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steakmancer posted:I swear if the entirety of the Iron Islands scenes is Balon scolding her daughter and then cuts to him crossing a rickety rear end bridge in the middle of a thunderstorm ambushed by Euron apropos of nothing I'm gonna flip out I haven't followed this thread in a few days and I just opened it right up to this posted Apr 30, 2016 4:42 PM
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I really think that Ramsay should've spared the baby because he needs an heir and that should've been his #1 prerogative to secure after killing his father. At least with the kid he could raise him to not usurp him.
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I wish that the Karstark guy had buried a knife between Ramsay's shoulder blades and then removed a face mask and revealed he was Roose in disguise
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May 2, 2016 05:13
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lezard_valeth posted:I actually find it the other way around. BookRoose is very unsympathethic and feared by mostly everyone. ShowRoose on the other hand seems like a very reasonable man, if sometimes an rear end in a top hat. The few plans that he made all worked spectacularly in his favour (betraying Robb Stark, betraying the Lannisters) while all the failures of said plans can be attributed to Ramsay's rash nature. But showRoose participated in the Red Wedding and is married to a Frey, and in the show what happened was known to the entire north. And showRamsay hasn't been shown killing or torturing anyone of note in the north, while also being the one who led the battle against the Ironborn and Stannis. It makes sense that houses that did not like the Starks, but also did not like the Lannisters or Freys would see Ramsay as an alternative (especially since he was at least discreet in torturing Sansa in the show). Or at least it would make more sense than bookRamsay being tolerated by anyone, including his own father, when he openly is responsible for the killing and torture of several northern lords prior to even being legitimated. Which makes this not a huge hurdle to clear.
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They're ramping up the evil on Ramsey, so I'm 100% certain he's going to die this season. So is Sansa going to be going to Castle Black? I'd actually like to see some of the Starks reunited, at least Brienne told Sansa that Arya was still alive when she saw her, and she was being very Arya. Though did she tell her about the Hound?
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In It For The Tank posted:I wish that the Karstark guy had buried a knife between Ramsay's shoulder blades and then removed a face mask and revealed he was Roose in disguise then he bends down and pulls the mask off fake roose revealing walder frey
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May 2, 2016 05:14
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If HBO had any balls and wanted to relive the glory of killing Ned all those years ago they should have just had Mel go like "oh well didn't work", burn the body, and never talk about Jon again.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I really think that Ramsay should've spared the baby because he needs an heir and that should've been his #1 prerogative to secure after killing his father. At least with the kid he could raise him to not usurp him. That would have been the smart thing to do - or he could have claimed that he had fathered the kid behind Roose's back. But I think the point is, Ramsay doesn't always do the smart thing. Shocking, I know. drunken officeparty posted:If HBO had any balls and wanted to relive the glory of killing Ned all those years ago they should have just had Mel go like "oh well didn't work", burn the body, and never talk about Jon again. Are you...under the impression that it was HBO's choice to kill off Ned? 
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May 2, 2016 05:15
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This episode was pretty good, and it even managed to make the Iron Islands somewhat compelling, so, it did a lot right. They really laid on the christ symbolism super thick with Jon Snow's resurrection, and its strangely curious they didn't even have Melisandre give a kiss of life for....the kiss of life. Whatever. Bran's bits are cool, Kings Landing was cool, even Tyrion playing with the dragons was neat. I mean, I really hope they don't go the Secret Targ route but...the avenue is open for it.
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May 2, 2016 05:18
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PostNouveau posted:Wall stuff was good, Theon realizing he can't go to the Wall was good, Robert Strong and Cersei was good, Tyrion and the dragons was good. I know this thread'll just harp on the Ramsay stuff like it's the worst thing television has ever done ever for a week, but on the whole it was a good episode. It was 4/5 good, which is legit very good. Even the Ramsay stuff isn't bad, just very bland.
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lezard_valeth posted:Yeah, the leak has been partially debunked. Nah, I want Manderly eat Ramsey. I like Rickon, I would be pretty upset if D&D&Dave Hill kill him. But I will forgive them if they let Manderly feast on Ramsey.
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whatever7 posted:Nah, I want Manderly eat Ramsey. I like Rickon, I would be pretty upset if D&D&Dave Hill kill him. But I will forgive them if they let Manderly feast on Ramsey. Manderly eats Ramsey and does the sausage thing except with Ramasy's dick
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May 2, 2016 05:24
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Majorian posted:Are you...under the impression that it was HBO's choice to kill off Ned? No but in the 15 years since being written down, nobody really gave a poo poo until HBO did it and suddenly they and GRRM are gorrillionaires. There's a ton of shows on TV, the insane hype reaction from killing the "main character" made GOT the #1 success it is now. Giving a big gently caress you and having Jon be permadead after realistically everyone 'knows' what is going to happen would capture that again a little bit. Also did I miss it or what, where is Theon going. Is he just riding off into the wilderness to die like Charlize Theron in The Road. drunken officeparty fucked around with this message at 05:26 on May 2, 2016 |
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May 2, 2016 05:24
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Well I for one am shocked, just SHOCKED, that Jon was brought back to life!
