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Brown Moses posted:So while working on our response to the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs' email it's become apparent their "evidence" is plagiarised from a Livejournal, going as far as lifting entire paragraphs. Oh, that is rich. Think Putin needs to fire some people and just tell them to shut up already.
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Russian authorities stopped 55 tons of Polish apples and Chinese cabbage from entering the country through Belarus. The produce was accompanied by documents claiming the shipment was beer. http://www.fsvps.ru/fsvps/news/16945.html quote:Office of Rosselkhoznadzor for the Tver and Pskov regions April 22, 2016 as a result of joint actions with the police detained three games quarantine products (fresh apples, cabbage Peking), moved from the Republic of Belarus on the shipping documents to the beer. The volume moved regulated products is more than 55 tons.
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chitoryu12 posted:That's a good quote for a KKK member, funny enough. That's what we thought of first, including my mom when I told her.
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# ? Apr 23, 2016 00:42 |
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Hey BM, your tell-all book gotta be called Sass The Russ.
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# ? Apr 23, 2016 00:47 |
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In another "Bellingcat annoys Russia" news, recently an old video of me talking about our work on Russia shelling Ukraine from inside Russia was reuploaded with Russian subtitles, which then went viral in Ukraine, even though the work was originally published a year ago. Now the Ukrainian government has submitted it to the OSCE http://mfa.gov.ua/en/news-feeds/for...upovanomu-krimu quote:The documented evidence of direct Russian military intervention in Donbas continues to be strengthened by additional findings. We draw attention to the recent report by the investigative journalist organization Bellingcat, examining in-depth different sources to determine the origin of artillery fire on the Ukrainian military units, deployed near the Ukrainian-Russian border in summer 2014. Evidence attached to the report, including satellite imagery, video files and witnesses’ accounts, allowed to conclude that Russia had used MLRS “Grad” to shell the Ukrainian forces more than 300 times from its territory What's particularly helpful is one of the prosecution witnesses in the Savchenko trial used the same methodology to show Ukraine had shelled Russia, going as far as to call it the Bellingcat method, and his evidence was praised by the judge, so we even have Russian court's seal of approval on the methodology.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Russian authorities stopped 55 tons of Polish apples and Chinese cabbage from entering the country through Belarus. The produce was accompanied by documents claiming the shipment was beer. Good, such cruel deception shouldn't be allowed in a civilized world.
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# ? Apr 23, 2016 13:18 |
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Isnt it pretty standard for Russia to route things in and out of various former SSRs, especially Belarus, anyway?
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# ? Apr 23, 2016 18:44 |
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In a new, sinister turn of events, it turns out that the far right hate group we were discussing earlier, ONR, has intentions of joining the soon to be formed National Guard en masse and PiS sees nothing wrong with it.
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# ? Apr 23, 2016 21:12 |
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lancemantis posted:Isnt it pretty standard for Russia to route things in and out of various former SSRs, especially Belarus, anyway? AFAIK not really, it's more that the CIS states try to make some extra cash smuggling banned items into Russia, possibly with bribed customs officials' approval, but not on Moscow's order.
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Brown Moses posted:In another "Bellingcat annoys Russia" news, recently an old video of me talking about our work on Russia shelling Ukraine from inside Russia was reuploaded with Russian subtitles, which then went viral in Ukraine, even though the work was originally published a year ago. Now the Ukrainian government has submitted it to the OSCE
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# ? Apr 23, 2016 21:43 |
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kalstrams posted:They'll soon be able to paradrop people who use their own mouth as a step. The thing is, I know there's already one MH17 civil case in the works that will use Russia's attacks on Ukraine as part of the case, so it's very helpful to them that a Russian court accepts and even praises the use of the same methodology used to show Russian was shelling Ukraine. Then you have the Russian government who spends months claiming MH17 evidence is fake, and when they present their proof its plagiarised from a Livejournal. They're a bunch of clowns.
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# ? Apr 24, 2016 07:24 |
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Bunch of clowns who invade countries and start wars.
