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"Majority reject both socialism and capitalism" Feudalism, onward! Caste systems for all!
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Mo_Steel posted:Eh, I doubt it'll be that bad. Consider 2012: I support phase-out of carcinogenic-emitting and point of origin for cancer cluster generation capacity, to be replaced with generation capacity which don't loving cause cancer clusters to cost the taxpayers of this state hundreds of millions per year in otherwise preventable healthcare expenditures. Whether this means an unknown mixture of nuclear, biochar, solar, wind --- I don't give a poo poo the exact ratio, let's save the taxpayers some loving money by doing energy generation right. You say nuclear, I see environmental justice resulting in long-term savings for taxpayers. Let's get this poo poo done and bring some gently caress'n nuclear generation capacity to this region. If we had the plants, we'd have the power.
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Hey yall without any engineering background do you know at all how much it costs to run, construct, and maintain any nuclear reactor? Solar panels are getting super cheap, battery storage tech is near breakthrough right now, and wind is even cheaper in some parts of the US. yall can dream of nuclear reactors but their affordability window has passed, to the point solar is cheaper to produce now than nuclear per KW.
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Fast Luck posted:There's actually a ton of people who haven't voted in the democratic primary yet, so not sure what merited anyone to be bothered enough by a thread they didn't have to read that theyd gas it. Reminds me of the dailykos banning people criticizing Hillary or whatever. Circling the wagons. If anyone here is that uncomfortable about people rejecting the democratic establishment then they're really in for it because the Bernie thread may have just been meme loving fucks & shitposters, but theres seemingly an entire generation thats overhwlemingly done with the bullshit. I got probated over that whole deal and have never been so proud in my posting career. Although the 6 hour probation smacked of the democracy spring slap-on-the-wrist zip tie "arrests".
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Mo_Steel posted:"Majority reject both socialism and capitalism" That poll info was worded so poorly, the fact 33% of an entire generation in the US support socialism is nuts. C-SPAN Caller has issued a correction as of 19:34 on Apr 29, 2016 |
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Apr 29, 2016 19:31
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C-SPAN Caller posted:Hey yall without any engineering background do you know at all how much it costs to run, construct, and maintain any nuclear reactor? Costs a shitload less than spending on healthcare, I tell you what. Quit being such a goddamn hippie and join me in advocating for the nuclear approach to environmental issues.
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Apr 29, 2016 19:33
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dylguy90 posted:I got probated over that whole deal and have never been so proud in my posting career. Although the 6 hour probation smacked of the democracy spring slap-on-the-wrist zip tie "arrests". My Imaginary GF posted:Costs a shitload less than spending on healthcare, I tell you what. Quit being such a goddamn hippie and join me in advocating for the nuclear approach to environmental issues. Lol its not even a hippie view it's just there's cheaper alternatives much like how single payer healthcare would be cheaper than our current system while also being good.
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Apr 29, 2016 19:34
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C-SPAN Caller posted:Hey yall without any engineering background do you know at all how much it costs to run, construct, and maintain any nuclear reactor? From a quick look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source  So we should also build a bunch of windfarms too.  Whatever gets us away from causing more climate change fastest.
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Apr 29, 2016 19:35
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Also fusion or bust for research, Germany is beating our asses at that
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C-SPAN Caller posted:In other news, I'm the tech chair on my local committee for the city controller, as well as getting stronger ties with our local public radio. Grats!
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Apr 29, 2016 19:48
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Without getting into annoying amounts of detail there is a ton of risk involved with nuclear construction and energy forecasting. Nuclear plants stopped being built in the private sector for reasons beyond 'hippies hate it' or something.
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lmao no offense but pennsylvania is a hellhole https://twitter.com/3r1nG/status/726108250211553280
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Wow, that's not even Western PA, that's just west of Scranton.
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TinFoilJoy posted:Looking into downticket races has taught me that the Michigan Democratic Party might be just as toothless as Dem parties in deep red states. And progressives. GlitchThief posted:I'm in one of the few states that apparently has no acceptably progressive candidates for any state or federal seats. What should I do, other than smoke weed and eat junk food until I choke on my own vomit? Well you know, Bernie got his start running for local office on a third-party ticket...  Not that either of you has to run for office though, there's always local advocacy. How about this for a compromise: pick an issue where there's a decent grassroots movement already (e.g. Fight for 15). See if there's a local chapter. If there isn't, maybe contact the organization and offer to start one?
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Classic Comrade posted:lmao no offense but pennsylvania is a hellhole For a state that was in the Union you sure do see a lot of Confederate flags around here! 
