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Telsa Cola posted:Maybe the people who you rely on to get from A to B should be payed correctly since yall fall apart if they decide not too????? No. They need to make the trains automated and cut the chaff. Too bad the unions will stone wall and block any changes that might make the commuters' experience better and make things more efficient. You can barely understand what the hell some conductors are saying like names of stops or other announcements. Why is that not automated? How many times has a disabled person been screwed over because of that? Can't lose those jobs! After seeing a Bart janitor using the same mop and bucket of water to clean the handrails of the escalators and stairs as the floor, I think they are being paid fine for their work. It's pretty awesome too when he smiles and says what a good job he's doing! Plus it's not like it matters. The way Bart is funded and how integral it is now pretty much guarantees apathy and not giving a gently caress in regards to service provided by its public center employees.
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fits my needs posted:No. They need to make the trains automated and cut the chaff. Too bad the unions will stone wall and block any changes that might make the commuters' experience better and make things more efficient. You can barely understand what the hell some conductors are saying like names of stops or other announcements. Why is that not automated? How many times has a disabled person been screwed over because of that? Can't lose those jobs! I've seen the (often literal) poo poo that the janitors have to clean up at BART stations, and honestly they deserve to be paid well for that work. But you know that the strike was about more than them, right? The drivers and the track maintenance workers were the main force behind it, and they have technical, safety critical jobs which are vital to the day-to-day operation of the entire Bay Area. Why shouldn't they be able to push for better/safer working conditions? The strike was an effective tactic, and if management didn't want to inconvenience the people who rely on the BART workers to get to work safely every day, then management shouldn't have tried to play hardball with the contract.
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fits my needs posted:No. They need to make the trains automated and cut the chaff. During the strike, a train under automated control hit and killed two workers, so it's kind of like both of those things happened 
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GrumpyDoctor posted:During the strike, a train under automated control hit and killed two workers, so it's kind of like both of those things happened So BART workers have trouble dealing with change? Yeah I guess cars did kill some people when they were first introduced so that means we should not try to make safer and better cars. Also, for some reason other automated train systems don't end up having similar problems.
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:I grew up in an Eichler and I gotta say, they are beautiful houses, but goddamn was the roof poorly designed. My parents have been battling leaks since they bought the house. Also, bats get in fairly often. I was in a flat roof eichler styled duplex right in that same area of Sunnyvale (Homestead/280) and that motherfucker was always leaking and every time the owner (who I knew) would send another roof crew out to scrape/re-mop it would just start leaking again in a new spot. I think they finally got it solved with the entire removal of the existing layers of poo poo and using TPO membrane/torches. gently caress that - I'm sure it's leaking again.
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lol if you think retrofitting BART with automated announcers would be free. Should we spend money upgrading track or building new lines? Nah, lets add a near worthless retrofit.
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I'm glad I now know the name of 'those weird ranch homes that look like bungalows for the elderly' Isn't the big problem with BART that it's run by a bunch of inept city government level people? It feels like every opportunity the public has to throw more money at public transit, we do, but nobody is happy (for very clear reasons).
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fits my needs posted:So BART workers have trouble dealing with change? This kind of edginess does nothing to convince people you want mutually beneficial advances, as opposed to pain for workers you despise, in case you cared. Space-Bird posted:Isn't the big problem with BART that it's run by a bunch of inept city government level people? It feels like every opportunity the public has to throw more money at public transit, we do, but nobody is happy (for very clear reasons). I assume they're motivated by the fear that no one was ever re-elected for funding services in other cities.
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Doc Hawkins posted:This kind of edginess does nothing to convince people you want mutually beneficial advances, as opposed to pain for workers you despise, in case you cared. Yeah it's almost like when a local government official's only goal is to keep your position at the cost of everything else, we get bad government services.
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If we didn't have bart drivers, who would reboot the trains?
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BART has pretty good on-time performance, relatively speaking. But it's old, it's outgrown its original design intentions, and it's regional transit operating without a regional transit authority.
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AngryBooch posted:South Pasadena. Oh, yeah SoPA is NIMBY central. Goondolences. I'm really glad there's minimal organized opposition in downtown Long Beach, which is seeing something of a building boom atm. Parking is getting beyond FUBAR though, so who knows how long that'll last.
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GrumpyDoctor posted:. But it's old, it's outgrown its original design intentions, and it's regional transit operating without a regional transit authority. Oh why'd you have the bring that up 
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Ron Jeremy posted:Oh why'd you have the bring that up Yeah, I've seen that map, but I was under the impression that it was never more than speculation. I was referring to the fact that it now carries more than twenty times as many people as was originally envisioned.
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Doc Hawkins posted:This kind of edginess does nothing to convince people you want mutually beneficial advances
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He's a big longshot, but I am going to volunteer for Emory Rodgers for Boxer's Senate seat. For those who don't know about him: https://voteforemory.com/ If you're a Sanders supporter, chances are you're gonna love this dude.
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Brodeurs Nanny posted:He's a big longshot, but I am going to volunteer for Emory Rodgers for Boxer's Senate seat. For those who don't know about him: https://voteforemory.com/ Dead man walking in Trump's America. 
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May 1, 2016 01:17
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The official state voter guide is uh... Quite a thing.
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May 1, 2016 02:38
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It's fun game to figure out which candidates might be the serious ones based only on the voter's guide.
