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People probably said that about primary school before it was compulsory. Of course it's going to be wet nurse for the dole.
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Just caught up on the overnight posts and have to say: LibertyCat and EvilElmo, in the interest of debate I'm not saying don't post but jesus christ do you both have some awful opinions.
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# ? May 3, 2016 01:45 |
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7/11 still being poo poo.quote:He says he received a flat wage of $13 an hour for working nights and no penalties for weekends or public holidays. $200,000 fine for one 7/11 quote:Harmandeep Singh Sarkaria, who owns and operates the Blacktown 7-Eleven fuel outlet, underpaid two Pakistani staff $49,426 and routinely made false entries to the head office payroll system about the number of hours they had worked, the Fair Work Ombudsman found.
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# ? May 3, 2016 01:46 |
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Two things I'm thankful for: 1. Putting LibertyCat on ignore 2. Adelaide United winning the A-League so today's Advertiser has them on the cover rather than wanking over Scott Morrison. If this budget is deliberately harsh then it's not going to help Scott Morrison's PM chances, even though he seems to be the anointed one if Turnbull goes again.
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# ? May 3, 2016 01:49 |
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Scotty from the Shire has his finger on the pulse of what's popular with white people I reckon
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# ? May 3, 2016 01:54 |
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Treasurer Scott Morrison will unveil a suite of multinational tax avoidance measures, including a diverted profits tax - commonly known as a "Google tax" - designed to raise billions of dollars over four years and head off claims he is only cutting taxes for business and the wealthy. A new unit within the Australian Tax Office will also be handed more resources and staff to crack down on multinational tax avoidance. Stronger protections for whistleblowers who provide information about artificial tax structures are also in prospect. The government will also adopt Labor's tobacco tax hike of 12.5 per cent per year for four years - as foreshadowed by Fairfax Media last month - which according to the Parliamentary Budget Office will raise $3.8 billion over four years, and $47.7 billion over 10 years. But in a major blow to the opposition, Treasury modelling of the tobacco tax hike - which will be included in the budget papers - has called into question Labor's claim the increase will pay for its funding promises, finding that it will only raise $2.3 billion over four years, and $28.2 billion over 10 years. That, in effect, blows a $19.5 billion hole in the opposition's policy costings on election eve and will put pressure on the opposition to find additional savings or raise extra revenue. Late on Monday night, Labor treasury spokesman Chris Bowen accused the government of a "desperate attempt to cover for the fact the government will be adopting, in full, Labor's policy on tobacco excise". He conceded the revenue assumptions would be updated and stressed it had never been tied to Labor's school funding plans. The trio of new multinational tax avoidance measures build on the Coalition's first set ofmultinational anti-avoidance laws, which was passed last December and will raise an estimated $700 million in the first year through stopping companies artificially structuring themselves to move profits to low tax countries. Taken together, government sources said they expected the two tranches to raise more money than Labor's competing tax avoidance laws, which are designed to raise $2 billion over four years. The changes mean both major parties go into the election advocating a crackdown on multinational tax avoidance, but the similarities do not end there. The Coalition's tightened superannuation concessions are unlikely to blunt an attack from Labor, which is gearing up for an assault on the pre-election budget as a boon for the well-off, while giving nothing to the majority of low and middle-income earners. Fairfax Media revealed on Monday that acompany tax cut would be introduced in the budget, while changes to the second top tax bracket of 37¢ in the dollar are also expected, as is an end to the deficit repair levy imposed in 2014 on the highest income earners. Other measures include an extra $1.2 billion for schools, $2.9 billion for health, additional funding for corporate regulator ASIC and a possible extension of the $20,000 instant asset write-off for small business is in prospect. The government is expected to argue that between tightening super tax concessions for the wealthy and its multinational tax crackdown, its budget will meet Mr Turnbull's stated aim of promoting fairness, while also stimulating jobs and growth. Also in the budget is a replacement scheme for Labor's Low Income Superannuation Contribution scheme, which pays up to $500 to the accounts of people earning under $37,000 a year. The government still intends to wind up that scheme but, in a change of heart, will now replace it with another benefit, which a source said would remove the cost-penalty to the low paid when they pay income into superannuation accounts. This is expected to be beneficial to low-paid workers, the