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upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

A singular dwarf is actually quite aerodynamic. Multiple dwarfs in a tight formation, not so much.

This post was brought to you by The Imperial Department of Physics and Moustache Waxing at Nuln University.

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Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

sarmhan posted:

Dude, all you do is post your lovely, uniformed opinions that read like they came out of grog.txt
People aren't obligated to be nice to you.

God loving forbid i criticize a bugged cavalry charge

The tone of whfb is besides the point the point is it looks out of place and stupid

Phi230 fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Apr 29, 2016

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


Phi230 posted:

Why are you such a prick

Are you so invested in total warhammer you feel rage at those who dont share your love of a loving video game

It's because you're insufferable and have a ridiculous meltdown with every new video released, you tremendous bellend.

:chillout: or :getout:

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


Phi230 posted:

Why are you such a prick

Are you so invested in total warhammer you feel rage at those who dont share your love of a loving video game

Weren't you the one who through a tantrum about a video game then started calling things non canonical?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Skandranon posted:

What about this one?



That's a lovely hat he's got.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

Phi230 posted:

God loving forbid i criticize a bugged cavalry charge

The tone of whfb is besides the point the point is it looks out of place and stupid

Please keep posting it makes everyone feel better about themselves to witness a human being who cares way too much about the most asinine things. Literally every time you post, not even just this cav charge debacle that exists in your head.

Ya git

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.
posting about bad posters is still bad posting

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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Anything that fucks up old white conservatives is a plus in my book.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Sedisp posted:

Weren't you the one who through a tantrum about a video game then started calling things non canonical?

No i wasnt I was saying it looked stupid and out of places and other autists took it upon themselves to start arguing about what whfb is all about

Triskelli
Sep 27, 2011

I AM A SKELETON
WITH VERY HIGH
STANDARDS


Phi230 posted:

When have I ever claimed that whfb was deep or nuanced.

Youre ignoring what im saying completely so you can act like a smug douchebag dude

Meh, I'm just trying to be a little funny. I think the misunderstanding stems from

Phi230 posted:

Its unrealistic AND looks like poo poo.

If you want goofy cartoon fantasy play warcraft or something

To me this statement implies that Warcraft is "cartoonish" and "goofy", which it is indeed.
It also implies that Warhammer is not "cartoonish" and "goofy", and that Warcraft would be a preferred alternative.
Therefore you seem to be communicating that Warhammer is "realistic" and "serious" instead of "cartoonish" and "goofy".

The mistaken assumption I made was that Warhammer being "realistic" and "serious" would imply that it is also "deep" and "nuanced".
Which is patently untrue, and I do apologize for the error. In fact the deepest and most nuanced media I've seen in the past few months have all been goofy cartoons or could be described as "cartoonishly goofy"

So I guess I should leave you alone. If you enjoy a realistic, shallow, serious and boring experience then by all means go enjoy that. Like paint drying.
Because you never seem to have fun posting here.

peer
Jan 17, 2004

this is not what I wanted

Phi230 posted:

No i wasnt I was saying it looked stupid and out of places and other autists took it upon themselves to start arguing about what whfb is all about

Calling other people autists who care too much in this context is pretty rich when you claimed the unit sizes in Total Warhammer were "totally making GBS threads on the WHFB lore"

madmac
Jun 22, 2010

Triskelli posted:

I have my reservations about how pronounced the knockdown on dwarfs. On the tabletop the Dwarfs all have an innate resistance to being charged, but based on these unit cards only Longbeards and Ironbreakers can stand up to any sort of charge. I mean granted we've got a worst case scenario for the Dwarfs in this video but outside of Ungrim Ironfist I don't think I saw a dwarf stay standing when it could've been knocked down. It wouldn't be so bad, but then the bombs dropped by the Gyrobomber didn't cause any knockdown that I could see, which feels like an especially nasty double standard.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a group of Thunderers should be able to tank a hit from Kholek "I hit like a freight-train full of neutron stars" Suneater, but it's really important that the Dwarfs can stand up to charges when they lack any sort of polearms.

All shielded Dwarf units do have charge resistance, it's noted on their unit card. Thunderers specifically don't have that protection.

Also bear in mind that these aren't run of the mill Cav here, these are Chaos Knights with lances, which glancing at their stat card are probably just a notch behind Grail Knights as the most powerful shock cavalry currently in the game, 74 Charge is some crazy bullshit. The majority of Cav units wouldn't have nearly the same impact, and nearly any unbraced infantry unit would melt in the face of a full-on charge from those things, dwarves and flying physics or no.

Sarmhan
Nov 1, 2011


Phi230 posted:

No i wasnt I was saying it looked stupid and out of places and other autists took it upon themselves to start arguing about what whfb is all about
Yea you have a terminal lack of self-awareness.

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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I'm going to edit all the dwarven unit names to states in the south, and laugh when my progressive as gently caress chaos cavalry sends the republican Missourians and georgians flying through the air.

