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Return Of JimmyJars posted:http://youvegotmail.warnerbros.com Haha, flash intros. Whoever thought they were good ideas?
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Robnoxious posted:I really liked The Palace BITD... I had a bunch of ipscrae hacks that weren't malicious or anything but made the room a little more fun if kept in check. Time-Warner bought The Palace and couldn't figure out what to do with it and left it to join the abandonware heap of History. I thought it was miles better than MS Comic Chat and some of the palaces made by individuals were pretty intricate for the time. They showcased a lot of digital art by people I'm sure moved on to bigger and better things as a result. I remember the Comedy Central and Sci-Fi Channel Palace sites being massive. The South Park one alone had like 60 something rooms and the MST3K one had live updating screenshots from Sci-Fi channel you could make fun of.
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Apr 26, 2016 13:49
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Lankiveil posted:Haha, flash intros. Whoever thought they were good ideas? Better than that awkard period when entire websites were 1 flash module!
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Apr 26, 2016 14:45
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Lankiveil posted:Haha, flash intros. Whoever thought they were good ideas? Remember the days before HTML had any kind of support for animation or multimedia or even alpha-channel transparency? GIFs were all you got if you wanted images that weren't square. Remember DHTML? Remember layers? http://www.javascriptkit.com/howto/dhtmlguide3.shtml
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Uncle at Nintendo posted:Another thing I forgot about when installing AOL was that back in the Win 9x days it was pretty much a given that anything you installed would hijack your homepage. I was wondering why the hell Firefox was defaulting to Real Player's website. That is some nefarious poo poo, and I remember it being really common. People would be rioting in the streets if it happened today (when installing legit software). Java still tries to install the Yahoo Toolbar every single time you have to upgrade your JRE. It's like it's trying to tell us a meandering story about the Depression
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Apr 26, 2016 14:48
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Java is such a trash heap. gently caress Oracle. Meanwhile the .Net ecosystem is thriving and open and cross platform. Who saw that coming.
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Why does anyone still have java installed? I haven't had it installed for maybe over a year now. I haven't lost any functionality besides some military websites which I only used at work.
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Cojawfee posted:Why does anyone still have java installed? I haven't had it installed for maybe over a year now. I haven't lost any functionality besides some military websites which I only used at work. You see it all the time in Enterprise software. Legacy apps are so lovely.
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Lime Tonics posted:I still use this site time to time when I come across the rare win98 machine still running out there. Some of this software is okay to use, but I would be extremely wary of using anything that connects to the internet from this site. A lot of this older software has serious vulnerabilities in it. People are unironically using older versions of Internet Explorer and lmao I hope they are not entering any sensitive information on that browser.
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Apr 26, 2016 16:18
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Unironically miss frames.
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The Time Dissolver posted:Unironically miss frames. you're a monster
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frames are still used! most embedded content like YouTube are all iframes
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Not those fancy-schmancy iframes Real navigational frames, part of the DOM to begin with and not injected by some JS library, you know with a <FRAMESET> in all caps and everything
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Buttcoin purse posted:VMware might be better from what Turdsdown Tom is saying, so that sounds nice. Tom, are you using VMware Player, is that still free? If you're interested in running 9x operating systems, in my experience VMWare's Workstation Player 12 is the overall easier-to-use option. VirtualBox no longer officially supports 9x as guest clients with their own tools, but VMWare does - and it's free, too.. The only thing you have to get manually if you'd like a 98 install is the audio drivers. VMWare Workstation Player: https://my.vmware.com/en/web/vmware/free#desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_workstation_player/12_0 Win9x Audio Driver: http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/1059/ If you'd like to run semi-modern software or connect to the Internet in the VM, it should go without saying that installing the Unofficial Win98 SP3 is a great idea: http://www.htasoft.com/u98sesp/ barnold has a new favorite as of 19:24 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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Apr 26, 2016 19:21
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Bonzo posted:You see it all the time in Enterprise software. Legacy apps are so lovely. Certain ~cloud-hosted~ call center providers still rely on Java to perform basic functions.
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Apr 26, 2016 19:28
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I just realized that VMWare doesn't support 3D acceleration on any guest OS older than Win2000. I think VirtualBox is the same so I don't think this will come as a surprise, but if you desperately need 3D acceleration then you might want to keep looking.
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Data Graham posted:Not those fancy-schmancy iframes I know what you're saying re: old school frames. BUT for the record iframe is not new and has been supported since the days of Internet Explorer 3. Iframes are only injected into the DOM in some cases and embeds like YouTube aren't JS injected. I remember building a site with iframes in place of server includes in the late nineties and it was still a gigantic mess. And all caps HTML tags is just a "code" formatting preference that has (thankfully) gone out of style.
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Thanks to SGML, naturally. I think all-caps was only formally deprecated as of XHTML 1.0, right?
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I'm sure there are still high school HTML classes out there that are using all caps.
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Cojawfee posted:Why does anyone still have java installed? I haven't had it installed for maybe over a year now. I haven't lost any functionality besides some military websites which I only used at work. We switched to Cisco Anyconnect for VPN in my last job, which required Java. I hated having to install that on my computer.
