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Ozu posted:Mildly annoyed. I wanted to trade up. Giving up a 2nd to do so probably would have been a bad move though. I genuinely thought you guys were going to swoop in and take him. It seemed to line up perfectly. Don't worry I'm sure he'll Dion Jordan his way outta the league now that he's on our team. And lol Mcmagic come on dude he was the best tackle in the draft. Picking Decker over him is a lie. Let me have this, it'll make the Hack pick later today sting less
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IcePhoenix posted:I hope the Vikings trade up for Jack because I think it would be funny to have the 2013 UCLA Bruins linebacker corps. Agree. Also, I was getting phone updates instead of watching by the time that the Vikings drafted Treadwell. Him bringing his daughter up on stage is extremely 
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I'm real mad over the Cowboys drafting a running back when they have real needs all over the roster.Bob Sturm posted:Look at it this way: They paid almost nothing for Darren McFadden last year ... then took away Tony Romo ... then Dez Bryant ... then McFadden was not given the ball 11-plus times in a game until mid-October. Without being able to run zone plays with any effectiveness and only starting 10 games with no quarterback threat, he still finished fourth in the league in rushing. Odds are, if he started all 16, he might have won a rushing title. And they paid nothing for him. Does it make sense to pay a fortune to fix that? What needed fixing that couldn't have been accomplished for far less? In other words, Elliott is great, but you just bought a Maserati while living with your parents. It is a very nice car. But, perhaps we should move out of dad's house. http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2016/04/29/sturm-longterm-view-takes-seat-backseat
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AAA DOLFAN posted:I genuinely thought you guys were going to swoop in and take him. It seemed to line up perfectly. Oh if he was there at 20 I would've definitely wanted the Jets to take him. I was just saying that it upset me more than the Jets didn't get any of the Tackles than that we didn't trade up for him which probably would've been too expensive for my liking anyway.
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IcePhoenix posted:I hope the Vikings trade up for Jack because I think it would be funny to have the 2013 UCLA Bruins linebacker corps. You should take Kendall Fuller so all three brothers are in the same division.
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https://twitter.com/jeffdarlington/status/726145688019603456 Darlington knows the Dolphins better than anyone. Guess it's real.
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Mystic Stylez posted:100%, just watch it. I want Spence (preferably) or Dodd, but even if one of them is available along with Ragland, welp. I will be mad as gently caress Are you me? Ragland over Spence and I'm calling for CTE testing on Ozzie.
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http://grrm.livejournal.com/484443.htmlquote:NFL Draft, Round One GRRM knows whats up.
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AfterFather posted:I'm real mad over the Cowboys drafting a running back when they have real needs all over the roster. The Jerry Jones methodology is basically: Step 1. Waste high pick on back Step 2. Get a couple years of good performance, give him a huge contract Step 3. Watch as back comes crashing to earth Step 4. Repeat step 1 Reminder: http://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-jerry-jones-cowboys/
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Ehud posted:https://twitter.com/jeffdarlington/status/726145688019603456 
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Jerry Jones has drafted the most pro bowlers out of any GM in the last 10 years.
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Are there many New Yorkers who enjoy rooting for both the Jets or Giants
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Ozu posted:I hope it's a real allergic reaction to Tannehill's stupid face. he's actually quite handsome IMO
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Ehud posted:https://twitter.com/jeffdarlington/status/726145688019603456 I once ate a peanut to have an excuse to take a day off of work, so I get it. Also someone went through FO's injury DB to try and find comparable guys for Myles Jack and schrodinger's knee: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings/2016/teams-dont-know-jack quote:Let’s start with the good. If you’re looking for optimism, look no further than Mr. Travis Kelce. Kelce needed microfracture surgery and missed his entire rookie year, but he made the Pro Bowl last year. Kenny Phillips didn’t fare too badly either, and his surgery was also early in his career. Of note, though, his procedure was reportedly for patellofemoral arthritis, which may be different from what Jack has – I’m not sure we have enough details to know. Perhaps even more impressive were Kelly Gregg and Kevin Hardy, who appeared to recover just fine from microfracture surgery later in their careers. This might be the exact situation Jack is facing.
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mcmagic posted:Jerry Jones has drafted the most pro bowlers out of any GM in the last 10 years. It's almost like the players on the Cowboys are more popular or something.
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NC-17 posted:It's almost like the players on the Cowboys are more popular or something. Or they have a lot of good players.
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Pron on VHS posted:Are there many New Yorkers who enjoy rooting for both the Jets or Giants
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^^--also at least somewhat true, hence all the GM firing.mcmagic posted:Jerry Jones has drafted the most pro bowlers out of any GM in the last 10 years. The Chiefs actually beat them by one if I counted it up right, they've just done it with 3 different GMs.
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NC-17 posted:Pro Bowl selection has nothing to do with being good. They do, objectively, have a lot of good players and have objectively, drafted well.
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mcmagic posted:They do, objectively, have a lot of good players and have objectively, drafted well. i can only imagine jerry shifting around in his chair and screaming internally at all those o-line picks with all those sexy skill position players left on the board. they gave him one this year.
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mcmagic posted:Jerry Jones has drafted the most pro bowlers out of any GM in the last 10 years. Is this like actual pro bowlers or "well the eight guys ahead of you declined so you're in now" pro bowlers? Also is it separate players or if one guy gets five invites does that count as five? These are important questions I must know the answer to.
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mcmagic posted:They do, objectively, have a lot of good players and have objectively, drafted well. Pro Bowl selection is as much about noteriety as it is skill. Playing in Dallas enhances that affect. Not to mention that superior players dropping out often means you end up with mediocre players given a "Pro Bowl Player" feather in their cap. Also, how many other GMs have even survived 10 years to make this a fair comparison? Jerry Jones the owner should have fired Jerry Jones the GM a long time ago.