majority of whom are women. In Parliament on Monday, the opposition attacked the government over what it said were plans to cut taxes for multinationals and for the top 1 per cent of earners while leaving workers earning less than $80,000 a year out in the cold. "Data from the Australian Tax Office shows that four out of five Tasmania workers earn less than $80,000 a year. So why is the Prime Minister giving large multinationals a tax cut at the same time as leaving four out of five Tasmanian workers with absolutely nothing?" shadow treasurer Chris Bowen asked. But Mr Turnbull fired back that the budget would be "responsible, fair and prudent" and would outline changes to the tax system, to make it "more sustainable, fairer and set us up for the 21st century for those great economic opportunities that await us". Mr Morrison hammered home the point about fiscal rectitude and that "this is not a time to be throwing money around: you have to spend money wisely, you have to target it and the ultimate test is will it drive jobs and growth. We'll afford the things that need to be afforded in health and education and we have made our commitments plain there." On Sunday, Mr Morrison had said the budget would offer tax relief for "people out there earning average wages"; he clarified on Monday that "the average full-time earnings in Australia is $80,000". Tax stats from 2013-14 show there were 9,712,293 Australians with taxable income and 7,187,104 of them earned less than $80,000. The multinational tax avoidance measures have been developed over the course of the last year after Australian Treasury officials went to Britain to work with their counterparts and understand how that country implemented the so-called Google tax. Mr Morrison was handed a report by his officials in February that set out options for tackling multinational tax avoidance. In Britain, the Google tax targets multinational companies that avoid paying tax by shifting thier profits to lower taxing countries, in that case Ireland. In Australia, numerous companies have been identified as using so-called "marketing hubs" such as Singapore to reduce their taxable profits in Australia. And for the first time, the budget will put actual dollar figures on how much will be raised via the first and second tranche of tax avoidance measures.
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# ? May 3, 2016 01:56 |
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Fiscal rectitude
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# ? May 3, 2016 02:04 |
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Well you know you are living in bizzaro world when this guy is front page as a 'fixer'. As I said yesterday it is looking more and more like this is the strategy they are taking to the election. "We are the only safe hands!". Note the major play being given to an alledged 20 Billion dollar shortfall in the smoking taxation policy the LNP stole from the ALP. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-03/tobacco-excise-hike-confirmed-as-ahead-of-election-budget/7377936 quote:Budget 2016: Tobacco excise hike confirmed as Scott Morrison prepares to deliver election budget AM By political reporters Naomi Woodley and Eliza Borrello Updated 19 minutes ago So what's supposedly in the fixers budget? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-28/budget-2016-what-we-know/7365762 quote:Budget 2016: What we know so far By political reporters Stephanie Anderson, Francis Keany and Dan Conifer Updated about an hour ago So it has all but been announced that the election strategy is "We are better economic managers". Yeah we could tell by the floppy shoes and clown noses. So innovative and agile, in fact, that pinching the oppositions entire economic plan is the way forward. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-02/matthewson-libs-to-play-the-imitation-game-in-budget-2016/7374640 quote:Libs to play the imitation game in budget 2016 OPINION By Paula Matthewson Posted Mon at 8:38am tl;dr The LNP are about to lie their way to an easy election win and may god have mercy on our souls. A first and final plea for the new month. Please try something new and don't respond to the trolls. Go on. See if it makes a difference. I once thought that slamming my balls in the desk draw every ten minutes was a way to reduce my blood pressure but then I stopped and the results were amazing.... BCR posted:Despite all the past actions of the Americans, China are being such shitheads, that America is seen as a necessary and positive player by Vietnam, Phillipines, etc
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Can't even rely on the Liberal party for cheaper cigs these days. [edit Cartoon posted:I have read plenty about China and the South China Sea. I have already agreed that China are being poo poo heads. I again ask you. Why do we have to choose between the US and China? And if we did...The US are absolutely worse on any metric than China (Iraq, Panama, Cuba, I could literally go on for pages) This is insane. ] open24hours fucked around with this message at 02:25 on May 3, 2016 |
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Well, because China is only interested in one on one dialogue where it can bully the smaller countries into submission leading to the country's involved (Vietnam, Phillipines, etc) acting collectively with the US to counter that. So Australia ends up defacto on the US side, because the US wants to use dialogue and international forums to reach a settlement and China does not.