Asehujiko
Apr 6, 2011

Phi230 posted:

No i wasnt I was saying it looked stupid and out of places and other autists took it upon themselves to start arguing about what whfb is all about
That "other autists" is you. You were the first to declare that exaggerated knockback effects aren't part of warhammer. In case you forgot:

Phi230 posted:

Its unrealistic AND looks like poo poo.

If you want goofy cartoon fantasy play warcraft or something

Fresh Shesh Besh
May 15, 2013

I regret ever bringing this up lmao.

Triskelli
Sep 27, 2011

I AM A SKELETON
WITH VERY HIGH
STANDARDS


madmac posted:

All shielded Dwarf units do have charge resistance, it's noted on their unit card. Thunderers specifically don't have that protection.

Also bear in mind that these aren't run of the mill Cav here, these are Chaos Knights with lances, which glancing at their stat card are probably just a notch behind Grail Knights as the most powerful shock cavalry currently in the game, 74 Charge is some crazy bullshit. The majority of Cav units wouldn't have nearly the same impact, and nearly any unbraced infantry unit would melt in the face of a full-on charge from those things, dwarves and flying physics or no.

Yeah, extraordinary circumstances and all that. It's just that in the rulebook "Shieldwall" was even applied to units without shields like Hammerers, and the units that still have shields like Thunderers don't have it. Still, it's impossible to pass judgement on this sort of thing until we've got the game in our hands.

Comte de Saint-Germain
Mar 26, 2001

Snouk but and snouk ben,
I find the smell of an earthly man,
Be he living, or be he dead,
His heart this night shall kitchen my bread.
I love this forum.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Triskelli posted:

Meh, I'm just trying to be a little funny. I think the misunderstanding stems from


To me this statement implies that Warcraft is "cartoonish" and "goofy", which it is indeed.
It also implies that Warhammer is not "cartoonish" and "goofy", and that Warcraft would be a preferred alternative.
Therefore you seem to be communicating that Warhammer is "realistic" and "serious" instead of "cartoonish" and "goofy".

The mistaken assumption I made was that Warhammer being "realistic" and "serious" would imply that it is also "deep" and "nuanced".
Which is patently untrue, and I do apologize for the error. In fact the deepest and most nuanced media I've seen in the past few months have all been goofy cartoons or could be described as "cartoonishly goofy"

So I guess I should leave you alone. If you enjoy a realistic, shallow, serious and boring experience then by all means go enjoy that. Like paint drying.
Because you never seem to have fun posting here.

Yea its a simple misunderstanding cuz I didnt explain my point very well its all good man

Im still gonna play the game and have fun no matter what on day 1 because in the end who really gives a gently caress about charhe animations or whatever and yall are mistaking my arguments and cursing for legit grog passion

PirateBob
Jun 14, 2003
Am I the only one who thinks the fighting in the battles looks really boring? Bad physics, no blood, no hit effects when the dwarves are pounding on the centaur creature in the Kholek Suneater Let's Play.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

PirateBob posted:

Am I the only one who thinks the fighting in the battles looks really boring? Bad physics, no blood, no hit effects when the dwarves are pounding on the centaur creature in the Kholek Suneater Let's Play.

I can all but guarantee there will be a blood pack within like 2 months just like always.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

I'd def like some more blood splatter during those impacts.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Dandywalken posted:

I'd def like some more blood splatter during those impacts.
Make the bodies not fly a thousand miles away, but have them pushed along instead, leaving a thick smear of blood. Ideally, various body parts could get chopped off and send flying too, with a nice gush of blood on impact and some blood trailing behind as arms and heads soar over the enemy's ranks. I think that'd capture the proper grimdark tone of Warhammer better than weightless units being send flying. Obviously big critters could still send dudes flying, but it'd be nice if they looked clearly dead and mangled while flying through the air.

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

I'd rather see a dwarf get punted than torture porn.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
I really hope they dont make the blood pack so oddly over the top like in shogun

KillerQueen
Jul 13, 2010

So I've never played Total War, and in fact the only rts I've ever played was Starcraft 2 (and even then I wasn't that great at it). How harsh is the learning curve? I wanna WAAAGH mah way inta some sof' hummies.

DiHK
Feb 4, 2013

by Azathoth

Phi230 posted:

Others have said the charge looks stupid

All unpopular opinions must be whiners

Grow up fam god drat

Yeah, one other person.

Then you went all "BOY HE 'BOUT TO DO IT"

FutonForensic posted:

Assuming there wasn't one made already:

http://i.imgur.com/wivXEDP.gifv

The cape looks like rear end sure, but here's the thing: CA wants a game that runs. SO that mean they can only pull off one or two transform nodes for every cape. Just like they aren't going to write a specific physics function for dorf's because they're trying to ship a game. Dorf's are smaller than humies, so the effect is more pronounced. Maybe there's a variable they could tweak to down down how much they fly, but idk.