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Apr 26, 2016 23:03
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Lankiveil posted:Haha, flash intros. Whoever thought they were good ideas? drunk asian neighbor posted:Better than that awkard period when entire websites were 1 flash module! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0nuQ5o2DYU
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Turdsdown Tom posted:I just realized that VMWare doesn't support 3D acceleration on any guest OS older than Win2000. I think VirtualBox is the same so I don't think this will come as a surprise, but if you desperately need 3D acceleration then you might want to keep looking. I never looked into 3D support for older Windows versions much, but from a quick look around at emulators I've heard of, the only options I found were PCem and PCem-X. PCem says it supports 3DFX Voodoo and S3 ViRGE (I think they're the only 3D accelerators on the list) and apparently PCem-X was having RIVA 128 supported added 10 months ago (but I don't know if it's done). I don't think I've ever tried those though, but I think they're probably easy to use so if someone is brave they could try it out. Maybe there are other options out there too I didn't find in my brief search. Also yeah, Java was a nice idea, shame about the fact it's got so many security holes no sane person would want it on their PC these days. Cisco Anyconnect is scary, if it's the same Cisco VPN product I used then it seems wrong to me that some Java code is modifying network routes.
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The first 100% Flash site I came across was Gabocorp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-ESJS911c I thought it was cool as poo poo, in 1997.
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Last Chance posted:frames are still used! most embedded content like YouTube are all iframes Pretty sure the Craigslist forums are one of the last bastions of frames on the interwebs.
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Here's two pieces of retro tech: https://fidonet.ozzmosis.com/ - FidoNet (as in BBS era) message archives, using frames.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Here's two pieces of retro tech: https://fidonet.ozzmosis.com/ - FidoNet (as in BBS era) message archives, using frames. I remember FidoNet. I also remember a system that ran on multiple BBSes called Pacific Northwest Chatter - it was amazing to be able to email people all the way from California to Alaska. Every night the individual BBSes would talk to one another and share the messages back and forth, so using it really was like using mail - there was always a day or so before you would get a reply.
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Vanagoon posted:The first 100% Flash site I came across was Gabocorp. I did too. You have to remember most websites back in 1997 were some variant of chunky tables with 16bit dithered .gif images and Times New Roman as the only font. Plus everything had to be "websafe" colours so very little was appealing. Gradients became a thing in web design simply to celebrate the fact people were not using computers locked into 16bit modes at 800x600. Gabocorp's proclamation was pretty much my brain back in 1998 upon seeing a flash site. Also that fancy text animation was made with a third party program called Swish. I made a small living off designing a ton of flash sites and it was a sheer challenge when you considered Australian internet speeds barely crept above 115kb ten years ago. As a result every site was a Byzantine labyrinthine of scripts and fudging layer load orders and other cheats to make sites load efficiently. I got a reputation for being good at this so loads of websites were handed to me that were graphically and animation rich and were 10mb + in total. So you'd have to trawl through every asset and find ways to cut down on size, usually rebuilding the site to cut down on excess objects in the library or split every page up to have it's own pre-loader with everything dynamically nested like an elaborate Chinese box. And then in came ActionScript, the bastard stepchild of JavaScript, which was stuck between trying to accommodate non coders and actual programmers. See if you tweened something in flash it would have to draw in each frame and take up space. Programming a tween meant it only drew on one frame. Despite being very flexible due to being setup for object orientated programming, it was rife for bad coding practices so you had sites tip to the other end of the scales from heavy image based sites that were massive to load to sites that were tiny, but full of clunky scripts with broken loops that didn't end so flash sites would sit there slowly gobbling up memory. You also had the divide between programmers and designers where one member of the team would create the site in photoshop, offhand it to get it converted into flash and then the poor programmer would be expected to weave magic into realising the dynamic requests of the client, such as carousel menus. Eventually the poor programmer would snap and cut corners leaving things at default font sizes and so on and get yelled at by the manager. Also as time went on people stopped creating the whole site within flash and moved into loading in external data as it meant the main site would load quicker. So a site built in 1999 would have tons of scenes, animations and layers galore whereas in 2006 it would basically be perhaps a few keyframes which simply called up various assortments of code that hooked into .xml or .txt files. HTML 5 has kind of moved into what Flash sort of was aspiring to be.
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Buttcoin purse posted:As I said in some earlier post, 5.8. I found it at http://www.oldapps.com/nokia_suite.php?old_nokia_pc_suite=1 That isn't exactly the same version of 5.8 as I used, it's slightly newer, but I assume they probably didn't change the installer. Just run the installer, it'll say it's updating/installing Windows Installer, then when it gets to the bit where it wants you to actually interact with it (you know, Next button, etc.) cancel out of it. ahahahahah this worked!! I am on 4.0 right now! I will be messing around with this for the next two hours and will report back. You are a mad genius!