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C-SPAN Caller posted:Before we get into a nuke hard on fest, it's not really economically or environmentaly sound because solar is becoming cheaper and wind already is in some parts of the country. A wind turbine at worst can fall down, a nuclear plant requires vigilance and a lot of people to keep running. And for what it's worth, they're making some great strides in overcoming some of the other hurdles with solar energy, where the SolarReserve field in Nevada can keep producing energy for 10 hours after the sun has gone down. quote:Fusion is probably the nuclear boat we should look into because it's safer and makes way more power. Even though molten salts are what they use at SolarReserve, I still think that molten salt thorium reactor would be a decent interim step-- waste with a half life of hundreds of years instead of thousands being what really caught my attention.
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Mr. Horrible posted:Not that either of you has to run for office though, there's always local advocacy. How about this for a compromise: pick an issue where there's a decent grassroots movement already (e.g. Fight for 15). See if there's a local chapter. If there isn't, maybe contact the organization and offer to start one? I like the sound of this. My posts in SA alone disqualify me for any office, but advocacy I can do. I'll see what my state has to offer or what I can introduce. Thanks for the advice.
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:And for what it's worth, they're making some great strides in overcoming some of the other hurdles with solar energy, where the SolarReserve field in Nevada can keep producing energy for 10 hours after the sun has gone down. Hot Thorium Emporium
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Nonsense posted:I think some Bernie in here is not bad, but poo poo posting must be done in your head now. I like to think all of my posts are shitposts. This one especially
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https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/726135807447207941 It's nice to know so many pundits and surrogates of Clinton are willing to make a total 180 from previous positions for no other discernible reason than to align themselves with her.
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Apr 29, 2016 21:15
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My Imaginary GF posted:How the gently caress you store solar power for night, you fuckwit? Nuclear is the only loving sustainable, viable, and actionable energy generation policy which advances the cause of environmental justice. There are a lot of ways. I talked to the CEO of a company in New York that actually 'solved' that problem on a small scale, and some of my friends at Boeing are working on off-shore long-term energy storage units.
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Apr 29, 2016 21:16
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You store the solar power in energon cubes, genius.
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Apr 29, 2016 21:20
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heh did anyone post that poll yet that shows clinton tied with trump?
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it's kinda cute that MIGF followed us here, poor man must be so lonely
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GlitchThief posted:You store the solar power in energon cubes, genius. e: Actually that stuff might be proprietary 
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NumberLast posted:Nah, you take a giant vessel, put it underwater and pump the water out, then you put a dynamo on the intake valve, all connected to offshore wind or tidal turbines. This sounds incredibly badass.
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The biggest problem that progressivism faces is that what we want and need economically, socially, and environmentally aren't profitable by their nature so ne0liberal poo poo heels will never do anything worthwhile.
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Smoremaster posted:it's kinda cute that MIGF followed us here, poor man must be so lonely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b11ZU2HceDg
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"to be dead... to be nothing... to listen to Hillary Clinton no more..."
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Krampus Grewcock posted:The biggest problem that progressivism faces is that what we want and need economically, socially, and environmentally aren't profitable by their nature so ne0liberal poo poo heels will never do anything worthwhile. thats why we need to get the ne0liberals the hell out 
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I like nuclear power plants and I like solar energy plants and I like wind turbines and I think we should do all those things because gently caress coal 
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Classic Comrade posted:thats why we need to get the ne0liberals the hell out all I'm saying is, guillotines are effective, safe, efficient and cheap. any downticket races I should be paying special attention to? I know there was that lex-luthor looking awesome dude running against DWS.
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Mo_Steel posted:all I'm saying is, guillotines are effective, safe, efficient and cheap. look @ the op all their primaries are coming up within the next few months (or have already passed and they won and are going to their general elections)
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Got the voter pamphlet for the WA-8 race today! Ballot coming soon! Yaaay!
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bernie should be in the op since his campaign is still active i wonder how much hrc paid the mods to gas the old thread
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C-SPAN Caller posted:Hey yall without any engineering background do you know at all how much it costs to run, construct, and maintain any nuclear reactor? I'm sorry but if you projected a 5-fold increase in efficiency for any of these it doesn't match anywhere near what nuclear can produce -- especially with regard to material consumption and ecological footprint. Real costs are distorted by the incredible (absurd) safety regulations a nuclear power plant is subjected to. This is where the discussion really gets muddled. Three mile island and Fukishima have nothing in common with Chernobyl. Bear in mind that power generation is a process that happens not only at the point of deployment, but also in gathering the materials necessary to construct the thing. Strategic deployment of solar and wind is great and should be done, but this is an energy austerity scenario.
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Mo_Steel posted:all I'm saying is, guillotines are effective, safe, efficient and cheap. These are the real solution to climate change. C-SPAN Caller posted:Also fusion or bust for research, Germany is beating our asses at that Can't afford to wait for fusion. And the particular achievements made in Germany are noteworthy, but will not translate to any meaningful energy production soon -- as in the timescales we are concerned about now.
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