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A White Guy posted:Phil analyzes Moldbug on a philosophical level - he's approaching NRx from the detached viewpoint of an academic, which is probably why he can stomach so much NRx at once. Do it do it. Tell your friends - the Kickstarter stretch goal essays will also be sheer delight.
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A White Guy posted:Phil analyzes Moldbug on a philosophical level - he's approaching NRx from the detached viewpoint of an academic, which is probably why he can stomach so much NRx at once. I'm definitely gonna chuck in some money. Hope the Kickstarter has an easy-enough goal.
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Does Aurini pitch shift his voice? I find it distinctly unnatural sounding, and it would fit right in at his history of being a complete poser who pretends to smoke cigarettes, pretends to drink whiskey, and pins a target on his wall where all the holes are from a BB gun and none are on target. e: oh my god Aurini posts on NMA I can't breathe from laughing so hard why haven't I watched hbomberguy videos before 
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Woolie Wool posted:Does Aurini pitch shift his voice? I find it distinctly unnatural sounding, and it would fit right in at his history of being a complete poser who pretends to smoke cigarettes, pretends to drink whiskey, and pins a target on his wall where all the holes are from a BB gun and none are on target. No, he just has a warbly nerd voice that is also deep.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Speaking of, Phil has a new excerpt from his book up http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/neoreaction-a-basilisk-excerpt-two/ I love Phil, but this blog is starting to pull me into Nick Land and Eugene Thacker's maw, and reminds me strongly of other depressed Lovecraftians I know. I'm still going to buy the book, but it's disturbing stuff for a guy I got into because of comic book wizards and Dr. Who.
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Count Chocula posted:I love Phil, but this blog is starting to pull me into Nick Land and Eugene Thacker's maw, and reminds me strongly of other depressed Lovecraftians I know. I'm still going to buy the book, but it's disturbing stuff for a guy I got into because of comic book wizards and Dr. Who. You are so weird. And yes, I realize the irony in me telling someone that.
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Apr 28, 2016 03:43
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Count Chocula posted:I love Phil, but this blog is starting to pull me into Nick Land and Eugene Thacker's maw, and reminds me strongly of other depressed Lovecraftians I know. I'm still going to buy the book, but it's disturbing stuff for a guy I got into because of comic book wizards and Dr. Who. Don't lump Thacker in with those fucks. He knows what he's talking about and can write a sentence.
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Jack Gladney posted:Don't lump Thacker in with those fucks. He knows what he's talking about and can write a sentence. I've never heard of him before but the blog is mostly comparing him and Land.
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Count Chocula posted:I love Phil, but this blog is starting to pull me into Nick Land and Eugene Thacker's maw, and reminds me strongly of other depressed Lovecraftians I know. I'm still going to buy the book, but it's disturbing stuff for a guy I got into because of comic book wizards and Dr. Who. Keep in mind that Land's big revelation involved a psychotic break. Maybe reading this stuff isn't good for you. Were you worried about death before you read that other dudes book?
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Peztopiary posted:Keep in mind that Land's big revelation involved a psychotic break. Maybe reading this stuff isn't good for you. Were you worried about death before you read that other dudes book? Yeah, and reading about somebody else dealing with the same thing I did - and talking about how other people did - helped me a bunch. Anyway, I read Phil's book-length essays on tie in media to a British TV show I only started watching 5 years ago. I just plain like his writing, so I'm gonna follow him down this rabbit hole and chuckle at his references to minor Grant Morrison comics (The Basilek is such a GM idea). I also want to see more about what he says about Lovecraft, since I've got a complicated relationship with him, his fans, and the influence of his hosed up philosophy. Might try to use Patreon to get him to talk about the Mountain Goats' Lovecraft in Brooklyn. I might be imagining things, but wasn't Nick Land constantly referenced in the mammoth Transformers exegesis in the film sub forum?
