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Yeah the specifics of technology usually don't come directly from outside influences. It is language and mindset that sets this branch of hominids apart from other animals. Fire, weapons, vehicles, domestication - some inventions are prehistoric. DNA encodes one form of information, human minds and civilizations in aggregate could be seen as having information capacity in a similar fashion.
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Shbobdb posted:9Mothers9horses9eyes9 is great fun for everyone who reads this thread. Its a modern John Titor.
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Reflections85 posted:Are you talking about http://recordofevents.com/zroe%2010a.txt because that's all I'm finding after a quick Google?  I 9 guess 9 thats9 it 9
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twistedmentat posted:There is inherent racism in the Ancient Aliens thing, because it mostly focuses on non-white civilizations. There are things that talk about the Norse and the Greeks, but for some reason most of the focus is on non-whites. I wonder why? I disagree because Stonehenge is a biggie for most alien nutjob conspiracy theorists and I'm pretty sure Britons count as white. These things cover cultures all over the world and the majority of the world isn't "white", so when you're looking at it as just "Whites" and "Non-white" of course you're going to see more instances of non-white people. If you could break them all down into smaller groups I'm sure it'd be a lot more even. For example I don't see many alien theories about China, despite all the seemingly anachronistic technology they created. RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 16:46 on May 1, 2016 |
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QuarkJets posted:This is wrong; modern mixes include variations on Roman concrete that are basically the same quality (using fly ash instead of volcanic ash). They're all structurally superior to generic concrete, which is weak but also cheap. Don't hold your breath waiting for a callback form the history channel bub, they've got not use for your high fallutin' killjoy attitude.
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RagnarokAngel posted:I disagree because Stonehenge is a biggie for most alien nutjob conspiracy theorists and I'm pretty sure Britons count as white. Err yes and no, Stone Henge and ancient Druid sites were made by ye olde Celtic or earlier civilisations, they're "white" but English culture used to treat them as simple naked savages and traced their history from the Roman settlements to the Saxon tribes. Any of the other civilisations not in this narrow mix were writen off as savages and warlike thugs. A big reason for why Stone Henge became such a major source of attraction for the "its a UFO landing pad" crowd was because officially speaking stone henge was a mystery because they just couldn't grasp how such stupid people could move those stones all the way out there. This is bizarre cultural bias has been crumbling since the 19th century. So its not really a white vs non white thing in Britain, but it was very much influenced by racial chauvinism.
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Reflections85 posted:Are you talking about http://recordofevents.com/zroe%2010a.txt because that's all I'm finding after a quick Google? Nah that's not it. I found an article about it last night, lemme look again Edit here's a vice article with links to the wikia http://motherboard.vice.com/read/9mother9horse9eyes9-is-reddits-new-terrifying-mystery
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It reminds me a lot of NIN's year zero campaign, which was also good conspiracy fun.
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QuarkJets posted:This is wrong; modern mixes include variations on Roman concrete that are basically the same quality (using fly ash instead of volcanic ash). They're all structurally superior to generic concrete, which is weak but also cheap. Nah, its just they finally stumbled back into figuring out what parts made it at least long lasting if not be THE BEST as far as modern mixtures being harder but sometimes more dependent on repair and care/etc. The Romans probably didn't know exactly why some buildings used better mixtures than others, particularly when money was an issue even back then as who wants what built, how great the fly/volcanic ash was at that specific point in time and who is going to pay the labor/whoever owns the slaves, but if the Ancient Alien crowd ever thought about it they would likely have shoved in ALIENS yet again as a reason why they knew about it and likely even why we just now figured out more about it. Sorry about not checking all the details. Baka-nin posted:Err yes and no, Stone Henge and ancient Druid sites were made by ye olde Celtic or earlier civilisations, they're "white" but English culture used to treat them as simple naked savages and traced their history from the Roman settlements to the Saxon tribes. Any of the other civilisations not in this narrow mix were writen off as savages and warlike thugs. A big reason for why Stone Henge became such a major source of attraction for the "its a UFO landing pad" crowd was because officially speaking stone henge was a mystery because they just couldn't grasp how such stupid people could move those stones all the way out there. This is bizarre cultural bias has been crumbling since the 19th century. Note how some people still cling to a general Anglo-Saxson identity or act that they are the only people living on the drat isles when they're just as likely to have Celtic roots from Cornish, Bretons or Welsh. That reminds me, have any of the conspiracy crowd touched the Picts and their trippy as hell art? Crabtree fucked around with this message at 09:46 on May 2, 2016 |
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Would you call them, Pictures?
