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Manic Mailman posted:Lists of Characters that have successfully completed their objectives: Cersei usually accomplishes her goals. She just fails to think of the consequences of her victories.
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Apr 28, 2016 17:06
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Again, we're arguing in circles. What answers do you hope to have from us? We're trying to think this out logically, but all you're doing is repeating the same points over and over on stuff that there is no clear answer for. Wait until another episode to explain it. If it never is explained, then the speculation and cul-de-sac arguments can continue. No one in this thread will ever be satisfied by what anyone has to say even then, but at least you can say that the writers either forgot or ignored it instead of setting something up for a future episode.
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Apr 28, 2016 17:08
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So where did Myercellas golden coffin come from? Were they transporting some other Royal dead body ?
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Apr 28, 2016 17:47
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Uhhh... that wasn't a coffin. She was wrapped in a sheet.
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Apr 28, 2016 17:50
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Okay now I see what you mean about the Brienne having a sword thing. What if that's Pod's and Roose Bolton's actors on the boat with their backs turned
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Apr 28, 2016 17:59
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This is more boat talk than a  thread.
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Apr 28, 2016 18:03
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Windfall posted:Okay now I see what you mean about the Brienne having a sword thing. One of them must be Bronn with his back turned because the show writers forgot he was on board too  Unless he stayed with Trystane...
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Apr 28, 2016 18:04
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What if Bronn was the bad pussy collaborator on the ship?
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Apr 28, 2016 18:06
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I am curious as to what's up with Bronn, whether he stayed on the ship or if he went on land with Jamie. Either way, they'll have to explain that eventually. If he's the one that snuck the Sand Snakes on board and did it purposefully to avoid getting Jamie killed since they're "friends", that'd be a neat way to do it.
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Apr 28, 2016 18:07
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AMReese posted:I am curious as to what's up with Bronne, whether he stayed on the ship or if he went on land with Jamie. Either way, they'll have to explain that eventually. If he's the one that snuck the Sand Snakes on board and did it purposefully to avoid getting Jamie killed since they're "friends", that'd be a neat way to do it. I think people are confused about Bronn's characterization. He isnt friends with anyone. He is a sellsword who will do anyyhing for money. He has repeated this several times. People tend to forget that he's a gigantic rear end in a top hat because he is so likeable.
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Apr 28, 2016 18:17
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Notice the quote marks around "friends" that I included in that post.
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Apr 28, 2016 18:21
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Avoiding getting Jamie killed would probably also serve the purpose of not risking his neck anymore than he has to. Trystane dying? Eh, who really cares in King's Landing? Jamie dying? Cersei would definitely do everything in her power to get the people responsible, with anyone on the boat being guilty until proven otherwise. Aside from that, having a decent relationship with the queen's brother is probably worth something in itself, makes Bronn a bit more lordly.
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Apr 28, 2016 18:36
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TommyGun85 posted:I think people are confused about Bronn's characterization. He isnt friends with anyone. He is a sellsword who will do anyyhing for money. He has repeated this several times. People tend to forget that he's a gigantic rear end in a top hat because he is so likeable. https://youtu.be/OjuST0xHtL8 Bronn has friends, he just puts his own interests first.
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Apr 28, 2016 18:40
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Hello darkness my old friend...
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Apr 28, 2016 18:46
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Avoiding getting Jamie killed would probably also serve the purpose of not risking his neck anymore than he has to. Trystane dying? Eh, who really cares in King's Landing? Jamie dying? Cersei would definitely do everything in her power to get the people responsible, with anyone on the boat being guilty until proven otherwise. Aside from that, having a decent relationship with the queen's brother is probably worth something in itself, makes Bronn a bit more lordly. That and Jamie signs his paycheck.
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Apr 28, 2016 18:49
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Bronn working with the sand snakes makes no sense, but now you guys have me straight up terrified that D&D are about to start a plot where Bronn falls in love with the titty-flashing sand snake girl and defects to Dorne. Please don't do this.
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Apr 28, 2016 18:51
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Zaphod42 posted:Bronn working with the sand snakes makes no sense, but now you guys have me straight up terrified that D&D are about to start a plot where Bronn falls in love with the titty-flashing sand snake girl and defects to Dorne.
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Apr 28, 2016 19:02
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th3t00t posted:Your Bronn plot makes more sense than what D&D just gave us for Dorne. Given that the guy admitted to Jaime, that he wants to die retired, peaceful and boring-like, since he's already had an exciting life....yyyea, I'd have to agree that if literally bad pusaayyy justification legit happened, I'd facedesk hard.
