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The Perfect Element posted:This is mind boggling. The vast majority of people have been to school until they were 16, and almost certainly at some point would have studied religion or wwii. People know what Jews and anti - semitism are. Jesus Christ. I know Jesus was a Jew, but I didn't know he was an anti-Semite. E: 150AD - civilization ends. (If you're a Mayan of the Middle Culture period.) Jedit fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Apr 30, 2016 |
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Hoops posted:, the most ludicrous thing I may have ever seen on the forums, and now it's been said by three people. you should check out the human leg someone tried to cure in the charcuterie thread in GWS
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Jose posted:you should check out the human leg someone tried to cure in the charcuterie thread in GWS https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3438423&pagenumber=29&perpage=40#post432200869 What the gently caress. They discuss it for a page or two, long enough to establish that yes, it is indeed a mouldy, part cured human leg, and then just go back to talking about bacon and cured duck and it's apparently never brought up again.
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That aint no human leg unless it's a loving hobbit leg. Look at the chopping board it's on and the carrier bag nearby. Look at the size of the knife marks on the chopping board. poo poo's tiny. Also I'm p sure that's not what a femur would look like when projecting out the top of a thigh neatly severed straight across. Not that I'd know anything about dismembering people  ee: MI5 note: I have literally never ever dismembered a human. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Apr 30, 2016 |
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Apr 30, 2016 10:06
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Oberleutnant posted:That aint no human leg unless it's a loving hobbit leg. Look at the chopping board it's on and the carrier bag nearby. Look at the size of the knife marks on the chopping board. poo poo's tiny. Could be a child! (  )
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Apr 30, 2016 10:39
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I do find the whole antisemitism a bit weird from a personal perspective because not once in my life have I encountered any bigots mouthing off 'grrr the loving jews!' honestly. Beyond ww2 such people have not entered my awareness much at all. Plenty of 'grrr the loving niggers/chinks/pakis/non white people' but no grrr jews. Im reasonably sure I dont live in a total isolation unit, i didn't realize this was a massive thing in the UK. In fact id go so far as to say it isn't a massive thing in the UK and this is all a load of bollocks.
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Seaside Loafer posted:I do find the whole antisemitism a bit weird from a personal perspective because not once in my life have I encountered any bigots mouthing off 'grrr the loving jews!' honestly. Beyond ww2 such people have not entered my awareness much at all. Plenty of 'grrr the loving niggers/chinks/pakis/non white people' but no grrr jews. Im reasonably sure I dont live in a total isolation unit, i didn't realize this was a massive thing in the UK. In fact id go so far as to say it isn't a massive thing in the UK and this is all a load of bollocks. Not sure where to start with this post.
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Apr 30, 2016 10:52
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Seaside Loafer posted:I do find the whole antisemitism a bit weird from a personal perspective because not once in my life have I encountered any bigots mouthing off 'grrr the loving jews!' honestly. Beyond ww2 such people have not entered my awareness much at all. Plenty of 'grrr the loving niggers/chinks/pakis/non white people' but no grrr jews. Im reasonably sure I dont live in a total isolation unit, i didn't realize this was a massive thing in the UK. In fact id go so far as to say it isn't a massive thing in the UK and this is all a load of bollocks. I've got a Pakistani friend who occasionally has to be reminded that no-one really wants to talk about the Jews with him. I think that antisemitism is more prevalent in certain communities and lots of mainstream brits don't see it because they aren't exposed to those communities.
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Seaside Loafer posted:I do find the whole antisemitism a bit weird from a personal perspective because not once in my life have I encountered any bigots mouthing off 'grrr the loving jews!' honestly. Beyond ww2 such people have not entered my awareness much at all. Plenty of 'grrr the loving niggers/chinks/pakis/non white people' but no grrr jews. Im reasonably sure I dont live in a total isolation unit, i didn't realize this was a massive thing in the UK. In fact id go so far as to say it isn't a massive thing in the UK and this is all a load of bollocks. This was kind of my point. I don't live in isolation, and I can count on one hand the number of Jewish Brits I've met, let alone anti-Semites. It's entirely possible to have only encountered anti-Semitism in media, which of course some people opt out of. As for education, exposure doesn't mean people are going to remember or care, especially now kids have no living relatives that fought in WW2. The other argument is a sematic one. I'm not saying people don't know what a Jew is, I'm saying they don't know what the word Semite means.