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Crabtree posted:Note how some people still cling to a general Anglo-Saxson identity or act that they are the only people living on the drat isles when they're just as likely to have Celtic roots from Cornish, Bretons or Welsh. That reminds me, have any of the conspiracy crowd touched the Picts and their trippy as hell art? In some Neo-Pagan circles, they have decided that the Picts were actually a separate, magical species (seriously, one of the major authors in the NeoPagan movement, Silver Ravenwolf, straight-up starts her biggest-selling book by saying the ancient "Picts" are obviously "Pixies"). So the fact that they existed is proof that there were these matrilineal utopian societies of magickal fae folk who were there before the evil patriarchal Christians came in and ruined everything. Never again the burning times and all that jazz. The weird pseudo-histories that come out of the modern pagan movements are pretty damned silly, but also a great example of how far some straight white cis people will do to be able to claim they are a persecuted minority.
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To be fair, a lot of early European cultures did appear to believe that other people they encountered weren't really people but actually monsters. So killing them is not only OK, it is basically required for survival.
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When I say ancient alien theory is racist, I don't mean Von Danniken sat down and went "God drat rag heads! How dare they build something better than whatever the hell country i come from did in the past!" I think its more that subtle, cultural racism that was so popular in the past where Europeans think that their civilization was clearly the best, and had always been the best, and therefor everyone else was inferior. Anything that suggested otherwise clearly must have been by someone other than the dirty foreigners. The birth of the New Age movement is the same kind of thinking; lots of talk about ancient mysteries revealed in Tibetan temples that describe Europeans from Thule or Atlantis or Hyperborea or Mu or wherever showing up and telling everyone to stop picking their noses and teach them how to light a fire. I saw birth of the New Age movement because it has its roots in really ugly Eurocentric esoteric thought that also inspired some nice people in Germany (though not as much as some people would have you believe). (yes I know Erik Van Dannikan is Swiss, he just has that accent that like Tommy Wiseau, just says "Somewhere in Europe")
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My favorite is how not racist the Thule Society was. We know Germans are the best, but history shows otherwise. What could have made this happen?
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Shbobdb posted:We know Germans are the best, but history shows otherwise. What could have made this happen? ze... ze jewz....?
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Well, yes. But rather than having racist assumptions (backwards people couldn't have built that!) The Thule society developed racist solutions (the Jews prevented us from reaching our potential!) Some members also thought there was lost German archeology that would prove they were superior, which is delightfully aspirationally Lovecraftian. "We were the ancient evils all along" Or "the ancient evil was inside us the whole time!" So wake up or click your heels -- we're back and better than ever! Off to our homeland of inner earth!
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e_angst posted:In some Neo-Pagan circles, they have decided that the Picts were actually a separate, magical species (seriously, one of the major authors in the NeoPagan movement, Silver Ravenwolf, straight-up starts her biggest-selling book by saying the ancient "Picts" are obviously "Pixies"). So the fact that they existed is proof that there were these matrilineal utopian societies of magickal fae folk who were there before the evil patriarchal Christians came in and ruined everything. Never again the burning times and all that jazz. It's been awhile since I read Conan but were the Picts in that basically written as savages who would ultimately go on to take over the world? I think it came up in AoC at some point too.
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twistedmentat posted:When I say ancient alien theory is racist, I don't mean Von Danniken sat down and went "God drat rag heads! How dare they build something better than whatever the hell country i come from did in the past!" Actually, like I pointed out earlier, he pretty much exactly did that, up to and including literally talking about how black people can only bang on drums and chuck spears.
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Switzerland posted:ze... ze jewz....? Classic Switzerland, won't commit to a side.
