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I bet people out there are designing businesses right now with the sole purpose of running off $4 an hour dole slaves.
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Zenithe posted:Hey so if you have a business that has roles that require minimal training, is there any reason revealed so far as to why you wouldn't just cycle through WFTD folks as you can both get a once off government bonus and presumably pay them less than employing a personal normally? Nothing mentioned yet
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Anidav posted:I bet people out there are designing businesses right now with the sole purpose of running off $4 an hour dole slaves. Too bad Energy Efficient Homes' insulation program is long gone, they could have doubled down pretty hard.
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May 3, 2016 12:35
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Hun running coalition ads
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Recoome posted:Hun running coalition ads "Andrew Bolt what a fraud" - I agree
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May 3, 2016 12:39
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Looking forward to all the "Australia Needs Turnbull" articles in the Murdoch press.
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May 3, 2016 12:40
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kirbysuperstar posted:Looking forward to all the "Australia Needs Turnbull" articles in the Murdoch press. And Fairfax. Murdoch just want a conservative. Fairfax love Turnbull tory.
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May 3, 2016 12:47
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Okay somebody tell me if I'm wrong/crazy regarding the business tax cuts. For the local small-then medium-then any businessperson, because of dividend imputation/personal services attribution/div 7A (*chortle*), the local businessperson will pay a top up rate to hit the proper (higher) marginal rate. Because the individual brackets as largely unchanged, tax paid by the local entrepreneur will be largely unchanged.* For the multinational not in the sights of *yeah I know about using trusts to split income
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May 3, 2016 12:51
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Birdstrike posted:Okay somebody tell me if I'm wrong/crazy regarding the business tax cuts. My team of in-house experts agrees, but says that's assuming profits are distributed? (I might have lost something in translation)
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May 3, 2016 12:57
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This navy bloke on House Rules is a bit of a butthole.
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Zenithe posted:Hey so if you have a business that has roles that require minimal training, is there any reason revealed so far as to why you wouldn't just cycle through WFTD folks as you can both get a once off government bonus and presumably pay them less than employing a personal normally? None that we've been told! The internship bullshit's another of those great unemployment policies that gently caress the unemployed over twofold: not only is their prime jobseeking time being consumed for a pittance, but the faux-work the business is getting basically for free is taking the place of what someone would actually be paid a living wage to do normally. To add insult to injury, this role being disintegrated to be done by Newstart interns is basically required to be exactly the sort of entry-level job those jobseekers would have been applying to anyway. This policy is as backwards and destructive as they come.
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May 3, 2016 13:11
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They already do abuse those kinds of schemes. Places like Macca's take grants for retail training.
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May 3, 2016 13:22
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BORDER FORCE TAX FORCE WORK BY FORCE
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Doctor Spaceman posted:My team of in-house experts agrees, but says that's assuming profits are distributed? can't argue with that
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May 3, 2016 13:27
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bill shorten currently in focus groups trying to find a way to say "they nicked our policies" without sounding like the whiny baby that he is
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May 3, 2016 13:28
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The current price for a ticket from Sydney International to Phnom Penh is $479
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Ignimbrite posted:The current price for a ticket from Sydney International to Phnom Penh is $479 Can we get Negligent on AirAsia?
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Negligent posted:if a business gets paid $1,000 to hire you, you'd have to be a complete fuckup to not get the job The $1000 bonus is for the initial $200/fortnight internship, not for a job.
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May 3, 2016 13:48
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:The $1000 bonus is for the initial $200/fortnight internship, not for a job. Yeah, let's reiterate: they get $1000 dollars for every intern they hire. Which they then pay at a rate where it takes them a month to start losing money, provided they weren't benefiting from having a worker they payed drat near gently caress-all. Under this scheme, presuming you had an entry-level job to farm out like this that didn't need too much training, by far the most profitable thing to do is to never actually hire any of these people, but keep getting new interns, each one coming with a new $1k bonus.