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# ? Apr 24, 2016 07:45 |
The parallels to Nazi Germany grow stronger, eh.
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# ? Apr 24, 2016 08:47 |
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Bunch of clowns who invade countries and start wars. It looks like those clowns in Moscow did it again. What a bunch of clowns.
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# ? Apr 24, 2016 23:33 |
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Don't praise the Robota.
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 08:21 |
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Happy Elbe Day.
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 11:23 |
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After some terrible reporting in the Daily Express about the upcoming BBC documentary that claimed it showed Ukraine shot down MH17 with a jet, the BBC has published details of the documentary (which I feature in), long piece, but here's a few highlightsquote:Conspiracy Files: Who shot down MH17? It also features a bunch of work we've done at Bellingcat, and sounds like it'll be a very good documentary all round.
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# ? Apr 26, 2016 06:52 |
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That does sound pretty thorough for a TV documentary like that. I will definitely find a way to see it.
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# ? Apr 26, 2016 09:38 |
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Something for people's crazy file: A prosecutor's office in southern Poland has decided to prosecute two middle school boys for "insulting religious feelings" (yes that's an actual law here) because they spit out the host (communion wafer) after accepting communion in church. A priest said they were being rude through the whole mass and messing around in the pews so at the conclusion of the mass he followed them outside and saw that they had spit out the host on the ground. He called the cops and after interrogating the boys they decided a crime had been committed so now they're being prosecuted. Theoretically they face up to two years in prison. For spitting out a loving wafer. 13 year old boys. What loving century is this I'm living in? They also face excommunication by the Catholic church, but no word from church officials if they plan on following through.
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A Pale Horse posted:Something for people's crazy file: A prosecutor's office in southern Poland has decided to prosecute two middle school boys for "insulting religious feelings" (yes that's an actual law here) because they spit out the host (communion wafer) after accepting communion in church. A priest said they were being rude through the whole mass and messing around in the pews so at the conclusion of the mass he followed them outside and saw that they had spit out the host on the ground. He called the cops and after interrogating the boys they decided a crime had been committed so now they're being prosecuted. Theoretically they face up to two years in prison. For spitting out a loving wafer. 13 year old boys. What loving century is this I'm living in? They also face excommunication by the Catholic church, but no word from church officials if they plan on following through. Actually the excommunication part is reasonable as if you do believe they are injesting the body of Christ their spitting it out is them literally rejecting Christ. But in regards to that law. Lol seriously that law sounds like something out of India.
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# ? Apr 26, 2016 15:14 |
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You know where else has a law like that? Russia. Very selectively enforced, of course.
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# ? Apr 26, 2016 15:16 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Actually the excommunication part is reasonable as if you do believe they are injesting the body of Christ their spitting it out is them literally rejecting Christ. But in regards to that law. Lol seriously that law sounds like something out of India. I won't argue religious law because I don't know enough about it nor do I really care, but it does not seem reasonable to me to excommunicate children. I really don't think the church will move to do that at any rate, surely even the Polish church is not reactionary and callous enough to execute their version of the death penalty on a couple of stupid, giggling schoolboys.
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# ? Apr 26, 2016 15:21 |
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Kids are as gently caress, I condone this. Edit: the law has a storied history in modern Poland. Mostly related to repression of artistic expression.
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# ? Apr 26, 2016 15:22 |
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Excommunication can be reversed, if they even care about it. Not having to deal with that lovely religious ceremony you do when you're 14-15 is definitely a good thing. It's not like militias armed with machine guns hunt for atheists for now...
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# ? Apr 26, 2016 15:26 |
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A Pale Horse posted:I won't argue religious law because I don't know enough about it nor do I really care, but it does not seem reasonable to me to excommunicate children. I really don't think the church will move to do that at any rate, surely even the Polish church is not reactionary and callous enough to execute their version of the death penalty on a couple of stupid, giggling schoolboys. Well excommunication doesn't mean you are barred for life it means that you have to show pennance to be able to recieve communion again.
