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I doubt when you go to the movies, you think "this is alright, if only it looked more like Modern Family."
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If its a romantic comedy or something, sure. Modern Family is hilarious. I think your quote would have made more sense if you picked a bad show.
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May 3, 2016 00:35
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Checkmate.
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May 3, 2016 00:40
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:If its a romantic comedy or something, sure. Modern Family is hilarious. I think your quote would have made more sense if you picked a bad show. ah geez
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May 3, 2016 00:42
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Just sayin', I've been disappointed by way more movies than I have individual episodes of Modern Family.
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May 3, 2016 00:43
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Just sayin', I've been disappointed by way more movies than I have individual episodes of Modern Family. Ah well, time to get to work on the DSM 6, I guess.
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May 3, 2016 00:45
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Ah well, time to get to work on the DSM 6, I guess. Dude might just be unknowingly walking around with uncorrected 20/400 vision.
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May 3, 2016 01:40
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Snowman_McK posted:When Marvel shoots multiple big crowd scenes where every explosion misses a person, yes. Or when they shoot a scene where a city is lifted into the sky, but there's only one family in danger and Iron Man can rescue them, yes. So youre basically saying Snyder made his film bad and dumb on purpose, to say that Marvel's movies are bad and dumb. Im good with that, we can agree on the outcome and not the intent.
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May 3, 2016 01:48
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These loving pretentious Marvel Studios assholes, including scenes where their heroes attempt to mitigate civilian casualties in their films. Saving people on screen is for retard babies.
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:These loving pretentious Marvel Studios assholes, including scenes where their heroes attempt to mitigate civilian casualties in their films. Saving people on screen is for retard babies.  if you believe that's the argument.
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May 3, 2016 01:54
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:So youre basically saying Snyder inserted an out of place line that is sharply contradicted by the imagery of the film, in order to comment on Marvel having entire scenes built around the out of place line and showing explosions miraculously missing entire crowds of people Yes
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Vintersorg posted:
It's hyperbolic, making fun of a page of bitching about Marvel having evacuation scenes that are too bloodless for CineD's tastes, with bonus points for spinning a common complaint about BvS into a hidden strength since we all know Snyder doesn't make mistakes, he just incorporates subtle satire. I'm the first to admit Marvel movies have plenty of flaws, AoU more than most, but Captain America standing on a bridge protecting civvies from death robots isn't one of them. This is ridiculous.
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May 3, 2016 02:04
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how the gently caress are you people still arguing about this, STOP IT
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Me, after watching an action movie, any action movie at all: Well I certainly hope nobody got hurt.
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HIJK posted:how the gently caress are you people still arguing about this, STOP IT What do u want to talk about?
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May 3, 2016 02:18
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Detective Dog Dick posted:Me, after watching an action movie, any action movie at all: Well I certainly hope nobody got hurt. Aw geez I sure hope the fire department had a safety net ready for Hans!!
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May 3, 2016 02:37
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Dude might just be unknowingly walking around with uncorrected 20/400 vision. A god amongst ants.
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May 3, 2016 02:39
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Wheeee posted:Aw geez I sure hope the fire department had a safety net ready for Hans!! It's okay, the cops in the APC all made a full recovery. They had ice cream. It's Marvel wanting to have their cake and eat it too. Cities get wrecked, but it's okay, we made sure no one got hurt. It was cataclysmic, but fine, don't worry. The sanitised first Avengers movie is still the worst offender in the series, with crowds of people being missed by volleys of death lasers. It's one thing to only hint at the casualties (honestly, that's fine, I'm not asking for them to be graphically blown to pieces) it's another to visually state they didn't happen. Then Age of Ultron pumps the brakes on the villain's plan so they can get people out. It's not that they did it, it was how. It was a clunky scene inserted between two other scenes. Blend them. It was symptomatic of the whole movies incredibly clunky structure.
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May 3, 2016 02:47
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Cities being destroyed costs money. It's bad.
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CelticPredator posted:Cities being destroyed costs money. It's bad. Confirming SMG's theory that Stark represents capitalism and is the villain.
