the reprint policy argument for five pages again, please
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Apr 24, 2016 20:55
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Chamale posted:I'd love to see a balance sheet of Wizards' revenue and expenditures. Richard Garfield's Magic IP is a license to print money, but Wizards spends like a desperate company on the verge of bankruptcy and they've cut a lot of things that are important to long-term profitability. I suspect that someone promised Hasbro that Magic would keep growing at the same rate as that crazy period from Innistrad to Khans, and now that Magic is stagnating this is panic to preserve that person's job. Is there any evidence that things have slowed down since Khans? I mean for all the griping around here it was my impression that BFZ/OOG sold like gangbusters due to expedition hunters, and SoI seems to have been well received. Count Bleck posted:The problem with that is they make no money off the secondary market and people watching the pro tour are probably not going to get excited when a deck wins to the point where they go play cardboard lottery to see if they can get the key cards for that deck.
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Apr 24, 2016 20:57
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Anecdotaly standard attendance was down quite a bit the last six months at most shops it sounds like. I don't know how much of it was made up for in Modern / drafting. No idea on actual player counts of course because nobody knows that and only Wizards has the roughest idea.
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Apr 24, 2016 21:15
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alansmithee posted:Is there any evidence that things have slowed down since Khans? I mean for all the griping around here it was my impression that BFZ/OOG sold like gangbusters due to expedition hunters, and SoI seems to have been well received. "Increased profits are great! How do we get even more?"
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Apr 24, 2016 21:15
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Count Bleck posted:The problem with that is they make no money off the secondary market and people watching the pro tour are probably not going to get excited when a deck wins to the point where they go play cardboard lottery to see if they can get the key cards for that deck. Off-topic, but what are the competitive formats for Pokemon TCG? Do they have equivalents to Standard, Modern, Draft etc.?
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Apr 24, 2016 21:46
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C-Euro posted:Off-topic, but what are the competitive formats for Pokemon TCG? Do they have equivalents to Standard, Modern, Draft etc.? They have a standard format and a modern equivalent. Those are the only formats that the Pokemon company supports. Though they so have sealed for pre-releases. E: they also only rotate standard once a year at worlds. Their modern like format was started in 2014 and hasn't rotated so far, but no one had said it won't in the future. So it could be more like extended used to be.
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Apr 24, 2016 21:48
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C-Euro posted:Off-topic, but what are the competitive formats for Pokemon TCG? Do they have equivalents to Standard, Modern, Draft etc.? I;ve drafted Pokemon before. it was a very, very, very bizarre experience.
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Apr 24, 2016 21:57
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Isn't it done Rochester style?
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Apr 24, 2016 22:18
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Elblanco posted:They have a standard format and a modern equivalent. Those are the only formats that the Pokemon company supports. Though they so have sealed for pre-releases. They also have a legacy like format, which is fairly new and is more like "cards from since X set onwards" over every card with a banlist
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Apr 24, 2016 22:18
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Count Bleck posted:They also have a legacy like format, which is fairly new and is more like "cards from since X set onwards" over every card with a banlist Yea, that's what I was calling the modern like format, which I just remembered is called expanded.
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Elblanco posted:Yea, that's what I was calling the modern like format, which I just remembered is called expanded. They've since added another format, called Unlimited. It's literally like 2 or 3 months new in terms of playability on the Online client.
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