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voltcatfish posted:Dude I think Souls 3 had the hardest early game Can't speak for Bloodborne but I'd agree. Again, mainly because Lothric Knights are insanely aggressive enemies relative to other stuff you encounter in the early game. And there are spear variants as well, so you have to learn how to handle two different types of extreme aggression in the first zone. Nothing in the first zones of the other games really compares to that. EDIT: Its hard for me to gauge SOTFS early game though actually. I was so used to DS2 I had no trouble with it, but I could see how the abundance of turtle knights in the first zone would cause trouble for some people. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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voltcatfish posted:Dude I think Souls 3 had the hardest early game Even the tutorial boss is probably harder than DS1, if only slightly. (Why didn't DS2 have a Tutorial boss, I wonder?)
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voltcatfish posted:Dude I think Souls 3 had the hardest early game For me it was Dark Souls 2 because you're so incredibly feeble and the Hollow Knights track you and come in multiples. DS1 and DS3 you can get past much of the early game with patience, side-stepping, and backstabs. Once you make it through the early game, though, DS2 becomes super easy up until about Drangleic Castle. DS3 there's fewer tracking enemies early on (Lothric Knights aside) which means you can make slow progress with patient backstabbing even with a fragile build. But you have a much smaller margin of error because many enemies will chain you to death if you get caught off guard. Blaziken386 posted:(Why didn't DS2 have a Tutorial boss, I wonder?) The Last Giant teaches you how to stay between the boss's legs 
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Apr 26, 2016 04:55
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Harrow posted:I would do Latria naked and with my bare fists 10 times before I'd do Irithyll Dungeon again. I don't know dude, The Gutter is a thing that exists.
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Apr 26, 2016 04:56
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I might have just been out of practice but I found the High Walls absolutely merciless, it's got a half-dozen flavors of nastiness to throw at you and doesn't give a poo poo whether you're ready for any of it or not.
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Night Blade posted:I don't know dude, The Gutter is a thing that exists. You can fly through the Gutter in about 30 seconds if you know what you're doing. I don't know if you can ignore the Jailors in Irithyll Dungeon, but running through the entire dungeon takes at least a few minutes to be able to make it to the Profaned Capital bonfire and there's a couple fights that are hard to skip.
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Brannock posted:You can fly through the Gutter in about 30 seconds if you know what you're doing. I don't know if you can ignore the Jailors in Irithyll Dungeon, but running through the entire dungeon takes at least a few minutes to be able to make it to the Profaned Capital bonfire and there's a couple fights that are hard to skip. Yeah but "how fast can I run right through it if I know what I'm doing already" is a bad metric for souls levels. I thought Irithyll Dungeon was kinda cool?  Gutter is very barebones, not just in how hard it is to get through but the content and enemies, there's just not much to it. The only thing cool about gutter is lighting all the sconces and seeing the room light up. Otherwise its just a platform transition to black gulch.
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Apr 26, 2016 05:00
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Oxxidation posted:I might have just been out of practice but I found the High Walls absolutely merciless, it's got a half-dozen flavors of nastiness to throw at you and doesn't give a poo poo whether you're ready for any of it or not. 
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Apr 26, 2016 05:00
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Brannock posted:You can fly through the Gutter in about 30 seconds if you know what you're doing. I don't know if you can ignore the Jailors in Irithyll Dungeon, but running through the entire dungeon takes at least a few minutes to be able to make it to the Profaned Capital bonfire and there's a couple fights that are hard to skip. You can run from them but unless you are patient you will take some hits.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I disliked Gutter (and most of Dark Souls 2) for being super visually boring and I vastly prefer DS3's richness and detail. Irithyll Dungeon was hard and took me a long while and tested my patience but I ultimately liked it and all the little nooks and side paths and shortcuts you could open up to fully explore it.
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tower of latria caused me to get really lost every time and get confused nad break down and cry and wonder where i am and what the gently caress am idoing with my life why can't i progress o
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Apr 26, 2016 05:02
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Better get in on the boss soul glitch while ya can. PC master race can autohotkey it (use a program to lock in 30 frames/sec) Saves lovely grinding if ya wanna quickly make highet lvl pvp characters
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Apr 26, 2016 05:03
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Being cindered in the Irithyll Dungeon, dreading an invasion as I moved through a difficult level slowly with gently caress You Enemies, hoping the next bonfire was in the next room and it never was well that's why I play souls
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Dragonslayer Armor makes up for the entire Lothric Castle area being totally unfun. What a cool fight! I love the artillery barrage. 