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Seaside Loafer posted:I do find the whole antisemitism a bit weird from a personal perspective because not once in my life have I encountered any bigots mouthing off 'grrr the loving jews!' honestly. Beyond ww2 such people have not entered my awareness much at all. Plenty of 'grrr the loving niggers/chinks/pakis/non white people' but no grrr jews. Im reasonably sure I dont live in a total isolation unit, i didn't realize this was a massive thing in the UK. In fact id go so far as to say it isn't a massive thing in the UK and this is all a load of bollocks. Yes because outside of the obvious actual fascist NF type groups actual anti-Semitism is fairly uncommon in the UK today but claiming it is a very useful rhetorical trick for those who want to legitimise Israeli politics. It's the purest dog whistle there is. E: ok didn't consider communities beyond my own where it may be more prevalent, my bad.
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Apr 30, 2016 10:59
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Ken's doubling down on LBC rn according to the graun.
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Apr 30, 2016 11:04
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https://twitter.com/iucounu/status/725624520791478272
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Apr 30, 2016 11:11
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If you really want to see Jews in the wild head down to Golders Green. They're the ones who look like a ZZ Top tribute act.
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Apr 30, 2016 11:12
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e: ^ if they actually perform and have spinning guitars im thereThomasPaine posted:E: ok didn't consider communities beyond my own where it may be more prevalent, my bad.
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Apr 30, 2016 11:19
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Oberleutnant posted:Ken's doubling down on LBC rn according to the graun. ffs does he not understand the damage he's doing?
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Apr 30, 2016 11:24
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Apr 30, 2016 11:27
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simon schama is a wanker imo
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Apr 30, 2016 11:30
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They're going to have to kick Livingstone out of the party at this point...
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Apr 30, 2016 11:33
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Namtab posted:This is still going on? ken livingstone is incapable of shutting the gently caress up so of course it is
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Apr 30, 2016 11:41
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Phoon posted:simon schama is a wanker imo As far as old male TV historians go, he's lightyears ahead of David Starkey at least.
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Apr 30, 2016 11:42
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Jose posted:ken livingstone is incapable of shutting the gently caress up so of course it is I was referring more to the discussion about anti semitism and the difference between that and Zionism which I thought we locked down two days ago. Any news about doctors strikes?
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Apr 30, 2016 11:46
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Seaside Loafer posted:I do find the whole antisemitism a bit weird from a personal perspective because not once in my life have I encountered any bigots mouthing off 'grrr the loving jews!' honestly. Beyond ww2 such people have not entered my awareness much at all. Plenty of 'grrr the loving niggers/chinks/pakis/non white people' but no grrr jews. Im reasonably sure I dont live in a total isolation unit, i didn't realize this was a massive thing in the UK. In fact id go so far as to say it isn't a massive thing in the UK and this is all a load of bollocks. Islamophobia is more prevalent at the moment for obvious reasons, and it takes more obvious forms ("loving Muslims coming over here raping our girls", etc) but antisemitism is arguably more insidious because it's just so entrenched and accepted. Ask most people what they know about Jews and you'll hear how they're very good at business, careful with money, etc, which people will tell you are compliments but are actually just modern palatable versions of centuries-old Jewish stereotypes - Jews take over all the businesses, Jews run the media, Jews are stingy, Jews only help themselves or each other and so on.
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The Israeli (far-)right also love the idea that all anti-Zionism is opposition to the very existence of Israel, as opposed to the concept of a genocidal semi-theocracy. I imagine there's a lot of nuance and probably just common sense being lost in Israeli politics now that the majority of people are Israeli-born instead of having experience of the pogroms and genocides of the early 20th century.
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Namtab posted:I was referring more to the discussion about anti semitism and the difference between that and Zionism which I thought we locked down two days ago. The what? Haven't you heard that Labour is anti-Semitic and Corbyn is a terrible person. There is no other news!
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:When I was at university, an older mate of my housemate took me aside all fatherly-like and told me "you want to look out for them" - nodding towards my stereotypically Jewish-looking study partner - "they look after their own". Joke's on him, I'm Jewish too! They wear funny hats and don't like cheeseburgers?