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Apr 28, 2016 19:04
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She's gonna defect to House Blackwater, not the other way around.
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Apr 28, 2016 19:16
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Bobo the Red posted:Now we're supposed to buy that all these soldiers want the last Martells dead... for failing to avenge the other Martells? Not to mention that Ellaria and the Sand Snakes have zero claim to Sunspear. I don't think we definitively rule out that the guards were just super sleepy since their plot was boring, and were just all taking standing naps at the time.
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Apr 28, 2016 19:23
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Factor Mystic posted:I don't think we definitively rule out that the guards were just super sleepy since their plot was boring, and were just all taking standing naps at the time.
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Apr 28, 2016 19:36
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Zaphod42 posted:Bronn working with the sand snakes makes no sense, but now you guys have me straight up terrified that D&D are about to start a plot where Bronn falls in love with the titty-flashing sand snake girl and defects to Dorne. Don't suggest such things. Still of all the stupid Sand Snake thing my biggest problem is motivation. What the gently caress is their motivation!? Kill all of Oberyn's family to avenge him? Do everything he didn't want? I mean there's tragedy in killing a girl and you know Oberyn's been against it, but killing his brother is like.. what the flying gently caress. loving Snake Snakes. I don't know what they want. The only way the plot will make sense is if the character is developed into someone who planned to take over Dorne from the beginning and that's not consistent at all with her before.
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Apr 28, 2016 19:46
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Blazing Ownager posted:Don't suggest such things. Totally agree. loving snake snakes.
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Apr 28, 2016 19:47
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emanresu tnuocca posted:What if Bronn was the bad pussy collaborator on the ship? He really needed some bad pussy after the long trip.
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Apr 28, 2016 19:52
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:Totally agree. Its really a shame. The Sand Snakes are like nothing but sex objects as the show portrays them. Its like they existed only for dah bad pooseh and now D+D don't know what the gently caress to do with these hot girls that can't act. Maybe they can act but they're being written like poo poo because D+D thinks the audience is a bunch of slackjawed idiots that just want boobies who knows.
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Apr 28, 2016 20:25
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Manic Mailman posted:Lists of Characters that have successfully completed their objectives: The Wildlings wanted to get south of the Wall. They did. Roose seems like he got what he wanted (the North). QuoProQuid posted:Cersei usually accomplishes her goals. She just fails to think of the consequences of her victories. Tyrion's still alive, though. As is Sansa.
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Apr 28, 2016 20:28
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CrazyLoon posted:he wants to die retired, peaceful and boring-like, since he's already had an exciting life.... CrazyLoon posted:bad pusaayyy
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Apr 28, 2016 20:29
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Phi230 posted:and now D+D don't know what the gently caress to do with these hot girls that can't act. Not that awards mean a drat thing, of course, but I found it interesting all the same.
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Apr 28, 2016 20:31
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Is the acting that poor in those scenes? They're portraying terrible characters who utter the cheesy bits of dialog, bad pussy's actress couldn't have made the character not cringeworthy by acting it better, heck, given the actual characterization I think she acted well enough, her role is basically to act like a porn star who's also good with poison and poo poo, she nailed it. What can an actress do with a character like Obara who basically just sulks in the background and rolls her eyes when appropriate?
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Apr 28, 2016 20:43
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I think the sand snake actresses' are fine, but the characters are just poo poo, and there's not much even an amazing actor can do with that. Which actually makes me feel bad for them. They're probably reading all this internet hate on their characters and getting really bummed out about it. Kinda like Barristan's actor writing D&D saying "hey guys my character is really important in the books, please don't kill me  " (too bad, D&D don't give a gently caress)Remember that shot of Rob's actor riding the subway after the red wedding?  At least people still like Rob, more or less.
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Apr 28, 2016 20:47
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Solkanar512 posted:That and Jamie signs his paycheck. Jaime and Cersei voided his betrothal to the Stokesworth girl as leverage to get him to help, with the promise of a betrothal to a prettier girl with a better castle if the princess was rescued. She wasn't. That Jaime might be giving him a per diem doesn't change the fact that the Lannisters destroyed his shot at a relatively secure future.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:05
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Zaphod42 posted:Remember that shot of Rob's actor riding the subway after the red wedding? Oh yeah, that reminds me 
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Apr 28, 2016 21:05
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Zaphod42 posted:Remember that shot of Rob's actor riding the subway after the red wedding? lol I just looked up this pic and it's literally just the dude riding the subway with a blank look on his face. Are people seriously attributing meaning to that?