They've had to take out the whole individual animation thing, both for optimization reasons and because of poo poo like "one dude bugs up and the whole unit is screwed". Frankly, I like it better this way. IMO Rome 2 and Attila are dull as hell to watch.

It's nit-picky to bitch about the animations but a fair thing to criticize. But mainly, and I think I speak for most of us here, its rad as gently caress to watch Dorf Bowling, and y'all need to recognize.

EDIT: Blood will come with a nice $10-15 surcharge. I never felt it was necessary for previous titles but Total Warhammer deffo needs it.

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

KillerQueen posted:

So I've never played Total War, and in fact the only rts I've ever played was Starcraft 2 (and even then I wasn't that great at it). How harsh is the learning curve? I wanna WAAAGH mah way inta some sof' hummies.

It isn't too harsh. The tutorial is decent enough and as long as you follow common sense such as don't send cavalry near pikes then you will be fine.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

Phi230 posted:

I really hope they dont make the blood pack so oddly over the top like in shogun

There you go again with your ridiculous, objectively wrong options. The blood pack should be so over the top that I should be able to see the rivers run red in the campaign map.

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Skandranon posted:

There you go again with your ridiculous, objectively wrong options. The blood pack should be so over the top that I should be able to see the rivers run red in the campaign map.

Well if enough Khorne demons/worshipers start loving up a place then that is what should happen in the base game.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Skandranon posted:

There you go again with your ridiculous, objectively wrong options. The blood pack should be so over the top that I should be able to see the rivers run red in the campaign map.

Ok fine then can they at least make it look good instead of like red confetti

ParanoidInc
Apr 27, 2013

You dun scuffed me for the last time you no-good Zayn boy!
Fun Shoe
Also reminder that 90% of the time you'll be staring at flags micromanaging poo poo so it doesn't have to look perfect zoomed in

Delacroix
Dec 7, 2010

:munch:

pnutz posted:

from the guy who captured that cannonball gif that's now on the OP
http://i.imgur.com/u1nEKJR.gifv

Ah yes, the Battlefield school of flying. Where helicopters can goomba stomp infantry and fly away like a migratory bird.

PirateBob
Jun 14, 2003

ParanoidInc posted:

Also reminder that 90% of the time you'll be staring at flags micromanaging poo poo so it doesn't have to look perfect zoomed in

Haha oh please. That's a piss poor fanboy's excuse.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

KillerQueen posted:

So I've never played Total War, and in fact the only rts I've ever played was Starcraft 2 (and even then I wasn't that great at it). How harsh is the learning curve? I wanna WAAAGH mah way inta some sof' hummies.

they're easy outside of some stupid broken poo poo most of them have you just have to read a bit about so you can avoid it

ParanoidInc
Apr 27, 2013

You dun scuffed me for the last time you no-good Zayn boy!
Fun Shoe

PirateBob posted:

Haha oh please. That's a piss poor fanboy's excuse.

Honestly i don't give a poo poo about how it looks as long as the gameplay is as good as Shogun 2 or Napoleon, so okay

MadJackMcJack
Jun 10, 2009

Triskelli posted:

I have my reservations about how pronounced the knockdown on dwarfs. On the tabletop the Dwarfs all have an innate resistance to being charged, but based on these unit cards only Longbeards and Ironbreakers can stand up to any sort of charge. I mean granted we've got a worst case scenario for the Dwarfs in this video but outside of Ungrim Ironfist I don't think I saw a dwarf stay standing when it could've been knocked down. It wouldn't be so bad, but then the bombs dropped by the Gyrobomber didn't cause any knockdown that I could see, which feels like an especially nasty double standard.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a group of Thunderers should be able to tank a hit from Kholek "I hit like a freight-train full of neutron stars" Suneater, but it's really important that the Dwarfs can stand up to charges when they lack any sort of polearms.

I'm guessing Dwarf infantry will have a whole mess of abilities which increase the unit's mass, like brace and shield wall, which should mitigate a lot of their aerodynamics.

blindwoozie
Mar 1, 2008

I don't mean to interrupt this thought provoking conversation, but the .gif in the OP is broken and this is not good

ditty bout my clitty
May 28, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

Phi230 posted:

Stop being a whiney bitch dude drat

Im even talking about the game what are you doing

Wow @ your entire posting career. It's like an unholy mix of TWC and gamefaqs-level posting.

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

KillerQueen posted:

So I've never played Total War, and in fact the only rts I've ever played was Starcraft 2 (and even then I wasn't that great at it). How harsh is the learning curve? I wanna WAAAGH mah way inta some sof' hummies.

To counter what others have said, consider starting with Shogun 2 first. There's a lot of little things peculiar to the Total War games unlike every other RTS that people in this thread take for granted, and it looks like Warhammer will be another big dollop of complexity on top.

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