Help Im Alive fucked around with this message at 20:19 on May 1, 2016

Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 21:03 on May 1, 2016

Spiritus Nox fucked around with this message at 21:40 on May 1, 2016

• Your most used fireball strength for general zoning should be LP, it has the least recovery/total execution frames, meaning you can DP reaction jumps that might have punished an HP fireball. Its slower speed also means it controls more space for more time and gives you more advantage if the opponent blocks it.
  
  • If the opponent jumps in after a fireball and you block it, you hosed up. If you have time to block, you had time to DP. Take your DP opportunities!
• HP fireball is best out of canceled normals (st.MP, cr.MP, cr.MK) since it can combo from slightly further ranges.
  
  • HP still has uses in zoning, basically when the opponent is "used" to LP fireball speed using an HP can catch them off guard, especially if they're trying to time a V-Skill
    
  • Sometimes it's good to lean on HP fireball momentarily and then switch to LP fireball, like a baseball pitcher throwing a change-up
• Statistically speaking the most common situation a fireball gets thrown is directly after another fireball. Everyone knows this whether they realize it or not, including your scrubby ranked opponent, and is extremely likely to jump after your first fireball to punish the second.
  
  • Short version: It's generally very bad to throw 2 fireballs in a row
• EX Fireballs should be used VERY sparingly, Ryu's meter is best used on super.
  
  • Only use EX Fireball when you KNOW it's going to touch (doesn't have to hit, but should at least be a block) or you KNOW you can punish what the opponent can do to avoid the fireball (jump, teleport, etc.)
    
  • Using EX Fireballs to win a fireball war is acceptable but it must be used intelligently, don't just chuck it cause you feel like you're getting overwhelmed. Use it when you think it will push through a 1 hit projectile and at least touch the opponent, this will give you enough advantage to take control briefly.
    
  • Exception to some above rules, but HP fireball directly after EX fireball is generally pretty good as long as you're not too close (you get more frame advantage from being further away), can catch them trying to jump. Especially good if Ryu is in V-Trigger.
• Special discussion about corners. In general, Ryu needs to calm his fireball game way down near the corner, whether he's the one in the corner or the one pressuring outside the corner.
  
  • If the opponent is in the corner then their best way out is generally to jump. Good players will make this guess much less often and less predictably than bad ones but they will definitely still tend to jump.
    
  • If Ryu is the one in the corner then the opponent will want to jump at some point to get in and abuse how powerful the corner is in sf4/sf5, since you can cross up or not, and do so coming down in an angle that's hard to consistently anti-air
    
  • Essentially, both sides are more likely to jump, which is the natural counter to a fireball. Solution: don't fireball, at least not without some serious consideration first. If you must fireball here I'd recommend actually using EX to maximize the chances of it working and minimizing the time they have to punish you (EX has the lowest total frames of all fireballs)

• Ryu has a good sweep, good walk speed, and a good dash; try to put him in range to whiff punish with cr.HK as often as you can. Try not to be afraid of how punishable his sweep is, it's worth the risk since it starts a LOT of Ryu's offense, especially on crush counter. Don't be afraid to spend V-Trigger activate on a sweep either if you need that knockdown and you're trying to stay safe.
  
  • After crush counter sweep you can dash forward 3 or 4 times (depending on what you want for setup after) to push their body for really good corner carry.
• Ryu can sweep fireballs out of their startup if you're fast enough, even Guile (you can also sweep him out of his V-Skill pretty easily). Sometimes you'll trade, which is in Ryu's favor, so still good!
  
• If you think you've convinced your opponent to crouch block and not push any buttons for fear of getting whiff punished try going in:
  
  • walk up or dash up throw
    
  • dash up hit confirms, starting with st.LP (3 frames), st.MP (5 frames), or b.HK (8 frames); common wisdom is to lean on the fastest normal (st.LP) and pepper in st.MP and b.HK to mix-up the delay timings to possibly catch them pressing a button
    
  • walk up cr.MK xx fireball; make sure you practice this so you can do it without accidentally DP'ing instead. Also make sure you can hit confirm this into super. You'll want to vary exactly how long you walk up before the cr.MK comes out, you're trying to give them enough time to try pressing a button but catching them with cr.MK first. This is what cr.MK is for in this game, it's not a very good poke anymore but it's a great combination frame trap/low hitting normal to catch people trying to press buttons or walk away from you in a mix-up situation.
    
  • do a normal into V-Trigger activation (cr.MK, st.MK, st.HP recommended). If you pop VT activation, these buttons give an easy hit-confirm on hit and frame advantage on block so you can continue pressure with:
    
    • walk up throw
      
    • walk up st.MP
      
    • immediate cr.MK xx charge fireball (good time to use EX here)

• Ryu's parry works best on reaction to things like Cammy divekicks, Bison devil's reverse, Laura overhead, Mika charge kick, etc.
  
• If you're going to guess parry keep in mind it works best in situations where he is at frame advantage situations of +0 (wins vs. 3 frame moves and slower, e.g. a few specials, some light attacks), -1 (4 frames and slower, e.g. most light attacks), or -2 (5 frames and slower, e.g. medium attacks, worth noting they are typically the most common buttons pressed, especially in minor advantage situations)
  
  • Moves that put Ryu in these situations, you can use these to bait mashing:
    
    • b.HK (+0)
      
    • st.HP (-1)
      
    • f.HP (-2)
• Learn what commonly used moves (if any) each character will use that put Ryu at these frame advantages, for example in the mirror the opponent Ryu is going to press st.MP a lot (just like you should) which is +2 so a parry immediately after can often work!
  