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Why would the Umbers align with Ramsay? They're supposed to be 100% Stark loyalists.
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Speaking of masks I can totally see this happening: "We had an assistant named Dave Hill," said Benioff and Weiss. "One day last summer he walked into our office and said, 'You know that Braavosi guy? The one who taught Arya in the water dancing style?' 'Yeah?' 'Well,' said Dave, 'doesn't it make sense that he'd be revealed to be Jaqen H'ghar?' Since they both refer to Arya in the same way?' 'You're right,' we said. 'That does make sense.' 'And what if during Arya's training to become a Faceless Men they reveal this, and she realise it has all been a lie and returns to Westeros were the plot is actually happening?' This year, Dave Hill is a writer on the show."
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May 2, 2016 05:26
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:Well I for one am shocked, just SHOCKED, that Jon was brought back to life! It's going to make it even better when the last episode comes along and he permadies
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May 2, 2016 05:26
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Manderly is going to be played by GRRM this season and he is going to spend all season talking about how he has this great idea for enacting revenge on the Freys and Boltons but not actually do anything.
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May 2, 2016 05:27
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drunken officeparty posted:Also did I miss it or what, where is Theon going. Is he just riding off into the wilderness to die like Charlize Theron in The Road. He said he's going home, which is why the next scene was at the Iron Islands.
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Overall it was an enjoyable episode. The Bolton stuff is stupid. Ramsey getting away with literally anything he wants forever is stupid. The only thing that was majorly foreshadowed was that Roose and Ramsey couldn't both continue to live. The writers chose the shittier, less interesting option. Smug oval office Karstark being cool and still loyal to the mad dog just because he's mad at a Stark who's been dead forever is also stupid. Theon should be freaking out that he has nowhere to go, not thinking he should go home. I'd be amused if Brienne was just like "Nope, you know too much, can't leave" and then just stabbed him, but there's no reason to think that would ever happen. Oh, and the Jon Snow scene went on for way too long. We all knew what was going to happen. Svanja posted:Ramsay demanded Walda be brought to him, even though the Meister weakly attempted to point out she had just given birth. She probably assumed Lord Bolton would be with him and she obeyed. Considering the lovely upbringing she probably had, she was doing what she thought was expected of her- obeying the men in her life. She just gave birth. It's not a question of whether or not she obeys/fears her lord enough, it's that her body just went through an incredible strain and she literally is incapable of walking just a few minutes afterwards.
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Majorian posted:That would have been the smart thing to do - or he could have claimed that he had fathered the kid behind Roose's back. But I think the point is, Ramsay doesn't always do the smart thing. Shocking, I know. I don't think Ramsay could raise a child and not think about all the inventive ways of killing it at least 5 times a day. It would be dead in a few weeks time no matter what.
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Majorian posted:That would have been the smart thing to do - or he could have claimed that he had fathered the kid behind Roose's back. But I think the point is, Ramsay doesn't always do the smart thing. Shocking, I know. Yeah he was specifically very shifty and unsure with his actions, he wasn't planning any of this. Narmi posted:Why would the Umbers align with Ramsay? They're supposed to be 100% Stark loyalists. It could be because of wildlings south of the wall, it could be a feint, it could be that Ramsay has been quietly courting the second-in-lines of Northern houses for a secret alliance, who knows at this point.
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Narmi posted:Why would the Umbers align with Ramsay? They're supposed to be 100% Stark loyalists. 50%.
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Narmi posted:Why would the Umbers align with Ramsay? They're supposed to be 100% Stark loyalists. 50%, half of them are with the Boltons so the don't execute the Greatjon and the other half are with Stannis.
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Narmi posted:Why would the Umbers align with Ramsay? They're supposed to be 100% Stark loyalists. Didn't Robb cut off that umber's head because he was a dickwad? also six years or whatever and finally I get to see jon battle rez'd. finally.
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are we supposed to act surprised when the show "reveals" R+L=J?
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El Hefe posted:are we supposed to act surprised when the show "reveals" R+L=J? Be surprised when it's Dany. All hail Preston Jacobs.