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Cartoon posted:I have read plenty about China and the South China Sea. I have already agreed that China are being poo poo heads. I again ask you. Why do we have to choose between the US and China? And if we did...The US are absolutely worse on any metric than China (Iraq, Panama, Cuba, I could literally go on for pages) The US are all about shoot first and ask questions later. The US are using (And therefore magnifying) China's activities in the region (Which incidently is at least close to China) as a way to project their already considerable influence in the region. Call me paranoid but the US getting involved isn't likely to lead to hugs and puppies. China are poo poo heads, the US are poo poo lords by standing behind either one of them we are making our selves poo poo heads/lords by proxy. How about we don't and instead encourage dialogue through the available forums. A dialogue we can not honestly enter into while we are a proxy poo poo head/lord. extremely lomarf
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# ? May 3, 2016 02:38 |
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All the more reason to significantly increase our defence spending and separate entirely from such international disputes/conflicts.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-03/dutton-says-asylum-seekers-encouraged-to-self-harm-by-advocates/7378938quote:Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has hit out at "advocates and others" who he believes are pressuring asylum seekers to self-harm. Can we get some mashed potato over here please?
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# ? May 3, 2016 02:50 |
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The thing is that China sees itself as a great power and after a century of humiliation restoring it's rightful place in the world. Trying to stand up to Chinese assertions in the SCS/the 9 dash line is a balancing act because, domestically, the CCP can't lose face by giving in. So doing freedom of navigation ops may end up being counterproductive because China then escalates by putting in an air defence identification zone.
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# ? May 3, 2016 02:51 |
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it would be tragic imo if dutton was burnt alive
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# ? May 3, 2016 02:54 |
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It's really disgusting that "advocates" would encourage people to self harm just to further their own pathetic agendas
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Negligent posted:It's really disgusting that "advocates" would encourage people to self harm just to further their own pathetic agendas It would be for sure. Is there any evidence to suggest this is the case though?
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# ? May 3, 2016 02:58 |
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Come on, who is going to take Negligent's bait?
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open24hours posted:Can't even rely on the Liberal party for cheaper cigs these days. BBJoey posted:extremely lomarf Don't be shy guys, give us the benefit of your superior grasp of geopolitics then. I've got no hope that open even understands what Cartoon wrote, but BBJoey is usually more insightful. BCR posted:Well, because China is only interested in one on one dialogue where it can bully the smaller countries into submission leading to the country's involved (Vietnam, Phillipines, etc) acting collectively with the US to counter that. Australia is defacto US because we sign up to everything they say and have their bases on our soil. It didn't just happen because China is being mean to the locals. All this "oh noes we have to pick sides", the last time I looked, I didn't see India rushing to one side or the other. But then they're a bit more grown-up than us as a nation, even though they're half our age. Painting the US like good international citizens is just hilariously one-eyed. Very lazy of you BCR, you're usually better than this. Negligent posted:The thing is that China sees itself as a great power and after a century of humiliation restoring it's rightful place in the world. Trying to stand up to Chinese assertions in the SCS/the 9 dash line is a balancing act because, domestically, the CCP can't lose face by giving in. So doing freedom of navigation ops may end up being counterproductive because China then escalates by putting in an air defence identification zone. How is it possible that Negligent is showing you geniuses up? Almost like he did history in school or something useless like that, enabling him to have some background on current events.
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# ? May 3, 2016 03:04 |
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I know that when someone tells me to kill my are self I take that on board and give it the weight and consideration it deserves.