• Parry is inherently weaker as a guess vs. grapplers, they will often scoop you with command grabs without even trying specifically to beat the parry. Highly recommend keeping parry usage to reactions only vs. all grapplers.
  

• After forward throw you if you do f.HP immediately it will hit meaty if the opponent quickrises. If they don't then Ryu is safe and still has time to do another meaty on their wake up.
  
  • As above, if f.HP is blocked it's -2, making it a good time to fish with a parry or do an option select whiff punish if they try to throw (full explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha1ZschLseI)

• Literally all of Ryu's jump normals have a use:
  
  • j.LP is good air-to-air, jump back fadeaway is good anti-cross-up
    
    • Can be used as a fuzzy overhead after a blocked medium or hard jump normal vs. tall characters including Zangief, Birdie, Bison, Fang, maybe others
  • j.MP is potentially his hardest hitting anti-air (technically air-to-air) since you get follow-ups after, including super, but it must be done very early vs. the opponent's air moves
    
    • Can also function as a double overhead vs. tall characters including Zangief, Birdie, Bison, Fang, maybe others
  • j.HP hits pretty far below Ryu, is good for stuffing or trading with marginal anti-air normals (including a lot of those annoying stand jabs)
    
  • j.LK crosses-up, is probably his most useful cross-up, has a good hitbox/hurtbox combo making it awkward to anti-air in a lot of situations, leads to light hit confirm combo
    
    • Can be used as a fuzzy overhead after a blocked medium or hard jump normal vs. tall characters including Zangief, Birdie, Bison, Fang, maybe others
  • j.MK crosses-up, is a lot easier to see and block correctly than j.LK but has a much bigger and reliable hitbox, is good for touching people trying to walk under your jump. Always gives you the beefy combo of st.MP - cr.HP xx HP Shoryu (into super if you've got it) if it hits even remotely deep, cross-up or not.
    
  • j.HK farthest reaching jump normal, if you can space it so your jump just scrapes them with the toes from j.HK it's pretty hard for them to deal with, they tend to have to block it which is free gray life

• Ryu's offense is good but he isn't exactly a mix-up monster in SF5 so a lot of his damage actually comes from applying gray life and then converting it to permanent damage.
  
  • Ryu's st.MP is an insanely good button if you're close enough to use it, and usually forces enough respect that after the opponent blocks one or two of them they will remain on defense long enough for you to walk forward and keep pressing st.MP
    
    • Even if you never open them up into an actual combo after repeated touches like this, getting a whiff punish sweep or surprise cr.mk low or throw, or even a max range f.MP overhead from Ryu can convert that gray life into significant damage
      
    • Ryu's st.MK is an excellent "shimmy" button that will often convert gray life into real damage for you after a blockstring. Even better if you have V-Trigger to cancel it into further damage!
  • It's a risk that sometimes worth taking to end your blockstring with a parry-bait move (listed above) and going for the parry if it's blocked, this usually nets you the gray life and a combo's worth of damage if you guessed right.

• st.LP, cr.LP xx HP SRK xx Super (fastest start up)
  
• b.HK, st.LK xx HP SRK xx Super (strongest "normal" hit confirm)
  
• b.HK, st.LK xx LK Tatsu, Super (max range)
  
• cr.LK~cr.LP xx HP SRK xx Super (starts low, fast)
  
• cr.MK xx HP Hadoken xx Super (longest range "low" hit confirm)
  
• st.MP, cr.MP xx HP Hadoken xx Super
  
• st.MP, Super (max range, this is a hit confirm because you have time to link the Super after st.MP completely recovers, works even at the edge of st.MP range, practice this!)
  
• f.HP, cr.HP xx HP SRK xx Super
  
• f.HP xx HP SRK xx Super (medium range)
  
• f.HP, cr.MP xx LK Tatsu, Super (max range)
  
• j.MK, st.MP, cr.HP xx HP SRK xx Super (guaranteed after deep or cross-up j.MK hits, big damage)

• cr.MK xx V-Trigger, Super (low, works at max range of cr.MK)
  
• st.MK xx V-Trigger, HP SRK xx Super (st.HP instead vs longer range opponent)
  
• st.MK xx V-Trigger, Super (max range)
  
• st.HP~st.HK xx V-Trigger, LK Tatsu, Super (vs. standing only, unless st.HP hits as CC)
  
• st.HP~st.HK xx V-Trigger, HP SRK xx Super (STRICT TIMING, corner only, vs. standing only, unless st.HP hits as CC)

• CC st.HK, ~microwalk~, st.MP, cr.HP xx V-Trigger, st.HK, st.LK xx HP SRK xx Super (close range)
  
• CC st.HK, ~microwalk~, st.MP, cr.HP xx HP SRK xx Super (close range)
  
• CC st.HK, st.HK, st.LK xx HP SRK xx Super (vs. standing only)
  
• f.HP, cr.HP xx HP SRK xx Super (close range)
  
• st.MP, cr.HP xx HP SRK xx Super (short range, great damage)
  
• b.HK, st.LK xx HP SRK xx Super (medium range, medium damage)
  
• b.HK, st.LK xx LK Tatsu, Super (max range, least damage)
  
• HP SRK xx Super (fastest punish, medium range)

• MP SRK xx Super
  

• j.MP, Super
  

• Charged V-Trigger Hadoken Guard Break, dash forward, st.HK, st.LK xx HP SRK
  
• j.MP(2) xx air HK Tatsu
  
• j.MP, EX SRK
  
• f.HP, cr.HP xx EX Tatsu, EX SRK (corner only)
  
• st.HP~st.HK xx V-Trigger, LP SRK, EX SRK (corner only, vs. standing only, unless st.HP hits as CC)
  

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