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Mordialloc
Apr 15, 2003

Knight of the Iron Cross

Dude McAwesome posted:

Realtalk: I hate how caught up in their own legend most young servicemen/women are. For the most part, you are not exceptional people, the world doesn't owe you a god drat thing, and you're not better than the average Australian because of that service.

But that's a pretty unpopular opinion that doesn't go down well at the pub. So I've stopped bothering to try and share my critical view of the day with current and recently serving people. People don't like to be told they're not exceptional, and most of them retort with "YOU FUCKIN WHAT oval office?" so yeah.

u and me vs the world mordialloc (previously FYAD KNIGHT?)

Yeah that's me.

It's a day where anyone in a suit has their chest looked at first and anyone who doesn't measure up is ignored.

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adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you
Their Supreme Court has found the while thing to be unconstitutional. That's not something easy to work around.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

quote:

Channel Nine's 60 Minutes has been involved in filming another controversial child recovery operation, this time involving an Australian mother taking her child away from his father in Turkey.

The 2014 recovery that involved the mother and child fleeing on a speedboat to Greece is now the subject of an alleged child abduction case brought in the Family Court.

It has never been put to air.

:eyepop:

MonoAus
Nov 5, 2012
Tirpitzburg sounds awesome. Much more exciting than Perth.

If we're going to play What If.. games then I'm going to say that if England lost WW1 it would have had to agree to some heavy handed peace terms, Australia would subsequently become influenced by whatever powers became dominant in Europe instead of England. WW2 never happens. Australians lean more towards a republic because of the reduced ties to the UK. July 2016 President Turnbull is sworn in.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

MonoAus posted:

Tirpitzburg sounds awesome. Much more exciting than Perth.

If we're going to play What If.. games then I'm going to say that if England lost WW1 it would have had to agree to some heavy handed peace terms, Australia would subsequently become influenced by whatever powers became dominant in Europe instead of England. WW2 never happens. Australians lean more towards a republic because of the reduced ties to the UK. July 2016 President Turnburg is sworn in.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Why are these middle eastern countries so intent on stopping us rescuing their children dont they know how good australia is to children what are they trying to hide surrender your young

Futuresight
Oct 11, 2012

IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

open24hours posted:

What do you think would have happened to Australia if the British had lost WW1?

What the gently caress would the Germans have done that is so terrible? This isn't Nazi Germany we're talking about (which, btw would probably not happen in this Germany wins WW1 timeline). WW1 was just 2 packs of imperialist assholes going at it.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
It is simply not possible for Germany to win WWI. Russia was loving massive and the British imported a fuckload of soldiers from the colonies. It was an unwinnable war for them.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Higsian posted:

What the gently caress would the Germans have done that is so terrible? This isn't Nazi Germany we're talking about (which, btw would probably not happen in this Germany wins WW1 timeline). WW1 was just 2 packs of imperialist assholes going at it.

Whether they would have been benevolent rulers is irrelevant though?

The possibility of another country taking over seems like a pretty clear case of an existential threat.

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
Germany had already beat Russia in 1917 though. Lenin called it quits to go do full communism

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

open24hours posted:

So we're apparently getting French submarines. What does this mean? Is there anywhere that compares the three different bids, or is it all confidential?

Looks like we're getting french designed subs, built in adelaide under a french company, managed by the ADF.

Negligent posted:

Tones promised the subs to Japan. Hurt feelings now

ABC reported that a factor in deciding against the japanese pitch was 'japanese submariners are physically smaller than australian ones on average' so the japanese proposal was not 'roomy' enough for submariners personal space.

Ket posted:

How would rents rise as house prices crash?
I mean I'm not that good at economics, but house prices crashed, wouldn't that lead to people that would then be able to afford it buying houses, leading to less renters leading to downward pressure on renting prices?

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but it just seems counter intuitive that house prices would go one way while rental prices would go the other.

when you cant offset your income to pay less tax, recover tax loss by raising rent in your houses?

ewe2 posted:

Isn't that why a vacancy tax is being proposed to force investor properties onto the rental market? Turnbull's BS is classic muddy the waters he-said she-said. Apparently the Grattan Institute is both wrong AND confirms what the government is saying. Although we already know Morrison and Turnbull can't get their BS straight.

*guffaw*, forcibly introduce unused supply into the market but claim prices will go up.

Futuresight
Oct 11, 2012

IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!
We are too far away for direct rule and weren't independent at the time so we would have just changed masters, which I don't really consider an existential threat. Maybe their rule would have been worse but I don't see any reason to believe that it would necessarily have been.