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Rurea posted:My friend and I laughed out loud when Bruce Wayne has to call his VP or whoever and tell him to evacuate the building while every employee is staring slackjawed out the window at the giant fuckoff death machine that is laying waste to the city and inching closer to them every second. He doesn't HAVE to. He's just checking to make sure that everyone has left or is leaving. And he's doing it in a nice but straightforward way. Like, when the twin towers fell, they didn't evacuate buildings15 city blocks away. Those buildings are also pretty closed systems. No one's gonna fuckin' know that another building fell two minutes ago, or that the destruction is hopping its way towards them. And when they do see poo poo going down, they probably don't know what the gently caress is going on, so they're looking out their windows thinking 'what the gently caress is this poo poo?' and thinking that it's probably safer to be inside their building than outside it. He obviously cares about them after a fashion, so why wouldn't he call to make sure they are safe, or to update them with further information since he's got a better perspective at ground level?
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May 3, 2016 03:00
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But people DID die. poo poo DOES get destroyed. That's, like, made clear in the trailers of the newest movie. It's part of the basic premise of Daredevil, for crying out loud. It's sanitized in the sense the movie doesn't show them getting mowed down, I guess, but it does happen. The story doesn't pretend it doesn't. The Avengers taking time to save the lives of those that DIDN'T isn't an effort to sanitize the genre, it's them indulging a part of it, because that's something superheroes do.
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Apparently starting with Doctor Strange Marvel isn't top-down micromanaging the movies anymore? If that's the case we may actually get some interesting movies using Marvel IPs, given how relatively great the first seasons of Daredevil and Jessica Jones were in contrast to the MCU films.
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TFRazorsaw posted:But people DID die. poo poo DOES get destroyed. That's, like, made clear in the trailers of the newest movie. It's part of the basic premise of Daredevil, for crying out loud. quote:It's sanitized in the sense the movie doesn't show them getting mowed down, I guess, but it does happen. The story doesn't pretend it doesn't. quote:The Avengers taking time to save the lives of those that DIDN'T isn't an effort to sanitize the genre, it's them indulging a part of it, because that's something superheroes do. Snowman_McK posted:Then Age of Ultron pumps the brakes on the villain's plan so they can get people out. It's not that they did it, it was how. It was a clunky scene inserted between two other scenes. Blend them. It was symptomatic of the whole movies incredibly clunky structure. If you're not going to read it once I'm not going to type it twice.
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Hat Thoughts posted:What do u want to talk about? I like making fun of Ike Perlmutter for being a rich loser with no friends, let's do that instead
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HIJK posted:I like making fun of Ike Perlmutter for being a rich loser with no friends, let's do that instead thats not a movie!!!
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quote:"Tune in next time as we finally acknowledge the consequences we refused to even imply." What do you need then? Bodies being hit by laser blasts and crumbling to dust? Shots of people falling as buildings crumple? I think most audiences are capable of rubbing two brain cells together. Heck, I was watching Iron Man 3 the other day; the bombing at the beginning of that isn't gratuitous, but you don't need it spelled out for you that other people besides Happy got hurt during it. But either way, you're gonna be disappointed in a lot of superhero movies if you need the numerous, active, on-screen generation of corpses for proof that people are getting hurt.
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TFRazorsaw posted:What do you need then? Bodies being hit by laser blasts and crumbling to dust? Shots of people falling as buildings crumple? I think most audiences are capable of rubbing two brain cells together. Heck, I was watching Iron Man 3 the other day; the bombing at the beginning of that isn't gratuitous, but you don't need it spelled out for you that other people besides Happy got hurt during it. Please read what I wrote. The answers are actually there, or in Iron Man 3, which you cited.
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May 3, 2016 03:23
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Godzilla '14 did a great job of this and wasn't tasteless in showing mountains of bodies.
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TFRazorsaw posted:What do you need then? Bodies being hit by laser blasts and crumbling to dust? Shots of people falling as buildings crumple? I think most audiences are capable of rubbing two brain cells together. Heck, I was watching Iron Man 3 the other day; the bombing at the beginning of that isn't gratuitous, but you don't need it spelled out for you that other people besides Happy got hurt during it. No one is saying this. And he's specifically talking about the Avengers movies.