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Apr 28, 2016 05:32
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Jack Gladney posted:Don't lump Thacker in with those fucks. He knows what he's talking about and can write a sentence. Having read a lot of both, my feeling is that Land is the better stylist overall (though both are highly variable, and de gustibus and all that,) and of course they are rather alike in using Lovecraft as a lens for talking about cosmic pessimism. Obviously Thacker shouldn't be lumped in with the fascist weirdo set because his politics are "we should be p worried about global warming" not "humanity should die in the robo-mines to build golden statues of uploaded Steve Jobs," but I don't think anybody was lumping him in in that sense.
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Woolie Wool posted:Does Aurini pitch shift his voice? I find it distinctly unnatural sounding, and it would fit right in at his history of being a complete poser who pretends to smoke cigarettes, pretends to drink whiskey, and pins a target on his wall where all the holes are from a BB gun and none are on target. Aurini's voice is just like that, c.f. other people's podcasts he appears on. At least his diction is crystal-clear, and that's great! He has an excellent podcast voice! The problem is what he uses it for. Jack Gladney posted:Don't lump Thacker in with those fucks. He knows what he's talking about and can write a sentence. Land's "Phyl-Undhu" is legitimately quality stuff! He's just such a Lovecraftian he's also being a huge racist!
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Apr 28, 2016 11:42
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Calling your book making fun of techlords File Undo is a good joke.
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Apr 28, 2016 11:48
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Is "Lovecraftian" actually a designation for some philosophical/ideological tendency? I thought it was just one lovely "cthulu swims left" joke.
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Goon Danton posted:I read Moldbug's "I'm done with this blog" mini-post and I'm pretty sure I've seen enough of him for one lifetime. Land is honestly a lot of fun (I've read everything he published pre breakdown and disappearance, so everything in Fanged Noumenon and The Thirst for Annihilation: Georges Bataille and Virulent Nihilism) and his readings of Bataille, Nietzsche, Marx and Sade (as in the Marquis de) are convincing, erudite, and eloquent. I'm a convinced anarchist so his later stuff repels me, but his earlier core concepts and ideas about acceleration, psychic trauma, and cybernetics are pretty neat and have been picked up by a bunch of left-accelerationists, so the early stuff is worth reading, if even for passages like this: Nick Land, The Thirst for Annihilation: Georges Bataille and Virulent Nihilism p. 188-190 posted:Literature is like love in that both are catastrophic diseases. The way literature wantonly exploits the resources of base physiology is like love, as is the way it allies itself with hunger, sleeplessness, malaise, and strange fevers; derailing lives, and undoing the most methodical projects. Love introduces the taste of abjection and the gutter into the most secure of existences, breaking open interiorities, until it finally gets its wretched sacrifices down onto the floor, from where they are pitched into the abyss of supplication without possible response, choking on a sulphurous mixture of ecstasy and despair. There is no great literature that is not simultaneously a degradation and a burning futility. It is no coincidence that literature has been a perpetual tortured erotic stammering, whose aesthetic momentum flows from the fact that ‘beauty alone... renders tolerable the need for disorder, violence, and indignity that is the root of love’ [III 13].
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Count Chocula posted:I might be imagining things, but wasn't Nick Land constantly referenced in the mammoth Transformers exegesis in the film sub forum? I think that was Lacan.
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Hellequin posted:Land is honestly a lot of fun (I've read everything he published pre breakdown and disappearance, so everything in Fanged Noumenon and The Thirst for Annihilation: Georges Bataille and Virulent Nihilism) and his readings of Bataille, Nietzsche, Marx and Sade (as in the Marquis de) are convincing, erudite, and eloquent. I'm a convinced anarchist so his later stuff repels me, but his earlier core concepts and ideas about acceleration, psychic trauma, and cybernetics are pretty neat and have been picked up by a bunch of left-accelerationists, so the early stuff is worth reading, if even for passages like this: Land is terrible and was long before he became part of the DE. It's super-obvious that he's a sadist who gets off on the idea of people being eaten alive by robots and so forth.
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The thread has come to an answer: The only one of these fuckers who can write a readable sentence is Nick Land, and even he hardly ever bothers. (source)
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Silver2195 posted:Land is terrible and was long before he became part of the DE. It's super-obvious that he's a sadist who gets off on the idea of people being eaten alive by robots and so forth. He can write, but I kind of feel like the unspoken message of everything he writes is "Why do these PATHETIC FOOLS not acknowledge my GODLIKE genius?"
