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kid sinister posted:You're from the UK? I thought they called GFCIs something different there. The main benefit of conduit is that they can put it in the concrete walls and floors when they're being cast. Opening up a wall to put an extra conduit in is a hell of a job involving a wall chaser, rotary hammer, concrete, and stucco. Though you're right, adding in ground wires to the parts of the house where there was none was pretty easy. Much easier than it would have been if they had just stuck 2 conductor wire in the concrete. There is an exception to this whole no-bundeling, no-conduit sharing rule. It's called YMVK cable. YMVK gets a pass because it itself counts as being cable and conduit in one. My shed/workshop is on a circuit that uses YMVK-AS cable. the -AS denoting a braided steel jacket that is used as the ground conductor, making it safe to bury the cable. I think it's sort of comparable to your Romex, although I don't know how Romex is with burying cables and being flame retardant. 
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Deedle posted:Not from the UK, continental Europe. We call a GFCI an "Earth Leak Switch", because it switches off when current leaks to earth. That sorta makes sense, but only sorta. Romex is really just a brand name (though it's kinda like Kleenex or Asprin at this point). Basic in-wall cable is technically NM-B and is not rated for direct burial or use encased in concrete or anything like that. The stuff rated for direct-burial is called UF.
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Okay guys, protip time: if you're linking an image from imgur, you can put an 'l' (that's a lowercase 'L') right before the file extension to get a size that won't gently caress up the forum tables. So e.g. instead of https://imgur.com/PGoDp2X.jpg you can use https://imgur.com/PGoDp2Xl.jpg and get this:
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Haha, yeah, I'm not really that surprised, it was just a moment of thoughtlessness. Forget testing tools (which I already own) I could have just flipped the switch to make sure the circuit was dead. Flipping the switch is a good positive test, but a bad negative test. That is, if the disposal comes on, the circuit is on for sure. If it doesn't come on, it doesn't tell you much. Remember, you're probably opening up the box because something is broken. You're not sure what is broken quite yet. This is the crappy construction thread, you should expect backfeeding, 5 circuits in a box, and live, abandoned knob and tube with asbestos wiring in the box. Learn to use a volt meter (the kind that gives you numbers, not just a yes or no), and test it using similar voltage before each use. Working on 120 volts? Test it on a working outlet first. That way you know the 0v reading you see is true, and not just because your meter is broken.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Okay guys, protip time: if you're linking an image from imgur, you can put an 'l' (that's a lowercase 'L') right before the file extension to get a size that won't gently caress up the forum tables. So e.g. instead of https://imgur.com/PGoDp2X.jpg you can use https://imgur.com/PGoDp2Xl.jpg and get this: I forgot some people don't use SA specific browser extensions, oops.
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Guy Axlerod posted:This is the crappy construction thread, you should expect backfeeding, 5 circuits in a box, and live, abandoned knob and tube with asbestos wiring in the box. Not 400 lbs of concrete in a 1-gang box?
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Zhentar posted:UK rings aren't 16A though, they're 32. Deedle is probably in some other Euro country (which probably requires conduit because they consider unprotected NM cable frighteningly vulnerable to damage and thus dangerous). The most crowded conduit in my house has 8 conductors in it. The normal brown, blue, green-yellow for phase, neutral, ground, and a bunch of black for two lighting circuits. Because it is all on the same group and the conduit is less than 30% filled it's all perfectly legal.
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Previous owner decided connecting a new faucet to this disaster was a good idea: Predictably, it started leaking and needed to be replaced. I hate gate valves. There are only two remaining in my house, and they will go as soon as we replace the water heater. Every other gate valve has failed, and I've had to replace it (we've only owned the house for 4 months).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmOoAWrn1kM Electric showerheads are already scary, and this one is especially so
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This is a security feature at Trump Tower. Only Donald’s tiny hands can fit in there to insert the key.
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Platystemon posted:This is a security feature at Trump Tower. Only Donald’s tiny hands can fit in there to insert the key. Much like Donald, the key is very short, so he gives the lock a lot of money.
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canyoneer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmOoAWrn1kM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNjA0aee07k It does not make you feel any better about using one of those.... especially with no ground connection.
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So does the coin bridge the breaker or keep you from flipping it?
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It looks like a hole to put a padlock through to prevent flipping the breaker to me.