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IcePhoenix posted:Is this like actual pro bowlers or "well the eight guys ahead of you declined so you're in now" pro bowlers? Demarcus Ware Jay Ratliff Martellus Bennett Dez Bryant Tyron Smith DeMarco Murray Travis Frederick Zack Martin Sean Lee
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Goodell said that he was unaware of the Tunsil video until after he was drafted. Does Goodell go into a sensory deprivation chamber for the ten minutes between pick announcements?
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"The Dallas Cowboys are on the clock" Jerry Jones grabs the nearest postcard and scrawls "EZZEKIL ELLIOT THE ONE WITH THE ABS". Stephen Jones tries to grab the card from him and replace it with the pre-printed one reading "Jalen Ramsey, Cornerback" but Jerry pulls out a chrome revolver and points it directly at his son's forehead.
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Ozu posted:These are all legitimately good players. There are a couple ones that probably sneaked in like Malcolm Jenkins and Nick Folk but I don't see the argument that they haven't drafted well. Yeah seriously. Even restricting it to just the 1st round pick, so the most obvious cases of hitting on your guy, he's solidly hit on 4 of his last 5, which is fantastic. They don't do so great on the rest of the draft, but his hit rate is comparable to any GM's over the last 5 years or decade. He obviously listened to someone at some point, and there's no reason to bag on him for the Cowboy's drafting at this point.
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You're all probably right, but Pro Bowl selection is just an awful way to determine the success of anyone.
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How many All-Pros you drafted is probably a better barometer, but still not very good. David Tyree was a pro bowler once.
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Pro bowler is a really quick and dirty thing that can catch some false positives due to ST guys or insane picks (Tyree / Brandon Meriweather). Really you should probably just come up with a criteria, and have people fill out what draft picks fit in where an build a dataset to use that way.... Oh no i'm getting a spreadsheet boner, please help. Of course, that's tough. Do you care about where a guy was drafted? Reggie Bush was a fine player, but he went #2 overall and never came close to living up to that. What if a guy was a disappointment, but so were the next 15 guys drafted? Also what if you cut a guy, but he turns out to be a servicable starter for someone else? Is Ted Larsen a bad draft pick because you cut him in training camp, or a pretty good evaluation of a 6th round guy because he's stuck around and started ~50 games for a bunch of teams? Kalli fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Apr 29, 2016 |
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Kalli posted:Yeah seriously. Even restricting it to just the 1st round pick, so the most obvious cases of hitting on your guy, he's solidly hit on 4 of his last 5, which is fantastic. Hitting on your first is nice but it's not everything Rick Smith is fantastic at the first round but is absolutely terrible at rounds 2-5 Texans first round picks starting from last year Kevin Johnson (looked very good) Jadeveon Clowney (the injury bust, ironic because he's by far the highest Rick has ever picked) DeAndre Hopkins (no need to say more) Whitney Mercilus (turned the corner and has been really good the last two/three years, A+ name) JJ Watt (heh) Kareem Jackson (solid #2 corner) Brian Cushing (OVERTRAINING) Duane Brown (Owns) Amobi Okoye (Bleh, could've had Patrick Willis) The only real bust on that list is Okoye, maybe Clowney if he never gets right. Meanwhile you have pro bowlers in Brown, Cushing and Hopkins and an three time DPOTY with Watt. Of all these picks, only Clowney was taken before the 10th overall But because he's horrible at day 2/early day 3, the roster still ends up thin and the team has never had any real measure of success
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Dallas has made some great draft picks over the past several years that deserve the pro bowl but lets not pretend anyone would notice Zach Martin if he ended up in Tennessee instead
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The Lions' presumed starting offensive line comprises: LT Riley Reiff, 1st round, 2012 LG Laken Tomlinson, 1st round, 2015 C Travis Swanson, 3rd round, 2014 RG Larry Warford, 3rd round, 2013 RT Taylor Decker, 1st round, 2016 So they've quietly been taking a Cowboys-esque approach, it's just that the Cowboys have picked significantly better players, outside of Big Larry Warford. 
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quote:Pick Analysis: "He was announced as a tackle, but some people like him inside at guard. He's massive and powerful, but I question his technique. He's a bit of a waist-bender. Whether he plays tackle or guard, he will be coached by one of the best in the business in Tom Cable. This is a really good pick for a team that needs offensive linemen." -- Mike Mayock Has Mayock even watched the Seattle offensive line in the past few years?
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seiferguy posted:Has Mayock even watched the Seattle offensive line in the past few years? Cable didn't trade away your best lineman for Jimmy Graham
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Ehud posted:https://twitter.com/jeffdarlington/status/726151831894786049 "Yes I had an allergic reaction. I'm blessed."
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Ross Angeles posted:Cable didn't trade away your best lineman for Jimmy Graham Our offensive lines for the past two years before that were atrocious too. Yeah, we went to the Super Bowl those seasons, but it was in spite of our O-line, not because of it. You can also argue that the reason Unger was viewed as expendable was because everyone thought Tom Cable was some O-Line whisperer that could convert anyone for the position. That turned out to be bullshit so far too.
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Febreeze posted:Dallas has made some great draft picks over the past several years that deserve the pro bowl but lets not pretend anyone would notice Zach Martin if he ended up in Tennessee instead I would 
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seiferguy posted:Our offensive lines for the past two years before that were atrocious too. Yeah, we went to the Super Bowl those seasons, but it was in spite of our O-line, not because of it. Seattle's line is awful at Pass Blocking, but pretty solid at Run Blocking, I think Football Outsiders had them top 5. They are just min/maxing as a team by prioritizing defense and running - you can't really put that on Cable.
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