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El Hefe posted:are we supposed to act surprised when the show "reveals" R+L=J? I think most people will be at least a little surprised, this is one of the most popular shows in America and most of the people watching it haven't read the books and don't post on internet forums about it Lycus posted:Be surprised when it's Dany. All hail Preston Jacobs. the dude actually has some interesting macro takes on the series (I think the weird sci-fi thing is absolutely plausible) but the nonsense about the lemon tree is one of the most asinine things fans have cared about
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Zombies' Downfall posted:most of the people watching it haven't read the books and don't post on internet forums about it A lot of people who did neither thought Jon was coming back
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Ague Proof posted:50%, half of them are with the Boltons so the don't execute the Greatjon and the other half are with Stannis. That's true, I forgot about him. I think it was also partly because they thought Roose had the last Stark. GreenBuckanneer posted:Didn't Robb cut off that umber's head because he was a dickwad? Grey Wind bit off some of the Greatjon's fingers because he pulled a knife on Robb at dinner. But that just impressed him, the guy was the first to go "King in the North" after Ned died. Narmi fucked around with this message at 05:38 on May 2, 2016 |
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Chris James 2 posted:A lot of people who did neither thought Jon was coming back "The photogenic male lead of this show where there's at least two demonstrable ways people come back from the dead may not really be dead" is kind of different And there's ppl on my FB feed right now who were surprised by that
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El Hefe posted:are we supposed to act surprised when the show "reveals" R+L=J? It's going to be Hodor+L=J. Why else show him in the flashback?
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Narmi posted:Grey Wind bit off some of the Greatjon's fingers because he pulled a knife on Robb at dinner. That must have been written before GRRM made the Northerners care so much about guest right.
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I'm suspicious of the whole "what happened" to Hodor to make him not talk. Bran is going to watch him accidentally kill his Mom(?) lady. Also good god the kid the cast as young him is gigantic. Holy gently caress. Fake edit I just went and rewatched it and the kid is actually not that big but they did do some amazing work to make it look that way. The camera angles and especially how his clothes billow out make him look huge.
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Thinking about the books, Melisandre, Shireen and Stannis's wife are all at Castle Black, while Davos is traveling the North playing diplomat, and Stannis is getting ready for war outside of Winterfell. Pretty sure Melisandre will end up burning Shireen to resurrect Jon because Jon is now her Azor Ahai, while convincing Mrs. Stannis that it's what the Lord of Light wants, or that it will help Stannis. So the show kind of ruins Stannis's character by having him burn his own daughter, and Davos's character by having him beg Mel to resurrect Jon, someone who Davos shouldn't give that many shits about. Definitely feels like the show just has a vague checklist of major events, and they're now just going through them one by one and mixing/matching poo poo. If Book Ramsey really does kill Book Roose, there's no way it happens like what we saw tonight. I think some of what we're seeing is the equivalent of giving the Jeyne Poole storyline to Sansa. It makes no loving sense, and it messes up her character arc. Maybe Doran dies, but not by the Sand Snakes, maybe Roose dies, but not by Ramsey. Oh, and Barriston Selmy. Maybe some of these characters don't even die. Maybe they're just cutting budget by offing recurring characters and/or getting rid of actors who they (rightly or wrongly) think are a pain in the rear end. Maybe Dan and David are just sick of this show, only ever hoped to do the show up through the Red Wedding, and now would rather move on to another project. HBO wants 10 seasons. George R.R. Martin wants 10 seasons. Dan and David are the ones who want poo poo accelerated to get this show over with.
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drunken officeparty posted:I'm suspicious of the whole "what happened" to Hodor to make him not talk. Bran is going to watch him accidentally kill his Mom(?) lady. Actually I think that was young Old Nan.
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This episode did bring back an amazing and sorely missed character that we haven't seen in forever: That badass kraken fireplace.
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counterfeitsaint posted:The Bolton stuff is stupid. Ramsey getting away with literally anything he wants forever is stupid. The only thing that was majorly foreshadowed was that Roose and Ramsey couldn't both continue to live. The writers chose the shittier, less interesting option. Smug oval office Karstark being cool and still loyal to the mad dog just because he's mad at a Stark who's been dead forever is also stupid. the way I understood it, the karstark guy was inside Ramsay plan, that's why he didn't looked even a bit surprised. Probably because he wanted to follow Ramsay idea of storming Castle Black to kill Jon and Sansa and knew Roose would never allow it, Overall a good episode, quite better than the last one. Ramsay stuff wasn't has stupid as I thought it was going to be, since at least he took precautions to hide all his kinslaying. Tyrion was cool, Wun Wun was awesome, Bran was interesting, KL was kinda meh (the faith guys always looks so dumb), Arya was boring (seems like she already passed the blind training phase, with no cat warging nor anything fun), Iron Island stuff was at least fast, and Euron looks cool (but he would be cooler with the eyepatch), and finally Jon is alive again. And nothing was in the sand snakes level of lovely. This season looks better than the last already
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Away all Goats posted:He said he's going home, which is why the next scene was at the Iron Islands. That's definitely what the show wanted you to think. I'm hoping that's a stunt and "home" is Winterfell, where Theon owns up to not valuing his own life and throws his life away in a move against the Boltons. Ghost of Winterfell style.
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