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ewe2 posted:Don't be shy guys, give us the benefit of your superior grasp of geopolitics then. I've got no hope that open even understands what Cartoon wrote, but BBJoey is usually more insightful. Well, why don't you tell us why it's a good idea? ewe2 posted:All this "oh noes we have to pick sides", the last time I looked, I didn't see India rushing to one side or the other. But then they're a bit more grown-up than us as a nation, even though they're half our age. Painting the US like good international citizens is just hilariously one-eyed. Very lazy of you BCR, you're usually better than this. open24hours fucked around with this message at 03:11 on May 3, 2016 |
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I'll stop posting here for as long as Negligent shuts up about
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ewe2 posted:
please do not mischaracterise my illustrious shitposting career My main objection is to what I perceive (perhaps incorrectly) as a 'US are jerks so China should be allowed to be jerks as well' equivocation. US foreign policy is an utter nightmare and will become worse when Hillary is elected next year, but that doesn't mean every position they take is worthy of scorn by association. The Iranian negotiations, for example, were a huge success, and my (admittedly ill-informed) understanding of the South China Sea tensions is that the US is on the side of reason. There are definitely issues to be argued with tactics employed by the US on this issue but the strategy is fairly sound, I feel. now look what you've made me done I've gone and effort posted, gently caress
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# ? May 3, 2016 03:12 |
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Bill Shorten will be the next Prime Minister
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BBJoey posted:it would be tragic imo if dutton was burnt alive I tried to roast some potatoes in coals once and burnt them pretty bad. That's sorta the same thing, right?
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Anidav posted:Bill Shorten will be the next Prime Minister
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You can post that gif all you like. shorten has improved considerably in public speaking since then.
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Zenithe posted:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-03/dutton-says-asylum-seekers-encouraged-to-self-harm-by-advocates/7378938 Maybe dutton should have another moss review, the palid little piece of dog poo poo
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Anidav posted:You can post that gif all you like. shorten has improved considerably in public speaking since then.
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ewe2 posted:Australia is defacto US because we sign up to everything they say and have their bases on our soil. It didn't just happen because China is being mean to the locals. All this "oh noes we have to pick sides", the last time I looked, I didn't see India rushing to one side or the other. But then they're a bit more grown-up than us as a nation, even though they're half our age. Painting the US like good international citizens is just hilariously one-eyed. Very lazy of you BCR, you're usually better than this. The US are not saints, in the South China sea dispute they are clear water better international citizens than China in this one theatre. India is picking sides. The US and non chinese side. quote:India is set to participate in a multinational maritime exercise in the strategically important South China Sea quote:India and the United States are in talks to help each other track submarines in the Indian Ocean, military officials say, a move that could further tighten defense ties between New Delhi and Washington as China steps up its undersea activities. quote:India, Japan and the United States will hold joint naval exercises each year, Indian government sources said, as the three countries kicked off the first such drills in the Bay of Bengal in eight years, a move likely to concern China. BCR fucked around with this message at 03:37 on May 3, 2016 |
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Doesn't calling something a freedom of navigation exercise sort of defeat the purpose of a freedom of navigation exercise?
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It makes the Chinese look bad if something happens to the ship that loudly and clearly announced what its doing, peacefully and in international waters. It also is a visible sign of support for non Chinese govts
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BCR posted:It makes the Chinese look bad if something happens to the ship that loudly and clearly announced what its doing, peacefully and in international waters. Right, but wouldn't you be better off not provoking the reaction and hoping they either let it go through without issue, or interfere anyway at which point you are acting from a stronger position to criticise them?
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# ? May 3, 2016 03:45 |
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But you see the Chinese have mastered the art of provocation. They send fishing boats and coast guard vessels to disputed territories not warships so as not to provoke a military response.
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# ? May 3, 2016 03:51 |
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Why are the Australian population not just happy with murder and torture by proxy, but want more of it?