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# ? Apr 26, 2016 15:27 |
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The Church excommunicating them makes a lot more sense to me than the state sending them to jail.
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# ? Apr 26, 2016 15:38 |
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Polish Catholic church actually has the exact opposite problem where it's extremely hard to get excommunicated. I mean, even when you actively want to leave the church the procedure lasts 6 months during which a priest goes through your case and he decides whether or not he'll let you leave the church. Most of the answers are negative btw, even when people were consciously doing profane things, yeah. So I wouldn't really fear that in those boys' case. The prosecution sucks though because get this - in the case of insulting religious beliefs the defendant can't win. The Polish law is written like that, look it up. Basically when a case like this gets to court the judge can't decide that the religious beliefs haven't been insulted because if 'the victim' says they were then that's that. the judge can only influence how big the penalty will be.
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# ? Apr 26, 2016 15:39 |
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I think it goes without saying that somehow there's only one church that gets successfully legally offended.
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# ? Apr 26, 2016 15:40 |
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Palpek posted:
Nah, Nergal got off for ripping pages from the bible during a concert and so did Nieznalska and she literally printed photos of penises on crosses. Anne Frank Funk fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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Pierogi posted:Nah, Nergal got off for ripping pages from the bible during a concert and so did Nieznalska and she literally printed photos of penises on crosses. Palpek fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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I was led to believe apostasy is not that hard to get, why aim at excommunication?
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# ? Apr 26, 2016 15:59 |
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Apostasy is very hard to get so I don't know where you got that info from. Maybe it's dependant on the region, I don't know. The easiest way under EU is to register residency in Germany for a month, declare that you leave the church in a German bureau which takes like 10 minutes and then the Polish church gets a letter that they can't do poo poo about. It's hilarious that people have been actually doing that to bypass the official procedure.
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Palpek posted:Nieznalska was actually found guilty so lol. Uh, no she wasn't. Found not guilty in 2010 after a nine year slog
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Palpek posted:Apostasy is very hard to get so I don't know where you got that info from. Maybe it's dependant on the region, I don't know. Warsaw, it was 1 meeting with a priest, a short talk, "Are you really really sure?" and that's it. I imagine it wouldn't go as easily in other places.
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Pierogi posted:Uh, no she wasn't. Found not guilty in 2010 after a nine year slog
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Palpek posted:Ok, this still shows how ridiculous the law is and that two 13 year-old boys would be crushed by it as it's not something you can easily defend yourself against, can we agree to that? Agreed 100% and with that I hope that this laughable case of a man seeking out stuff to be "offended" with will get thrown out of court. If not, pickets in front of the building every day
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alex314 posted:Warsaw, it was 1 meeting with a priest, a short talk, "Are you really really sure?" and that's it. I imagine it wouldn't go as easily in other places.
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# ? Apr 26, 2016 16:41 |
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Wait, why would you care about the Catholic Church approving of you leaving (since anyone who wants to leave clearly don't value their opinion in the first place)? Do they have some sort of special legal privileges when it comes to people they consider members? Also, the kids can surely appeal to ECHR, can't they? (Probably well after their lives get ruined). OddObserver fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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Palpek posted:Ok, this still shows how ridiculous the law is and that two 13 year-old boys would be crushed by it as it's not something you can easily defend yourself against, can we agree to that? That law seriously sounds like something out of South Asia, not Europe.
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Palpek posted:Yeah, this could make a difference. I heard a couple of stories from friends who said that the notifications about their apostasies were sent out to priests in towns/villages where they were born where their parents still live. Those priests made sure to let the communities know about this with one outright doing that during the sunday mass. In both cases it ended up with elderly parents getting shunned by the communities because of private decisions of their sons who live in completely different places and lead different lives. Polish church is a bunch of assholes. Is sending out those notifications even legal? Also, this notion that the religious affilitations or lack thereof people who have moved away is somehow the business of their home towns seems like something straight out of the pre-enlightenment era.
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