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quote:Please read what I wrote. The answers are actually there, or in Iron Man 3, which you cited. I really don't know what you want me to say. I and most people assumed people actually died in the Chitauri attack. Hell, the biggest complaint about CW I heard was that Marvel seemed to be lowballing the number, not that they implied it happened at all. You guys seem to be having a problem realizing with the first Avengers very few else did. I will agree that AoU's final battle is clunky and weirdly paced. But I don't think the saving people part was artificial either, so I dunno what to tell you there. Just that Whedon bounces from one idea to the other too much. quote:No one is saying this. And he's specifically talking about the Avengers movies. It felt like we were talking about the Marvel films' approach to violence as a whole.
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The point of making a point of saving civilians is the dream of clean warfare--only the badguys die. And if some civilians die, well, we did our best. But surely at a certain point it would be better to declare an open city.
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TFRazorsaw posted:I really don't know what you want me to say. I and most people assumed people actually died in the Chitauri attack. Hell, the biggest complaint about CW I heard was that Marvel seemed to be lowballing the number, not that they implied it happened at all. You guys seem to be having a problem realizing with the first Avengers very few else did. We're shown, over and over, in the film, that they didn't. Barrages of shots come down into crowded streets. Every single shot misses. Even ones that hit the ground and explode have people inches away run away unhurt. Even people who get knocked down by the explosion get straight back up and keep running. Again, I don't need people blown into bloody chunks, there's lots of other ways to do it (Godzilla is a good example, but I was thinking of Independence Day) but the film doesn't imply casualties. It specifically states, in its actual text, not dialogue in a connected TV show, that it was all property damage. That's my problem with the scene. I'm fine with implication, but the text actively contradicts what you're saying is implied.
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so because we see a few people avoid disaster, that means EVERYONE did? That leviathan crashing through a building, that Chitauri air bike careening and crashing into the side of one, all that other stuff, that's wholly meaningless, because a few onscreen extras managed to avoid getting hurt?
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TFRazorsaw posted:so because we see a few people avoid disaster, that means EVERYONE did? That leviathan crashing through a building, that Chitauri air bike careening and crashing into the side of one, all that other stuff, that's wholly meaningless, because a few onscreen extras managed to avoid getting hurt? Everyone we see avoids disaster. Every single person. It's not a few onscreen extras, it's every onscreen extra.
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It's all good I guess, it just lacks the balls of like Transformers 3. I don't think MoS had too many civilians exploding (although there were some) but there was a lot more explicit 9/11 imagery. I mean, I don't think it worked against the movie exactly--part of the reason it made 1.7 trillion dollars was because of how frothy the whole thing was. But arguably AoU is what happens when the Avengers goes too far.
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Snowman_McK posted:Everyone we see avoids disaster. Every single person. It's not a few onscreen extras, it's every onscreen extra. Just like the majority of movies of this type, outside of Michael Bay and his destruction porn. I just. I literally never thought about this thread argued about it. I assumed people died.
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TFRazorsaw posted:Just like the majority of movies of this type, outside of Michael Bay and his destruction porn. I just. I literally never thought about this thread argued about it. I assumed people died. Aside from Man of Steel, Batman Vs Superman, all of Nolan's movies, Iron Man 3, Thor 2, Batman and Batman Returns, you're right. I can't think of any other film that goes contains a shot as convoluted as the ones where the chitauri strafe streets without hitting anyone. Remember, those are not simple scenes to set up They don't happen by accident. Everyone needs to know what they're doing, and be in the right place, or extras will be getting hurt for real. They probably all had quite specific instructions. And none of those instructions were "stay down, you were killed by the aliens." If you've never thought about it, is there another reason why you're so adamant that you are right?
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Can you point out to me where the dead extra people are in MoS? My memory isn't exactly the best, so I need some direction if I'm gonna be able to respond to that.
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TFRazorsaw posted:Can you point out to me where the dead extra people are in MoS? My memory isn't exactly the best, so I need some direction if I'm gonna be able to respond to that. No, you don't.
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