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Apr 26, 2016 05:03
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Irithyll Dungeon is only "bad" because of the jailers. That tenseness they cause actually makes it pretty rad. I don't think anything in Soulsborne games has made me that on edge since the first time I stumbled into the Dragon God fight without knowing there'd be a boss fight immediately after a boss fight.
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Apr 26, 2016 05:04
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah but "how fast can I run right through it if I know what I'm doing already" is a bad metric for souls levels. I just hate everything about the Jailers. Even with a big, heavy weapon I can't seem to get through an encounter with more than one of them without just having a sliver of HP remaining, and then I just have to stand around and wait for it to come back and chug Estus and it's just tedious. The whole area is just really tedious. I'd rather deal with Winter Lanterns in Bloodborne.
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Hardest early game enemies for sure. Vordt's got nothing on Gascoigne though.
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Harrow posted:I just hate everything about the Jailers. Even with a big, heavy weapon I can't seem to get through an encounter with more than one of them without just having a sliver of HP remaining, and then I just have to stand around and wait for it to come back and chug Estus and it's just tedious. The whole area is just really tedious. Huh? They go down so quick though. I don't think I've ever managed to lose more than like, half my lifebar from fighting them, and that was when I got cocky and tried fighting two at once in the final 8 jailor room. By the way the trick to that room is to open the door to the crucified thing, aggro it outside, and let it murder the jailors for you as he's aggro to them. Since he's a prisoner, you see.
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God, the Gutter was the worst. Especially since the Black Gulch, which actually looked great and had fun enemies, was super short after that godawful slog. It was like all the worst parts of Blighttown combined together. Those stupid dog enemies with their insane hitboxes, the platforms that all looked the same, the poison arrows from everywhere, just... ugh. I'm really glad DS3 doesn't have any of the weirdly short areas that 2 had. That annoyed me more than anything else, it had a lot of variety but some zones were done in literally 5-10 minutes. Every area in DS3 really feels like a place that has a purpose other than being a level in a video game. Only Majula and the Forest had that in DS2.
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Harrow posted:I just hate everything about the Jailers. Even with a big, heavy weapon I can't seem to get through an encounter with more than one of them without just having a sliver of HP remaining, and then I just have to stand around and wait for it to come back and chug Estus and it's just tedious. The whole area is just really tedious. The jailers didn't end up too bad, but it's the only level in any Souls game I got lost and kept going in circles in.
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Infinity Gaia posted:Huh? They go down so quick though. I don't think I've ever managed to lose more than like, half my lifebar from fighting them, and that was when I got cocky and tried fighting two at once in the final 8 jailor room. When I tried that it kept running after me and then got cornered in a doorway and branded to death by four jailers, who then turned on me. Had a tiny sliver of health left but I killed them all. The butcher knife's wide hit radius wins again!
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aside from invasions being garbage in this game, red soapstone pvp is still mostly really fun. Just now I got summoned as a purple to fight a guy with a red dude on his side. At first I was like oh, fighting against both of them huh, thats fine I guess. But the red phantom didn't do any emoting or even have a weapon, so while I was fighting the host he just stuck to his side, and if I took some distance he just ran up to me and punched me once. After killing the host he just backstabbed me as if to take revenge for his fallen master or something. poo poo was fun and weird and as such souls pvp at its best.
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Begemot posted:I'm really glad DS3 doesn't have any of the weirdly short areas that 2 had. That annoyed me more than anything else, it had a lot of variety but some zones were done in literally 5-10 minutes. Every area in DS3 really feels like a place that has a purpose other than being a level in a video game. Only Majula and the Forest had that in DS2. The Consumed King's Garden is both pretty short and lovely (since I run past half the zone, myself)
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The jailers terrible secret is that if you just run up and smack them in the face before their lantern turns red, your health bar stays the same. For the majority of them, this isn't hard to do. I mean there's that one big room but patience is the key there. The dungeon itself really isn't that big once you open the shortcuts. You'll need to make multiple trips, but I didn't find it that hard. In fact, I only died to the jailers once and it wasn't really my fault, just getting caught off-guard by a complete dick move. "Hm, try attacking? I don't see anything here but okay. Wonder wha- WHAT THE HELL WHY ARE THESE GUYS INVISIBLE NO WAIT I NEED TO HEA-" Literally nothing else like that in the game, no hints about it, just a random gently caress you. Not cool. On a more positive note, I finally finished Sirris dumb quest so my fashion souls on this character is complete.  