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TinTower posted:The Israeli (far-)right also love the idea that all anti-Zionism is opposition to the very existence of Israel, as opposed to the concept of a genocidal semi-theocracy. Given the single largest demographic in Israel are the secular Jews, it always surprises me how much they punch below their weight when determining the future course of Israel.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:Islamophobia is more prevalent at the moment for obvious reasons, and it takes more obvious forms ("loving Muslims coming over here raping our girls", etc) but antisemitism is arguably more insidious because it's just so entrenched and accepted. Ask most people what they know about Jews and you'll hear how they're very good at business, careful with money, etc, which people will tell you are compliments but are actually just modern palatable versions of centuries-old Jewish stereotypes - Jews take over all the businesses, Jews run the media, Jews are stingy, Jews only help themselves or each other and so on. Oh I did just remember mel gibson and his dad though hehe
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https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/726366351317696513
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:Islamophobia is more prevalent at the moment for obvious reasons, and it takes more obvious forms ("loving Muslims coming over here raping our girls", etc) but antisemitism is arguably more insidious because it's just so entrenched and accepted. Ask most people what they know about Jews and you'll hear how they're very good at business, careful with money, etc, which people will tell you are compliments but are actually just modern palatable versions of centuries-old Jewish stereotypes - Jews take over all the businesses, Jews run the media, Jews are stingy, Jews only help themselves or each other and so on. I hate to be this sort of person, and whilst I feel like I'm well read on such ingrained stereotyping of the Jewish faith/people, this certainly hasn't been a good week for dispelling the "Jews run the media" myth. And I say this in spite of the many years of awful negative coverage that Ed Milliband got. EDIT: again though, it certainly doesn't help that BBC News had an awful interview yesterday afternoon with the head/representative of the group "Jews for Jeremy", and then the interviewer spent all of it trying to put words in his mouth, before using none of the footage at the 6pm news bit.
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I feel dirty saying it but I agree with Alistair Campbell. Ken is fast approaching George Galloway territory for just sheer wingnuttery.
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Chocolate Teapot posted:I hate to be this sort of person, and whilst I feel like I'm well read on such ingrained stereotyping of the Jewish faith/people, this certainly hasn't been a good week for dispelling the "Jews run the media" myth. And I say this in spite of the many years of awful negative coverage that Ed Milliband got.
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Apr 30, 2016 12:09
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Pesmerga posted:They're going to have to kick Livingstone out of the party at this point... How long does it take them to make a decision on this kind of thing? Simon Danczuk's been suspended from the party for going on four months now without any update and while leaving Danczuk in limbo is probably the best course of action, I'm sure Labour want this cleared up as soon as possible.
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Baron Corbyn posted:How long does it take them to make a decision on this kind of thing? Simon Danczuk's been suspended from the party for going on four months now without any update and while leaving Danczuk in limbo is probably the best course of action, I'm sure Labour want this cleared up as soon as possible. Apparently the committee meet in July.
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Prince John posted:Given the single largest demographic in Israel are the secular Jews, it always surprises me how much they punch below their weight when determining the future course of Israel. Perhaps it's like with young people in the UK: settlers and ultra-orthodox jews always turn out to vote, while secular jews are more apathetic?* *I have zero knowledge of actual Israeli voting demographics
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feedmegin posted:Could be a child! ( Charcuterie, not Charcutory.
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Bear in mind that Likud only took something like 25% of the vote and it looked like they might not have actually been able to form a government for a while.
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I don't think there's a Blairite plot right now. I *do* think there's a Tory/Paul Staines plot to take advantage of mouthy backbenchers who love to stick the knife in and Ken Livingstone's inability to keep his trap shut. As I said earlier, no coincidence this happened just as the Tories are at their weakest. Also, Ken Livingstone's intransigence stands in stark contrast to Naz Shah's apology, which I don't think she got enough credit for.
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Chocolate Teapot posted:I hate to be this sort of person, and whilst I feel like I'm well read on such ingrained stereotyping of the Jewish faith/people, this certainly hasn't been a good week for dispelling the "Jews run the media" myth. And I say this in spite of the many years of awful negative coverage that Ed Milliband got. Most of the manufactured outrage has come from Cameron and his mates Murdoch and Dacre, none of whom are Jewish as far as I'm aware.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:What exactly about this week has reaffirmed the "Jews run the media" stereotype? Does it surprise you that a lot of Jewish groups are being invited to air their views on a significant political figure claiming that Hitler was a Zionist? Though I'm sure he didn't mean them to, Livingstone's comments flew dangerously close to the "Jews should love Hitler, he got them what they wanted all along" trope that extremists love to trot out. Jewish groups are going to have a view on those words coming out of the mouth of a member of the Leader of the Opposition's inner circle. I totally understand, it's just that somehow* this story is taking precedence over some phenomonally massive stories in the last week, which I feel bolsters such a negative stereotype. *absurdly right-wing media looking to take attention away from Conservative gently caress-ups
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