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Apr 28, 2016 21:28
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Blazing Ownager posted:Don't suggest such things. No see, he was weak because he didn't send his troops into the other kingdoms to fight a doomed war to avenge the princess. And then he was weak when he made a political alliance by marriage to people who had been their enemies. And his son needed to die because... This season opener sucked, it was an hour of footage for us to get a confirmation that yes indeed they are following Daenarys who is going to the only city that the Dothraki have, and for Brienne to meet up with Sansa. After the relentless downer that was last season, and the huge number of hanging plot threads they had, they should have made an effort to have one significant thing happen in this episode that someone could be excited about. Well actually Ramsy lost some of his Good Men, it's over for the Boltons now.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:30
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PantsBandit posted:lol I just looked up this pic and it's literally just the dude riding the subway with a blank look on his face. Are people seriously attributing meaning to that? Dude it was funny, who cares? THA TITTY THRILLER posted:Oh yeah, that reminds me This is 
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Apr 28, 2016 21:32
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PantsBandit posted:lol I just looked up this pic and it's literally just the dude riding the subway with a blank look on his face. Are people seriously attributing meaning to that?
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Apr 28, 2016 21:33
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I prefer this:
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Apr 28, 2016 21:34
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Super Ninja Fish posted:This is what I have in my GoT folder. I put it on a imgur album. I don't know what comes from where. image dump alert.                
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Apr 28, 2016 21:35
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Zaphod42 posted:I think the sand snake actresses' are fine, but the characters are just poo poo, and there's not much even an amazing actor can do with that. Totally, I agree. Their acting comes off as "bad" because their characters are insanely one-note and undeveloped. They sneer, and say snarky things, and kill people. With no complexity or conflict or nuance. I'm sure that's the only reason anyone's talking about Trystane's goddamn boat: when you're invested in the story, logistical discrepancy doesn't matter as much, but nobody is compelled enough by Dorne to let it off the hook. If the trajectory of the Dorne plot was supposed to be that Doran is a weak, complacent ruler, and the Sand Snakes spearhead a popular nationalist uprising to unseat him, they completely failed to show it. They should've showed popular unrest, Dornish people who resent Doran and want revenge for Oberyn...which they could have done a dozen ways as Jaime infiltrated the country. Ellaria says Doran is a spineless weakling who hides inside his gardens...show that, too. Doran and his son lounging around while people scream and protest outside the walls. What we actually got were a handful of similar scenes where Ellaria says these things with all the weight of a feather. They should probably have uniquely characterized the Sand Snakes, too. Maybe Obara's super gung-ho about the whole thing, but Nymeria isn't. Maybe Tyene is conflicted over what she's doing but doesn't want to contradict her mother. Maybe they're anything but interchangeable sexy-murderers who stab and poison folks. They could still do these things, but why not do it from the start? It's confounding...loving *Olly* has motivations that make sense, a clear arc. A total blackhat like Locke had an expressed motivation that made sense. This show is extremely capable of these things, yet this entire plot arc has been so lazy.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:42
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Yeah that's a good point, just have that old guy who Jaime let go when they landed on Dorne, have Bronn be like "hey, he's gonna tell the Martells about us!" And have the old guy go "gently caress the Martells *spit*". Just one scene like that would help so much if this was the direction they were going. Instead it feels like they just decided last minute "ooh, we should kill somebody in episode 1 as a shocker to get the season rolling... and even better lets make it somebody not dead in the books! That'll really surprise everybody, even the book readers!" Xealot posted:They should probably have uniquely characterized the Sand Snakes, too. Maybe Obara's super gung-ho about the whole thing, but Nymeria isn't. Maybe Tyene is conflicted over what she's doing but doesn't want to contradict her mother. Maybe they're anything but interchangeable sexy-murderers who stab and poison folks. They could still do these things, but why not do it from the start? It's confounding...loving *Olly* has motivations that make sense, a clear arc. A total blackhat like Locke had an expressed motivation that made sense. This show is extremely capable of these things, yet this entire plot arc has been so lazy. Yeah, also this would have helped a ton. The characters are just loving cardboard cutouts right now, they have zero depth whatsoever.
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