All this is also assuming we even come under German rule. It's entirely possible they don't ask for us in their demands, especially if we stayed neutral.

Futuresight fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Apr 26, 2016

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
What the heck are you idiots talking about? We'd taken the primary German Pacific colonies by the end of 1914.

In the event of a German "victory" (whatever this means, presumably taking Paris), they may have made some minor territorial gains around their own colonies. Worst case scenario, the then-Australian-administered part of PNG gets ceded.

At no point would the semi-sovereign 'real' Australia have been affected.

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
I feel like the government's missed a trick, the Japanese saw the subs as the building block of a regional defensive alliance against China and had many feels invested in it considering its the first time they would be exporting significant defence tech. Hurto feelingsu~~

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

quote:

The Senate inquiry into nanny state laws, set up by Senator David Leyonhjelm, set out to uncover the ways in which the government unreasonably intrudes on the lives of Australians, but Friday’s hearing left us with a disturbing insight into the life of John Howard. Friday’s hearing heard from the porn industry, represented by the Eros Association’s Joel Murray, who told the senators that Australians illegally downloaded porn because of the lack of legal access to adult material. According to Murray, the reasons for these restrictions go back to the former PM:

“Some fetishes used to be allowed within the X classification, and it is my understanding that under John Howard as prime minister, the X classification was restricted in particular because the prime minister was deeply offended by the idea of water sports and female ejaculation. In fact he claims that female ejaculation was not a true thing.”

http://www.crikey.com.au/2016/04/26/penetrating-insight-john-howards-sex-life/

Nam Taf
Jun 25, 2005

I am Fat Man, hear me roar!

Kommando posted:

ABC reported that a factor in deciding against the japanese pitch was 'japanese submariners are physically smaller than australian ones on average' so the japanese proposal was not 'roomy' enough for submariners personal space.

Lmao this is such a bullshit non-excuse that it's incredible someone thought it'd hold up. The ADF will write a detailed specifications requirement list and that will cover stuff like minimum head clearance, bed lengths, etc. and Japan would happily select their design model and scale by 1.05 to make it work.

Whoever came up with that excuse deserves a payrise for their sheer audacity.

Pidgin Englishman
Apr 30, 2007

If you shoot
you better hit your mark
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-26/png-court-rules-asylum-seeker-detention-manus-island-illegal

This seems major.. Is it for real? Manus getting shut down?

Efb by MILLS

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Sanguine posted:

This seems major.. Is it for real? Manus getting shut down?

:ssh: it's called "clearing the decks for an election".

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

open24hours posted:

Whether they would have been benevolent rulers is irrelevant though?

The possibility of another country taking over seems like a pretty clear case of an existential threat.

WWI was not WWII, and if you think Germany had an interest in seizing Canada/Australia/NZ from the British Empire then you don't have a firm grasp of how imperialism and colonialism worked. It's already been pointed out to you that Australia was an independent nation at the time. More importantly it was also majority white, which meant it was seen as more of a displaced European nation (like Canada or NZ) than a jungle full of resources with a few white overseers which could change hands as easily as shares in a company or gold reserves (like various African territories).

Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

ewe2 posted:

:ssh: it's called "clearing the decks for an election".

How is an adverse ruling from Papua New Guinea's Supreme Court clearing the decks for an Australian election?

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004


Royal Commission into Squirting now.

Brayds2006
Aug 21, 2011

Of course he doesn't think squirting is real, he believes it trickles down instead.

Sparticle
Oct 7, 2012

Laserface posted:

Royal Commission into Squirting now.

TEST RESULT: IT WAS PISS

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

SKY COQ posted:

How is an adverse ruling from Papua New Guinea's Supreme Court clearing the decks for an Australian election?

I'm guessing unless it gets the old "on water" treatment Libs will say how it was Labor that reopened it. Wouldn't be the most tenuous spin I've seen.

Elrond Hubbard
Mar 30, 2007

To ERH
*everyone applauds*

SynthOrange posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-26/png-rules-detention-on-manus-island-illegal/7360078

Papua New Guinea's Supreme Court rules detention of asylum seekers on Manus Island is illegal

Papua New Guinea's Supreme Court has ruled Australia's detention of asylum seekers on Manus Island is illegal.

The five-man bench of the court ruled the detention breached the right to personal liberty in the PNG constitution.

There are 850 men in the detention centre on Manus Island, about half of whom have been found to be refugees.

The Supreme Court has ordered the PNG and Australian Governments to immediately take steps to end the detention of asylum seekers in PNG.