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suuma posted:It looks like a hole to put a padlock through to prevent flipping the breaker to me. Preventing a person from flipping it manually, but it’ll still flip internally on overload.
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Apr 26, 2016 16:32
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Aren't the padlocked breakers usually so you can padlock them *off*. So if you got some guy fixing a big machine he can lock it off and not worry about being killed when some schmo turns it back on.
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Apr 26, 2016 17:09
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Paging everyone in the osha thread to come over and talk about safety lockouts and why they are sacred religious icons of safety.
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Is the problem that the padlock thinger is bent so that the switch is inoperable?
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Apr 26, 2016 17:25
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That's a washer, not a lock out. And it appears they cut into the breaker to "install" it.
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LordSaturn posted:Is the problem that the padlock thinger is bent so that the switch is inoperable? Bingo.  https://www.reddit.com/r/OSHA/comments/4gifjp/they_got_tired_of_the_breaker_tripping_so_they/ According to reddit they were tired of it tripping so they bent the lockout attachment over in an attempt to stop it. Who needs to solve the problem, just (try to) hide the symptoms!
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Oh wow, it really was a lockout. It totally looked like a washer from that pic I had.
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This was hiding under the linoleum, which was under the carpet, in the living room of the ~1928-built house my mom is finally renovating. other crappy parts: when they leveled it the drywall in the living room sort of exploded off the walls, and now there's a gap between the concrete wall on the short end of the house and the actual load-bearing bits
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atomicthumbs posted:This was hiding under the linoleum, which was under the carpet, in the living room of the ~1928-built house my mom is finally renovating. FloorBulb (TM): for when you really need to look for that tiny screw you dropped and / or want to provide a convenient floor-level heat source for your cat.
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Potato Alley posted:FloorBulb (TM): for when you really need to look for that tiny screw you dropped and / or want to provide a convenient floor-level heat source for your cat. The Edison screw fitting pre‐dates the two‐bladed plug and socket. 
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Platystemon posted:The Edison screw fitting pre‐dates the two‐bladed plug and socket. Huh. So it actually enforces polarity. Did they even bother with which terminal was hot and which was neutral back then?
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flosofl posted:Huh. So it actually enforces polarity. Did they even bother with which terminal was hot and which was neutral back then? Yes. There were occasional mistakes, but having the sleeve hot was more dangerous than the alternative so they tried to get it right. I’ll bet you’ve bumped bare metal with your fingers while changing a bulb in an awkward fixture at least once.
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Platystemon posted:The Edison screw fitting pre‐dates the two‐bladed plug and socket. I had no loving clue this existed. That's pretty interesting, thanks!
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I actually thought it was a screw-in socket for a fuse, after I rejected the floor-bulb idea.
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Platystemon posted:The Edison screw fitting pre‐dates the two‐bladed plug and socket. You can warm your house and have some convenient toast at the same time.
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Platystemon posted:The Edison screw fitting pre‐dates the two‐bladed plug and socket. That's actually pretty cool. Never heard of that before. Also the electric butt plug warmer there is a pretty revolutionary idea probably pretty ahead-of-its-time at the time though
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ExplodingSims posted:That's actually pretty cool. Never heard of that before. I think those actually are the butt plugs.
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Platystemon posted:The Edison screw fitting pre‐dates the two‐bladed plug and socket. yes, but NEMA 1 was definitely fully in use by the time this thing was built. Leperflesh posted:I actually thought it was a screw-in socket for a fuse, after I rejected the floor-bulb idea. no fuses here! nothing but reliable Stab-Lok circuit breakers by Federal Pacific Electric.
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Well? Was it hot? Lick your fingers and find out.
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My house still has a few of those. I also have several "plugs" for them - they're made of porcelain and just cover up the socket so babby doesn't get a shock I guess.
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H110Hawk posted:Well? Was it hot? Lick your fingers and find out. I put a light bulb in it and flipped the switch and nothing happened 
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atomicthumbs posted:I put a light bulb in it and flipped the switch and nothing happened that is kinda disappointing
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atomicthumbs posted:I put a light bulb in it and flipped the switch and nothing happened Do bear in mind that since the socket is upside down on the floor, you'll need to either invert your bulb or track down an australian one. A north american bulb installed in the standard orientation won't work here.
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