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withak posted:It's fun game to figure out which candidates might be the serious ones based only on the voter's guide. I've almost never been let down by MORE CAPS = CRAZIER THAN.
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Remember: Star Child's the libertarian, so voting against him is generally a good starting point.
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raminasi posted:Yeah, I've seen that map, but I was under the impression that it was never more than speculation. I was referring to the fact that it now carries more than twenty times as many people as was originally envisioned. Yeah that map is totally fictional. The 1961 plan was much more restrained than it even with the extensions to Palo Alto and San Rafael.
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King Hong Kong posted:Yeah that map is totally fictional. The 1961 plan was much more restrained than it even with the extensions to Palo Alto and San Rafael. Yep. This is the real 1961 map (it did change a few times so there's a few variations, later ones showing southbay as "planned" which is ultimately what we got). We did get pretty much most of it.  Real biggest loss is that we will never never ever get a train though north SF (which is utterly abysmally serviced by muni buses instead), and even further to north bay in our life times. It's very possible and likely we'll at least see the south bay as envisioned sometime in our lives (even if it's 25+ years out I can see it happening though I'll be pretty drat close to being dead by then).
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I think after the BART extension reaches Santa Clara, the attention will seriously turn to a 2nd Transbay tube. All the plans right now have it going through Jack London Square and Alameda to Soma and continue on to Geary. Unfortunately all of us might be on Medicare or dead by the time that it is completed at this rate
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I figure traffic can only get so bad, and if the tech industry keeps growing then eventually we will see more serious money dumped into mass transit / someone will actually form a regional transit authority. So we probably won't be dead by the time BART gets significantly expanded, but it'll be a while yet.
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VikingofRock posted:I figure traffic can only get so bad Interesting idea.
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VikingofRock posted:I figure traffic can only get so bad, and if the tech industry keeps growing then eventually we will see more serious money dumped into mass transit / someone will actually form a regional transit authority. So we probably won't be dead by the time BART gets significantly expanded, but it'll be a while yet. Just a reminder how much money is being spent on HSR and it's still not going to fulfill phase one in its entirety for another 13 years... If it even gets enough funding to do it that quickly.
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Don't worry, self driving cars and personal drone shuttles will fix these problems. That's why we shouldn't fund public transit.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Just a reminder how much money is being spent on HSR and it's still not going to fulfill phase one in its entirety for another 13 years... If it even gets enough funding to do it that quickly. Pretty much. I wouldn't be surprised to see that slip further and the whole system might not be done for perhaps twice as long. The phase 2 SF Central Subway project began planning back in 2002 and it's now getting close to operational in 2019. Even if BART started just preliminary planning phase of a second transbay tube right now, it might not even be completed until 2030, and maybe more realistically since they aren't, we might not get one until 2040.
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Shbobdb posted:Don't worry, self driving cars and personal drone shuttles will fix these problems. True fact: VTA is getting defunded by their cities by people who believe exactly this.
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jeeves posted:True fact: VTA is getting defunded by their cities by people who believe exactly this. Are you confusing the news story I've linked a couple times about Sunnyvale's city council ruling? Because that was about blocking a dedicated bus rapid transit lane on El Camino Real for the reason you mentioned, not about not paying for the VTA.
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fits my needs posted:No. They need to make the trains automated and cut the chaff. Too bad the unions will stone wall and block any changes that might make the commuters' experience better and make things more efficient. You can barely understand what the hell some conductors are saying like names of stops or other announcements. Why is that not automated? How many times has a disabled person been screwed over because of that? Can't lose those jobs! Just as an aside, the new bart cars have automated station announcements and screens which show the station name.
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jeeves posted:True fact: VTA is getting defunded by their cities by people who believe exactly this. 
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Are you confusing the news story I've linked a couple times about Sunnyvale's city council ruling? Because that was about blocking a dedicated bus rapid transit lane on El Camino Real for the reason you mentioned, not about not paying for the VTA. that article is great Some council members dismissed better bus service entirely as impractical and outdated, despite the repeated success of dozens of rapid bus projects worldwide, and pointed to self-driving vehicles as a more appropriate transit solution for Silicon Valley. “Instead of getting involved in Bus Rapid Transit, let’s start thinking of new and innovative ways that make travel better for everyone,” said Davis. “I’m not against smart transportation, but smart transportation is not increased numbers of buses. World class transportation systems are not those that rely on traffic lights and roadways.” “When cars are actually autonomous and speak to each other, they will be packed more densely on the roads, and they won’t be creating that congestion,” said Whittum. “So the idea of spending huge amounts of money on concrete to do this, it’s not a futuristic 21st century idea, it’s actually a very 20th century idea.”
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Sunnyvale is the actual worst. Rich enough to have the fygm tech douchebags, poor enough for those fygm policies to have actual consequences to see,at least if you knew anyone who lived above el Camino real, that is. Otoh, garcias at fair oaks is loving delicious.
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Ahhhh yes, the old "lets just increase car capacity" plan, except modified this time its computer controlled smart cars being packed more tightly onto existing lanes instead of adding more traffic lanes. A plan that, in the history of automobile travel, has worked exactly never.
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cheese posted:Ahhhh yes, the old "lets just increase car capacity" plan, except modified this time its computer controlled smart cars being packed more tightly onto existing lanes instead of adding more traffic lanes. A plan that, in the history of automobile travel, has worked exactly never. Yes but it clearly will this time because,
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Someone just needs to write the proper app and it will all fix itself!
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