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Mel Mudkiper posted:Its also saying something how cool you guys seem to be with sending children into an isolated cultural environment where they do not learn anything other than a narrow range of skills that have no value other than within their current environment, thus condemning them to a perpetual cycle of exclusion from the rest of the world and self-sustaining their own archaic social system. It's been years since I read that poo poo but isn't Hermione studying hardcore wizard maths in one of the early books
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Guys we're loving up this thread,let's discuss adulso lit again I'm reading the final book in My Struggle series, it's the best thing ever, haven't gotten to the famous 400-page Hitler essay yet though, will report again in a week or so (best books in series: 1,2,5,6 - he should've combined 3 and 4 and cut some fluff)
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A human heart posted:It would have cool if the fantasy genre had been destroyed, imo modern lovely mega-series fantasy, sure, but people have been writing fantasy far longer than they've been writing so-called "realistic" fiction. I mean Christ, we were just talking about Beowulf
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"Fantasy" is a thing, it's a genre. It's something that grew in the Anglo-Saxon literary sphere in the 20th century, it has themes and elements in common. It's A Thing as we kids say. That's what we talk about when we say "fantasy". And that's why it's so loving boring when totally entry level people are like "well didn't Kafka write fantasy? didn't the Ancient Romans write fantasy?". No they didn't. gently caress off.
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When you really get to it all fiction is fantasy because it deals with unreality in one form or another its all just a matter of the extent *smokes a bubble pipe while wearing a bathrobe*
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Ras Het posted:"Fantasy" is a thing, it's a genre. It's something that grew in the Anglo-Saxon literary sphere in the 20th century, it has themes and elements in common. It's A Thing as we kids say. That's what we talk about when we say "fantasy". And that's why it's so loving boring when totally entry level people are like "well didn't Kafka write fantasy? didn't the Ancient Romans write fantasy?". No they didn't. gently caress off. ppl want to excuse their bad taste by associating what they like with a recognized master, thus giving their bad taste a (false) patina of sophistication. It's like when ppl listen to a fast piece by Bach and say something like, "wow I didn't know Bach was a rock n' roller, just like my favorite musician, the bassist from the Dave Matthews Band"
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david crosby posted:ppl want to excuse their bad taste by associating what they like with a recognized master, thus giving their bad taste a (false) patina of sophistication. It's like when ppl listen to a fast piece by Bach and say something like, "wow I didn't know Bach was a rock n' roller, just like my favorite musician, the bassist from the Dave Matthews Band" I call it Metal Fan Syndrome
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I'm reading Dr Zhivago, which is good, but i keep thinking of sexxy 1967 Julie Christie when they're talking about Lara 
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Apr 28, 2016 15:01
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Ras Het posted:No they didn't. gently caress off. Okay.
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Popular Human posted:Okay. cool job ignoring all the pertinent points and responding to the insult
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Mel Mudkiper posted:cool job ignoring all the pertinent points and responding to the insult Ur mom wrote fantasy
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Apr 28, 2016 15:39
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Mel Mudkiper posted:When you really get to it all fiction is fantasy because it deals with unreality in one form or another its all just a matter of the extent our whole lives are nothing but fantasy! it's like we're living in a grrrr martin novel!
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Apr 28, 2016 15:44
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Yes important morals such as
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Apr 28, 2016 16:34
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blue squares posted:Says English major hahahaha
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Hantama posted:Ok, seeing the old English i won´t be able to read that, like not a word of it I guess I´d thought that it was way more like modern English with a bit more German in there. It's more.accessible than you think, esp. If you also know German. Most of the words are a lot closer to modern than they look, you just have to learn what the weird letters sound like etc. You can learn everything you need to read Beowulf in the original in about six weeks, but you need someone to teach you. So yah start with the translation, get a facing page copy that has both, listen to some audiotapes of the original to get the sound in your ear, and you can figure out more of it than you'd think.
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Apr 28, 2016 17:23
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Guy A. Person posted:hahahaha Jokes on you my degree is in Comparative Literature
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Apr 28, 2016 17:27
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Jokes on you my degree is in Comparative Literature That might actually make the joke better tho lol
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Actually the joke is on me because not only is my degree in Rhetoric and Writing, I'm actually staking my future on the idea that magazines will pay me for my writing. So far it's working out well and I have some money coming in but likely I will starve to death in a year's time
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Apr 28, 2016 18:03
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I studied Portuguese literature for two years and didn't graduate
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Ras Het posted:I studied Portuguese literature for two years and didn't graduate Speaking of which we haven't talked about how good Saramago is recently
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Apr 28, 2016 19:09
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I'm glad I have (at least) two saramago books to read this year.