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Hellequin posted:Land is honestly a lot of fun (I've read everything he published pre breakdown and disappearance, so everything in Fanged Noumenon and The Thirst for Annihilation: Georges Bataille and Virulent Nihilism) and his readings of Bataille, Nietzsche, Marx and Sade (as in the Marquis de) are convincing, erudite, and eloquent. I'm a convinced anarchist so his later stuff repels me, but his earlier core concepts and ideas about acceleration, psychic trauma, and cybernetics are pretty neat and have been picked up by a bunch of left-accelerationists, so the early stuff is worth reading, if even for passages like this: I want the ten minutes I spent reading that florid  garbage back.
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Woolie Wool posted:I want the ten minutes I spent reading that florid I stopped reading after the first paragraph and regret nothing.
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Nick Land''s output is fun because it's half overly earnest teen/grad student gushing about Cthulhu eating us all (and like other things that are willing to take the risks of earnestness, it gets genuinely interesting every so often) and half fiftysomething uncle on FB complaining about random trivialities. If a Xenosystems post features a tweet, you know it's the latter.
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Yeah, that's pretty much why I find him interesting, even if I rarely agree with him. A lot of the reasons I find Land interesting are the same reasons I like Lautreamont, Rimbaud, and Baudelaire. He approached philosophy from such a fundamentally nihilistic and pessimistic angle that even I couldn't agree with his conclusions, the journey he took to reach them unearthed some neat things. I still stand by statement that his reading of Sade and Bataille is great, and his arguments contra Kant are pretty solid. Plus he introduced me to Georg Trakl's poetry, so I do owe him that.
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Hellequin posted:Yeah, that's pretty much why I find him interesting, even if I rarely agree with him. A lot of the reasons I find Land interesting are the same reasons I like Lautreamont, Rimbaud, and Baudelaire. He approached philosophy from such a fundamentally nihilistic and pessimistic angle that even I couldn't agree with his conclusions, the journey he took to reach them unearthed some neat things. I still stand by statement that his reading of Sade and Bataille is great, and his arguments contra Kant are pretty solid. Plus he introduced me to Georg Trakl's poetry, so I do owe him that. Sources for his work on de Sade?
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Jack of Hearts posted:Sources for his work on de Sade? Most of it is tucked into Thirst for Annihilation when he's reading Bataille alongside Sade. It's been a while since I read it but I'm thinking the last half of the book?
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Hellequin posted:Most of it is tucked into Thirst for Annihilation when he's reading Bataille alongside Sade. It's been a while since I read it but I'm thinking the last half of the book? If it sucks I'm coming for you, Hellequin. I don't like paying for things.
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Jack of Hearts posted:If it sucks I'm coming for you, Hellequin. I don't like paying for things. Find a .PDF on library genesis, the book is stupidly expensive.
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GunnerJ posted:Is "Lovecraftian" actually a designation for some philosophical/ideological tendency? I thought it was just one lovely "cthulu swims left" joke. http://www.believermag.com/issues/200410/?read=article_houellebecq I swear there used to be a full text available legally online, but this essay by famous French misanthrope Michael Houellebecq, HP Lovecraft: Against The World, Against Life, lays it out. It's used to describe a kind of nihilism and existential terror, perhaps tinged with racism and xenophobia.
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I think he expanded it to a full book? It has that essay, a deep dive into the Shadow Over Innsmouth, and maybe a little bit of Lovecraft biography. It was okay, if you're willing to read Houellebecq's prose. Here's a taste, I think the full book is maybe two hundred pages? It's a pretty slim book anyway, if you discount the complete reprinting of Shadow. Houellebecq is an interesting dude, but like a lot of the DE people his misanthropy is outweighed by his dislike of women and Muslims, more or less in that order. I mean, he doesn't like dudes much either, don't get me wrong.