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# ? May 3, 2016 03:54 |
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Not sure, maybe ask refugee "advocates"
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https://twitter.com/a_rigby/status/727328470817075200
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open24hours posted:Well, why don't you tell us why it's a good idea? Thought you'd chicken out, I didn't say anything was a good idea. But: being a yes-man for the US definitely isn't. China will do what it wants to do and other than a lot of macho yelling and screaming nothing will change that. Maybe you feel they don't have a right to flex their muscles but given their treatment from the West and Japan in the last two centuries I'm frankly surprised there aren't more nuclear craters. The degree of side Australia takes with the US will have repercussions. On the plus side, the US is emboldened to talk up poo poo and some of our neighbours might like that. But no one is under the illusion we're anything but US lapdogs. Of course when the US charges in like a bull at a gate and this worries the same neighbours, that yes-man position won't look as good. we may not depend on them economically, but it's the political barriers to further integration into Asia we might rue. And we need China economically more than we need the US. Shouldn't we worry more about China thinks, or don't we need all those export dollars when they flex those muscles? Why didn't we go for the Japanese sub contract for instance, open? We have a finer line to tread than just echoing whatever the imperialist US running dog says. This is diplomacy, I don't expect you to understand it. Re your second hilarious comment. India is a good deal more mature as a diplomatic country than Australia because they took the position of independence from all sides from the start of their nationhood, not because they have a bunch of people, oh and started from a much weaker economic base than we did. Somehow, they owe less even to their former colonial masters than we do, and have not had to suck up to the US either. As an Asian country they get more respect from the region than we do, they are part of international Asian treaties and groups that we are barred from, and generally show us up in diplomatic terms. We should be aspiring to be more like them but we're far too comfortable being a US lapdog, and that's how the region sees us. BBJoey posted:My main objection is to what I perceive (perhaps incorrectly) as a 'US are jerks so China should be allowed to be jerks as well' equivocation. US foreign policy is an utter nightmare and will become worse when Hillary is elected next year, but that doesn't mean every position they take is worthy of scorn by association. The Iranian negotiations, for example, were a huge success, and my (admittedly ill-informed) understanding of the South China Sea tensions is that the US is on the side of reason. There are definitely issues to be argued with tactics employed by the US on this issue but the strategy is fairly sound, I feel. China is reacting to its sense of nationalism after a couple of centuries being everyone's bitch. It's not going to be pretty. I deplore their heavy-handedness, but I'm not so stupid as to think they're going to stop if threatened. All the "naval exercises" are just bluster, but they're alo diplomacy. Unfortunately the US thinks it has a right to tell China what it can and cannot do, and its a fundamentally broken strategy, guaranteed to annoy China and make it even more determined to push smaller countries around to show the US it doesn't have the power it think it does. I think behind the scenes many people on both sides of this issue agree China will generally get what it wants, but it never does well to say so aloud. If China wants the South China Sea, it's going to get it, full stop short of a major war that everyone is trying to avoid. I agree, Hilary is a hawk and could well be tempted to put her foot in it, she has a very close association with the armed forces. But there is no "side of reason", the strategy is about US feelings of international relevance more than anything else. It's been poking and prodding the Japanese to be more self-reliant in its defence, for example and of course the prospect of an arms race is publically deplored (and privately welcomed). I expect a good many decades of yelps and pantomime horror and not a lot of serious action however. My point is that whatever the US position, its Australia's win or loss how we tread that diplomatic line. BCR posted:The US are not saints, in the South China sea dispute they are clear water better international citizens than China in this one theatre. Two of your links clearly indicate India's main concern is its own waters and the other is being a good Asian citizen. Oh, and saving the US time and money tracking subs for them, that'll avoid the US wanting a loving base somewhere nearby to "help" with the China "problem". That's really picking sides, yeah. It's never simply a matter of being a "good citizen" either, there's always self-interest involved.
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# ? May 3, 2016 04:15 |
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Hmm they still don't know how the internet works.
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ewe2 posted:Thought you'd chicken out, I didn't say anything was a good idea. Come on man, you're better than this. ewe2 posted:And we need China economically more than we need the US. Shouldn't we worry more about China thinks, or don't we need all those export dollars when they flex those muscles? Why didn't we go for the Japanese sub contract for instance, open? I don't know, you tell me?
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