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I own Blindness but it's not on my to-read queue atm
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blue squares posted:I own Blindness but it's not on my to-read queue atm Put it at the top It's better than whatever you are currently reading EDIT: I still havent read Baltasar and Blimunda or The Year of the Death of Ricardo Reis yet because I don't want to run out of Saramago too early. I deliberately am delaying reading more or him so I can savor him. I am the same way with Garcia Marquez and Hemingway. Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Apr 28, 2016 |
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Apr 28, 2016 20:36
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I've only read Blindness but it rules. Has anyone read The Little Red Chairs yet? It sounds like extremely My poo poo but book 3 of My Struggle is staring at me
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Apr 28, 2016 20:58
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Put it at the top I read History of the Siege of Lisbon last year. Was considering The Elephant's Journey, because everyone knows animals = true art. How is it?
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WatermelonGun posted:I've only read Blindness but it rules. gently caress yes. The Little Red Chairs is so good. Picked it up the day it came out in NA and read it in about two. The book is fantastic. I don't really want to say anything else because I don't want to spoil it for you but post when you're done and I'll talk about it. Also Saramago rules. Read Blindness last month and have Seeing on the pile. How does it stack up (ha ha)?
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WatermelonGun posted:I've only read Blindness but it rules. I'm gonna write a My Struggle type of memoir and call it My poo poo. What I would really like is a My Struggle written by a black man or woman in the United States.
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Death with interruptions was pretty good but not as good as Blindness. What is his other best one besides Blindness?
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Ben Nevis posted:I read History of the Siege of Lisbon last year. Was considering The Elephant's Journey, because everyone knows animals = true art. How is it? you should read the elephant's journey, it's really good.
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Guy A. Person posted:Death with interruptions was pretty good but not as good as Blindness. What is his other best one besides Blindness? of those I've read so far, history of the siege of lisbon and elephant's journey
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Put it at the top jokes on you, im reading Gilead (and The Thousand Autumns of Jacob De Zoet by David Mitchell)
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blue squares posted:I'm gonna write a My Struggle type of memoir and call it My poo poo. What I would really like is a My Struggle written by a black man or woman in the United States. I'd bet dollars to donuts something like that will come out in the next couple of years. Someone may be writing one RIGHT NOW.
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Guy A. Person posted:Death with interruptions was pretty good but not as good as Blindness. What is his other best one besides Blindness? I am fond of The Double or All the Names
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Ricardo Reis and Balthasar & Blimunda are by far the best Saramago imo. I like his later novels too, but I love how full of ideas, how totally Portuguese and how stubbornly obtuse those two are. There's no overarching metaphor like you often get later (Blindess in particular at parts takes its metaphor too far), there's simply one weird idea and history unfolds around it*. Ricardo Reis takes it even further imo, because it never really does the things you want/expect it to, it just moves on towards the inevitable & stupid conclusion, and all you can do is take in as much of its world as you can *The Elephant's Journey is sort of similar in that way, though it's utterly trivial in comparison (and I think the narrative style feels very forced in it)
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Popular Human posted:modern lovely mega-series fantasy, sure, but people have been writing fantasy far longer than they've been writing so-called "realistic" fiction. I mean Christ, we were just talking about Beowulf Beowulf isn't fantasy.
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mallamp posted:Guys we're loving up this thread,let's discuss adulso lit again Well I'm still muddling through the early parts of 2, although I've already bought 3 and 4 because I know I'll get there. It's too good not to keep going. ... ...Wait a minute, mallamp speaks Norwegian?!?
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mdemone posted:Well I'm still muddling through the early parts of 2, although I've already bought 3 and 4 because I know I'll get there. It's too good not to keep going. the 5th one is out in English bruh
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A human heart posted:the 5th one is out in English bruh Yeah but I'm collecting the paperbacks. I should've just taken the plunge and gotten the hardcovers. Maybe someday. Mallamp, how is 6?
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A human heart posted:Beowulf isn't fantasy. It's real.
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