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We knew this was going to come up, but this is by far the worst one Like they don't even look like each other in the slightest outside of being men with eyes, noses and mouths.
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twistedmentat posted:We knew this was going to come up, but this is by far the worst one These have to be parody by now. I like that they've looped in some nonspecific antisemitism, though. That's having a real paranoid schizophrenic renaissance thanks to Trump.
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People have theorized that the Wellaware guy, besides having the "I'm into guns in a creepy way" look, has that thing that makes it hard to tell peoples faces apart.
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twistedmentat posted:We knew this was going to come up, but this is by far the worst one My favorite part is how "a little hair going down the hairline over the forehead" is now considered a defining feature. It's not even the same little curl and it's missing in other pictures.
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twistedmentat posted:People have theorized that the Wellaware guy, besides having the "I'm into guns in a creepy way" look, has that thing that makes it hard to tell peoples faces apart. I have a mild form of face blindness, and have to stick with peoples hair or jaws to identify them unless I know them well. I'd be easy pickings for the crisis actor thing if they weren't, you know, clearly insane.
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If they had to hire people to pose in pictures in crisis situations why would they hire the same people over and over aaaaaaaasa
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Data Graham posted:If they had to hire people to pose in pictures in crisis situations why would they hire the same people over and over aaaaaaaasa Crisis Actor's Union, I hear it's very powerful.
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Tias posted:I have a mild form of face blindness, and have to stick with peoples hair or jaws to identify them unless I know them well. I'd be easy pickings for the crisis actor thing if they weren't, you know, clearly insane. And also if they weren't so bad that jawlines and hair aren't going to stop them from saying two people look the same.
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If you want to feel some completely justified outrage at the conspiracy crowd then I would direct your attention to this here video of Alex Jones wherein he explains that the LGBT community has the blood of these innocent victims on their hands. He explains that this attack has been caused by the fake persecution that the LGBT community has pretended that it lives under. No, seriously, that is his justification. (He claims early in the video that this attacker killed more LGBT people than all homophobia in the United States has killed in the last 50+ years combined) I recommend a strong whiskey sours to accompany this video and heartily discourage anyone from taking the health risk of viewing it while sober. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53nxo-KQ-Sc
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He's getting fat. I hope he dies.
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Jack Gladney posted:He's getting fat. I hope he dies. The true irony would be if, upon his death, conspiracy theorists begin claiming that he can't really be dead and must have been an actor slipping away to retire the role.
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chitoryu12 posted:The true irony would be if, upon his death, conspiracy theorists begin claiming that he can't really be dead and must have been an actor slipping away to retire the role. Probably, a vocal minority of Conspiraloons have been accusing Alex of being a plant for years. It's not hard to see why.
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JFairfax posted:He's actually Bill Hicks Which isn't that far fetched because Hicks was kind of a lovely person and would totally be spouting off Truther bullshit. I keep hoping Jones will say something so bad, so reprehensible that it drives people away, but I think his audience are totally down with anything and everything he says. chitoryu12 posted:My favorite part is how "a little hair going down the hairline over the forehead" is now considered a defining feature. It's not even the same little curl and it's missing in other pictures. Yea, you look at it and go "how the hell can you think they're even remotely the same person" and its all based on really, really superficial details.
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twistedmentat posted:We knew this was going to come up, but this is by far the worst one im the teeth that in no way match but are put side to side
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I just realized the GREENBURG actor is big there so you can subtly say "JOOOOOZZZ!", because when you break down any conspiracy theory, it's always about the Jews.
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Baka-nin posted:Probably, a vocal minority of Conspiraloons have been accusing Alex of being a plant for years. It's not hard to see why. I thought it was pretty mainstream that he's disinformation. But that might be particular to the Orgonite/911/satanic conspiracies I'm partial to. Like anything else, I think it depends on which lunatics you want to hang out with.
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I think there's a rivalry going between Alex Jones and David Icke, where the followers of one accuse the other of being a plant.
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Goon Danton posted:I think there's a rivalry going between Alex Jones and David Icke, where the followers of one accuse the other of being a plant. I choose to believe that Icke's followers are accusing Jones of being a literal plant.
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