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I can't seem to find any info on parry frames for the small shield-- is there an advantage to Target or Buckler over Llewellyn or Bloom this time around? It feels like there should be, but I don't feel a difference in difficulty parrying.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Has anyone figured out what the I-frames/recovery frames are on Quickstep? I've found Quickstep to be super useless. You simply can't attack out of it fast enough for it to be actually useful. Sure, you can dodge your enemy, but you can't punish them for the attack you just quickstepped; they're already rolling away from you. Combine with all the quickstep weapons having super tiny reach or being bizarrely slow (daggers, thrall axe and the manikin claws respectively), it's little more than a novelty. Edit: this is PvP usage. In PvE, there's no reason to use it over rolling at all since rolling is more than sufficient unless you really just like the animation THAT much.
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I beat the game. The latter third of the game was super lame to me, with most of the bosses having a similar gimmick. My ending seemed meaningless. Sure, I snuffed out the fire, but even the Keeper says that it comes back. It always does. So I just perpetuated the cycle anew. That's all I feel like saying right now.
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Bogart posted:I beat the game. The latter third of the game was super lame to me, with most of the bosses having a similar gimmick. My ending seemed meaningless. Sure, I snuffed out the fire, but even the Keeper says that it comes back. It always does. So I just perpetuated the cycle anew. That's all I feel like saying right now. Young Hollow, there are but two paths. You must inherit the order of this world... ..or destroy it.
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Seems my game may be bugged. I killed Yorhm and that was my 3rd lord of cinder. Yet that final part has not been triggered. I did not get teleported to high wall and when i went myself Emma has not been triggered. What should I do?
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Obligatum VII posted:I've found Quickstep to be super useless. You simply can't attack out of it fast enough for it to be actually useful. Sure, you can dodge your enemy, but you can't punish them for the attack you just quickstepped; they're already rolling away from you. Combine with all the quickstep weapons having super tiny reach or being bizarrely slow (daggers, thrall axe and the manikin claws respectively), it's little more than a novelty. In PVE it's really useful I dunno if bosses are timed for rolls or it's just that it uses less stamina but especially Nameless King (ground phase), Twin Princes and Soul of Cinder are almost disappointingly easy with a Thrall Axe... you just quickstep right through their swing and then hit them a bunch... you don't ever have to stop hugging them or anything.
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Raged posted:Seems my game may be bugged. I killed Yorhm and that was my 3rd lord of cinder. Yet that final part has not been triggered. I did not get teleported to high wall and when i went myself Emma has not been triggered. What should I do? kill her
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Harrow posted:I'd rather deal with Winter Lanterns in Bloodborne. let's not say things we can't take back I'm in NG+ right now and Irithyll Dungeon is so much easier the second time around. I know what to expect and know where poo poo is. The only part I really hate at this point is the room with all the Jailers, but once I get all the poo poo/free Karla, I can just dash past them all. It's, if nothing else, a real short area once you have the Jailbreaker Key.
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Bogart posted:I beat the game. The latter third of the game was super lame to me, with most of the bosses having a similar gimmick. My ending seemed meaningless. Sure, I snuffed out the fire, but even the Keeper says that it comes back. It always does. So I just perpetuated the cycle anew. That's all I feel like saying right now. I don't interpret that ending the same way you do. The First Flame is gone forever, as is the age of Lords. There will be new embers, but it's something entirely new--it isn't the First Flame, the cycle is over. This is the world born anew, emerging from the darkness to a different Age. In the previous games, the First Flame never actually died out in any of the endings. Maybe your character didn't link it, but someone else inevitably would, and so it would go on. In the ending you're talking about, it actually, really goes out, cradled in the Fire Keeper's hands. It's gone for good. Whatever light and fire comes next, it won't be the First Flame. Harrow fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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behold the cheat engine
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All this talk about the Dungeons and areas/tricks that I definitely don't remember when I went through.... which means I have to go back. 
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Another dumb question but if I want to play pyromancy I start as pyromancer right?
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voltcatfish posted:Another dumb question but if I want to play pyromancy I start as pyromancer right? You get the pyromancy flame from an NPC in Undead Settlement if you don't start as a pyromancer, so it's not too far down the line.
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You can get a glove from the pyro teacher if you really don't want to start as a pyro.
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Two questions: 1. What's a good level to face Aldrich at? I've been running through battles as a white phantom to get better, and I've fought him maybe ten or twelve times and never seen a host beat him. 2. If I'm up to Aldrich's fog gate on one path and Yhorm's fog gate on the other, am I at a point where I could find chaos gem drops? Chaos is my ultra jam.
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