:eyepop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
Peter Dutton is too smart for that. He wasn't named in the case, so you can't tell him what to do

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
ANALYSIS: As a new generation of Australians are locked out of the housing market, an old divide is opening between landowners and renters. The social havoc it brings will play to Labor’s political strengths, writes Ben Eltham.

As media stunts go, the Coalition’s latest was one of the strangest in recent memory.

Desiring a location for his announcement that – surprise! surprise! – the Coalition wouldn’t touch negative gearing for property, the government’s media advisors plumped for theMignacca family of Penshurst in suburban Sydney.

Kim and Julian Mignacca, with Australia’s youngest landlord, Addison (aged 1). (IMAGE: Malcolm Turnbull).

The Mignaccas, you see, are negative gearers. They own a property and are renting it out at a loss. In return for this apparently illogical investment decision, the government gives them a tax concession.

On the face of it, there’s nothing unusual with this. Paying landlords for making a loss on their investment is how negative gearing works, and it helps to drive up the price of property for everyone.

But the frankly ridiculous aspect of the weekend’s media appearance was the revelation of who the investment property was being purchased for: baby Addison, the Mignacca’s one-year old.

“Kim and Julian Mignacca have used negative gearing to buy property and invest in their family’s future,” Prime Minister Turnbull declared on his Facebook page. It turns out that the Mignaccas have bought an investment property to help set their daughter up for her future.

For the hard-pressed renters of Sydney, this was enraging. Sydney’s property prices are the highest in Australia. As the Mignaccas admitted, they bought an investment property and lived with their parents in order to break into Sydney’s exuberant property market.

The very fact that some families are resorting to buying investment properties for their one-year-olds – merely to enjoy the tax advantages of being a landlord – highlights the absurdity of the current arrangements.

On a recent trip to Sydney, I was astonished at how every conversation eventually returned to housing. The main subject was rent, if only because no-one I met could possibly contemplate buying a property in the Emerald City.

Australia is rapidly transforming into a nation of renters and landlords. It’s a historic sea change from our post-war model of housing, where the majority of Australians owned their own house, and federal and state governments invested heavily in public and social housing.

That model underpinned Australia’s social safety net. Australia has a relatively stingy aged pension when compared to many European countries, and most of our retirement policies still assume that the majority of retirees will own their own homes, and will not have to pay rent into their 70s and 80s.

But that’s changing, fast.

House prices have skyrocketed in recent decades, rising at well above the rates of inflation and average wages. The days when younger Australians on an average wage could afford to buy a house in a big capital city are long gone.

Changes in home ownership by age bracket, 1982-2009. Source: AHURI

A recent University of New South Wales report found that the average home buyer was priced out of three-quarters of Sydney homes. Even the remnant sliver of affordable housing in the outer suburbs is quickly disappearing. For perhaps the first time since before the Second World War, middle-income Australians look to be locked out of the housing market forever. According to the UNSW’s Bill Randolph, “we’re at a tipping point where Generation Rent will remain Generation Rent forever.”

For those condemned to rent, conditions are bad and getting worse. In contrast to other rich countries, Australia has few protections for private renters. Tenants are routinely denied simple maintenance requests, or the right to keep a pet. If a landlord wants to sell, tenants are forced to let a succession of strangers into their home for inspections. Landlords can and do rotate tenants at 6- and 12-month intervals.

That’s assuming you can get a place at all. The housing affordability crisis for low-income earners in this country is a snowballing public policy crisis. According to Anglicare, just one in 200 rental properties in Sydney is affordable for a family receiving government benefits. Even middle-class wage earners are now being forced to share house. The single biggest spending item in Victoria’s much-lauded recent family violence policy was $152 million for emergency housing.

The medium-term risks are grave. Australia has not endured a recession for a quarter of a century. When unemployment spiked to 11 per cent in 1991, hundreds of thousands of wage earners were thrown out of work. If a similar event occurred now, Australia would quickly face a widespread mortgage crisis, followed by a spike in homelessness, crime and suicides.

But even if there is no recession, business as usual is pretty bad. The slow transformation of a generation of Australians into permanent renters is up-ending many of the old assumptions about Australian politics. It is quietly radicalising millions of generation Y’s and millennials along class and generational lines.

Younger Australians are better educated than any generation before them, and many have worked long periods in unpaid internships to break into a career. Yet they are locked out of the nation’s key source of household wealth generation – even while their parents’ generation reap the benefits of a seemingly ever-rising asset class. To rub in the insult, landlords are enjoying huge tax breaks with their property privilege.