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I can't wait til Michel Houellebecq writes a book about a sympathetically portrayed pedophile who goes around randomly murdering Muslims and people treat it as a Work Of Serious Literature basically just because he's French and it doesn't count as bigotry when they do it.
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Oligopsony posted:Nick Land''s output is fun because it's half overly earnest teen/grad student gushing about Cthulhu eating us all (and like other things that are willing to take the risks of earnestness, it gets genuinely interesting every so often) and half fiftysomething uncle on FB complaining about random trivialities. If a Xenosystems post features a tweet, you know it's the latter. Speaking of which, I'm growing increasingly convinced that no one to the right of Robin Hanson actually knows what signalling is. For this to be "virtue signalling" Scalzi would have to be saying something that would be meaningfully more difficult if he lacked some sort of virtue than if he didn't, which is something I'd presume they're loathe to admit and, incidentally, doesn't strike me as true. Not that Scalzi strikes me as an especially vicious person either, but for something to usefully count as virtue signalling it would have to be something that conspicuously requires virtue. Scalzi is really only signalling that he knows how the crowd (mis)uses language. But then maybe I'm being too generous. Maybe, if you have an extremely specialized version of Tourrette's that gnaws at you to shout "CUCK friend of the family friend of the family human being CUCK" at the top of your lungs, if you and your friends have convinced each other that this is the natural state of things and a true report of everyone's thoughts, then anyone saying something to the contrary is lording it over the rest of us with their extraordinary self-control.
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Oligopsony posted:Speaking of which, I'm growing increasingly convinced that no one to the right of Robin Hanson actually knows what signalling is. For this to be "virtue signalling" Scalzi would have to be saying something that would be meaningfully more difficult if he lacked some sort of virtue than if he didn't, which is something I'd presume they're loathe to admit and, incidentally, doesn't strike me as true. Not that Scalzi strikes me as an especially vicious person either, but for something to usefully count as virtue signalling it would have to be something that conspicuously requires virtue. Scalzi is really only signalling that he knows how the crowd (mis)uses language. It means "if I can accuse you of insincerity, I win"
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Oligopsony posted:Speaking of which, I'm growing increasingly convinced that no one to the right of Robin Hanson actually knows what signalling is. For this to be "virtue signalling" Scalzi would have to be saying something that would be meaningfully more difficult if he lacked some sort of virtue than if he didn't, which is something I'd presume they're loathe to admit and, incidentally, doesn't strike me as true. Not that Scalzi strikes me as an especially vicious person either, but for something to usefully count as virtue signalling it would have to be something that conspicuously requires virtue. Scalzi is really only signalling that he knows how the crowd (mis)uses language. Every time I see the phrase "virtue signaling" it makes me wish there was a real, lengthy essay titled "Is Morality Performative?" or something, because that might actually be interesting. As it stands, every mention of virtue signaling I see is invariably shallow, dismissive, and not particularly useful for understanding someone's politics or society. Curvature of Earth has a new favorite as of 20:21 on Apr 29, 2016 |
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Curvature of Earth posted:Every time I see the phrase "virtue signaling" it makes me wish there was a real, lengthy essay titled "Is Morality Performative?" or something, because that might actually be interesting. As it stands, every mention of virtue signaling I see is invariably shallow, dismissive, and not particularly useful for understanding a persons politics or society. Likewise, plausibly most interesting cultural output is the result of young people trying to signal intelligence and free time and passion. That doesn't mean the output is bad; it means we should be glad people are signalling! I'm not the biggest fan of capitalism, but a bad argument against capitalism would be "firms are only providing customers what they want because it's in their selfish interests." That's the main argument in capitalism's favor! Of course, a plausible model isn't reality, and I don't have any good sense of how to test something like this, but that's another reason it could benefit from serious analysis.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I can't wait til Michel Houellebecq writes a book about a sympathetically portrayed pedophile who goes around randomly murdering Muslims and people treat it as a Work Of Serious Literature basically just because he's French and it doesn't count as bigotry when they do it. Nobody should read Houellebecq. I admit I was technically unfair to him in this post, but ehh gently caress him.
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