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Vanagoon posted:The first 100% Flash site I came across was Gabocorp. I remember my boss showing me a website like this, maybe in 1998-9, and telling me how great it was. As a teenager and a lowly junior employee I think I kept my opinion to myself, but I remember thinking "oh gently caress no, why can't you just let people get to the content instead of having to sit through pointless animations, and why do you have to prevent people from linking directly to pages/bookmarking?" WebDog posted:I made a small living off designing a ton of flash sites  Red text is too good for you and your kind, I'd like to pay  to make all of your posts appear inside Flash animations which everyone just gets tired of waiting for and scrolls past, if they even have the plugin installed.Seriously though, I suppose you probably had to make your website look like this for everyone to think you were up-to-date and modern though right? The goal was probably not for the site to be a useful source of content but to have an initial impression of being new and impressive? Uncle at Nintendo posted:ahahahahah this worked!! Nice, but I'm not getting my hopes up until you say you can get to something you couldn't get to before, like the keywords or whatever type of file areas someone mentioned where they could get Duke Nukem 3D maps.
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I randomly came across an AOL keyword about security, and they mention the first person ever to be convicted for felony computer crimes was someone who hacked AOL. I found his complete explanation on what he did and holy hell it's interesting: http://www.yaleherald.com/archive/xxiv/10.3.97/exclusive/letter.html
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Vanagoon posted:The first 100% Flash site I came across was Gabocorp. gently caress, what's gonna happen to http://www.zombo.com/ when flash is dead?? edit: thank goodness https://html5zombo.com/ Light Gun Man has a new favorite as of 07:12 on Apr 27, 2016 |
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Vanagoon posted:The first 100% Flash site I came across was Gabocorp. I'm sure I mentioned it in this thread - but once I made a commercial website for parents of a friend while I was studying. I decided to use Macromedia Director for the whole thing....went down like a lead balloon.
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Uncle at Nintendo posted:I randomly came across an AOL keyword about security, and they mention the first person ever to be convicted for felony computer crimes was someone who hacked AOL. I found his complete explanation on what he did and holy hell it's interesting: http://www.yaleherald.com/archive/xxiv/10.3.97/exclusive/letter.html  Didn't read it all though. Please tell me this isn't the sum total of the new things you have found by using AOL 4.0  Although it would be pretty ironic to be convicted of felony computer crimes solely for accessing an old keyword that AOL didn't want you to be able to access which had a link to an article about someone else being convicted of the same thing, like I think that would get you an entry in SAclopedia. Humphreys posted:I'm sure I mentioned it in this thread - but once I made a commercial website for parents of a friend while I was studying. I decided to use Macromedia Director for the whole thing....went down like a lead balloon. I once did tech support for such a website. Most of the time I had to help users with what I seem to recall was originally called a "Shockwave plugin", and then got changed to "Shockwave for Director plugin" to make way for the "Shockwave for Flash plugin", which then just became the "Flash plugin". Lots of "uninstall and reinstall" and "go into this folder and delete this plugin file" kind of stuff. Those plugins were powerful and you could make attractive sites but the plugins were pretty flaky.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Seriously though, I suppose you probably had to make your website look like this for everyone to think you were up-to-date and modern though right? The goal was probably not for the site to be a useful source of content but to have an initial impression of being new and impressive? This is it exactly. I remember doing a site around 1997 or so where we had to put a Java Applet in it, somewhere, didn't care what it did, just as long as our web page had Java. I ended up making a thing at the top of the site that just faded in some text that said WELCOME TO MY WEB PAGE and faded it back out. That poo poo was actually good enough for some people.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Seriously though, I suppose you probably had to make your website look like this for everyone to think you were up-to-date and modern though right? The goal was probably not for the site to be a useful source of content but to have an initial impression of being new and impressive?  The joke was the school was so advanced it has it's own website. Flash sites really were vanity plates for your brand. Utterly useless and over the top but totally memorable when BEEMR4EVA crashed and everyone notices.
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drunk asian neighbor posted:Better than that awkard period when entire websites were 1 flash module! I used a webpage two days ago that was 100% flash. A restaurant, of course.
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Restaurants almost universally have terrible, terrible web presences.
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Efexeye posted:Restaurants almost universally have terrible, terrible web presences. Most recent restaurants I have looked up online only have Facebook pages.
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The thing about restaurants is that they all, every single one, have the exact same goal. The exact same very narrow set of use cases. Customers know what they want from a restaurant website, and the smart ones build around that expectation. Show a menu, show the location/hours, present an online ordering option if applicable, done. Customers going to a restaurant website don't have time to waste. They're hungry and they have lots of choices. Give them what they want as efficiently and as predictably as possible. But restaurant owners always think they're going to do something new and different. They're going to be the ones to break the mold. http://www.burgerandlobster.com They always want some NEW AND COOL interface metaphor, like that's going to set them apart in some way other than "that one restaurant with the really obnoxious website". Like they want to be known for avant-garde UI design rather than food. I really hate to admit it, but Wordpress is the best thing that could ever have happened to the world of restaurant websites. Nowadays everyone just hires some college kid and buys a $50 theme that's highly tuned for the restaurant use case and they're done, customers get what they want, and the restaurant can get back to what they actually (like to think they) do well. Not that it'll ever stop them from posting their menus as giant PDFs though. 
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