Whether or not you think property in this country is a giant bubble waiting to pop, the social impact of sky-high property prices is manifest. Teachers and nurses can’t afford to live near their schools or hospitals. Low-income earners are sequestered off in ghettos at the edges of our sprawling cities. Generational divides are exacerbated. Inequality is worsening. Class divisions are sharpening.

This sharpening class divide is the reason Labor’s policy on winding back negative gearing has proved so resonant. Younger Australians can see a future where they are increasingly beholden to an elite class of landlords that will intimate aspects of their everyday lives. They aren’t too happy about that. They are especially unhappy about the billions of dollars worth of tax breaks that are being paid to these landlords, most of whom are quite wealthy.

The potency of the housing debate illustrates one of the structural reasons underpinning the Coalition’s difficult run-up to the federal election. In the Howard years, ever-rising property prices benefited a group of middle-income earners who banked spectacular gains in the value of their family home.

But as prices steepled, the costs of high home prices have moved to the foreground. Australia is a much less equal place than it was in the Howard years. The slide towards a more skewed and imbalanced society has reignited a politics of class division in this country that was long thought to be dormant. We’re not yet seeing Sydney 20-somethings rioting in the streets, but the disaffection with the current housing market is real and deep.

The divisive politics of housing suits Labor, with its focus on inequality and several years worth of well-researched social policy released before the election. In contrast, the issue looks increasingly skewed against the Coalition. Malcolm Turnbull’s embrace of a one-year-old landlord only serves to highlight how out of touch the Coalition has become.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009




Squirting is pee.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

SKY COQ posted:

How is an adverse ruling from Papua New Guinea's Supreme Court clearing the decks for an Australian election?

The department of evil already decided to close Manus by June. The ruling was not exactly a surprise. Manus wasn't controllable, Nauru works perfectly. Manus attracted a lot of heat, lots of dodgy stuff that could be brought up in an election, now it's not a problem, it's become "history". And the bonus is they get to pretend it was the ruling that forced the change, instead of a convenient excuse. The department's idea, not Dutton who wouldn't know subtlety if it threw up on him. I doubt the ALP would make any fuss though. What, did you think it was just a coincidence?

Nauru is just as dodgy but they can blame the Nauru government instead, much harder to report on (if they do, a Nauru resident cops it).

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Ruh-roh

Westpac no longer doing mortgages for non-citizens

https://twitter.com/BullionBaron/status/724842937364930565

https://twitter.com/BullionBaron/status/724850650836795392

Scarecow
May 20, 2008

3200mhz RAM is literally the Devil. Literally.
Lipstick Apathy

katlington posted:

Squirting is pee.

:ssh: no its not

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Scarecow posted:

:ssh: no its not

it is

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/2015/01/12/proof-female-ejaculation-just-pee/

drowned in pussy juice
Oct 13, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Who cares if it's pee it means I'm doing a good job like a pat on the back but a stream of urine in my face mmmmm

drowned in pussy juice
Oct 13, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
gently caress this isn't the gbs thread

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

From that links comments

This study quite categorically differentiates between female ejaculate (a small amount of fluid which contains PSA from the Skene's gland) and 'squirt' (up to a cup of fluid from the bladder). This study says NOTHING about female ejaculate or its composition, so no, this is not proof that 'female ejaculation is just pee'. :shrug:

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope
Do we have to have this conversation? Surely this can go in the GBS thread where I don't have to read it.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Starshark posted:

Do we have to have this conversation? Surely this can go in the GBS thread where I don't have to read it.

That's ok Mr Howard.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

To be honest a German influenced Australia would probably be better than a UK/US influenced one.

Nam Taf posted:

Lmao this is such a bullshit non-excuse that it's incredible someone thought it'd hold up. The ADF will write a detailed specifications requirement list and that will cover stuff like minimum head clearance, bed lengths, etc. and Japan would happily select their design model and scale by 1.05 to make it work.

Whoever came up with that excuse deserves a payrise for their sheer audacity.


It was probably just a couple of work experience kids seeing if they could slip in a subtle dick joke about Asians.

Birdstrike posted:

It's always amusing when the "free market party" demonstrates conclusively that the have no idea about market economics.

This is them showing they know enough about market economics to stack the deck in their mates' favour.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
Turnbull on 7:30 just now

"Under Labor's policy, a plumber with an income of $100,000 would be unable to negatively gear their housing investment.
A wealthy investor, on the other hand, someone who derives income from rents/interest and dividends, would still be able to negatively gear.
"


Mate, if you're an investor and you're negatively gearing, you don't have an income are fukt

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Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011


If this had happened maybe we would have had infrastructure worth a drat.

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