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May 3, 2016 13:52
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yes, and after that the employer gets a subsidy of $6500 - $10,000, so I stand by my point that you would have to be a complete fuckup for the employer to give up $7500-$11,000 of free money
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Virginia owns a café in a busy shopping centre. She has thought about taking on another waiter but is concerned about introducing an unknown person into her well-functioning team. Virginia hears about the new internship initiative and contacts her local jobactive provider to arrange a placement. She is introduced to Miles, who is a 19 year old job seeker who has been struggling with depression and has been in jobactive looking for work for seven months. He recently completed intensive employability skills training and feels more confident and prepared for the workforce. Virginia and Miles agree to an internship placement of 20 hours per week for eight weeks. Virginia receives a $1,000 upfront payment when the internship placement commences, and Miles receives $200 fortnightly on top of his income support. At the end of the eight weeks, Miles has gained valuable experience in the café. Virginia has been encouraged by how Miles has grown into the job and sees he's a good fit for her team. Virginia hires Miles in an ongoing position and receives a weekly wage subsidy of $385 per week for the first six months of Miles' employment.
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I like how you dorks are making GBS threads on this without even bothering to find out how it works
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Virginia has the option of endless slave labour that costs her nothing as her costs per slave are subsidied to the tune of $1000, or 10 weeks of slave labour. Virginia can then elect to promote the slave to an employee at a cost of $(minimum wage)-385 subsidy or she can get a fresh slave with a fresh $1000 subsidy. In a world where cafe owners try to convince people that they run the shop alone because "dincha know hiring help costs OVER $50 AN HOUR m8" Virginia ain't going to be played for a fool and keeps a rotating roster of slaves.
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So post-budget Labor released more web ads with some of them likely to be on TV soon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb6iWiJXDkU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udLfaVzxS2o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxa7IdDBco4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00UsY_J1YdU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jVDzNUh3IY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_KKGbEM3SQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB6o973m8rs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v6MovtBQyk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpYTkcGT2Mw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs1eGs3dPlY Labor's election slogan is:  
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Well I guess I'll just have to spend a few more years living in Russia with this poo poo happening at home.  Then again, maybe Taiwan or Japan next? I will watch aghast and disappointed as ALP sleepwalk thier way to failure yet again.
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Cleretic posted:The internship bullshit's another of those great unemployment policies that gently caress the unemployed over twofold: not only is their prime jobseeking time being consumed for a pittance, but the faux-work the business is getting basically for free is taking the place of what someone would actually be paid a living wage to do normally. To add insult to injury, this role being disintegrated to be done by Newstart interns is basically required to be exactly the sort of entry-level job those jobseekers would have been applying to anyway. You want working conditions? gently caress you. Get uppity and we'll sack the lot of you and rehire you as jobseeker-interns. You want a raise? gently caress you. We can downsize the department and replace you withwith a rotating crop of jobseekers for a loving pittance, and get paid to do it.
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Negligent posted:Virginia hires Miles in an ongoing position and This is more utopian than anything I've ever written about basic income.
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Negligent posted:Virginia owns a café in a busy shopping centre. She has thought about taking on another waiter but is concerned about introducing an unknown person into her well-functioning team. Here is the more ralistic take on this story: At the end of the eight weeks, Miles is booted out on his rear end and is send right back into the system that had been driving him to depression in the first place. He is replaced the very next Monday by Rick, a thirty-something driven to alcoholism at the loss of his factory job, who lacks both the skills and willingness to exceed at the role. Virginia's cafe profits more from doing this, and then doing it a third time when Rick stops turning up (be it because of finishing the eight weeks, leaving the role unceremoniously for any number of personal reasons, or being booted out for turning up drunk/hungover one morning because he had to drink A LOT to gather up the willingness to turn up to this work he hates for another day), this process repeating unto infinity. Also, the internship role is far less likely to be from a small, locally-owned cafe, and more likely to be some faceless office or warehouse job, the managers of which will remember neither Miles nor Rick after they had been gone for more than three days.
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you guys are so cut about the coalition having an election-winning policy, it's delightful. even the ACOSS lady said it was a good thing that ScoMo has cooked up.
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Negligent posted:yes, and after that the employer gets a subsidy of $6500 - $10,000, so I stand by my point that you would have to be a complete fuckup for the employer to give up $7500-$11,000 of free money A wage subsidy is only "free money" if the business was going to hire a non subsidized worker into that position regardless, which there is not necessarily any reason for them to do when you can get free labour. I don't find subsidizing wages to encourage hiring the long term unemployed objectionable, but this appears to have no connection to the unpaid internships program.
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how funny that its the unions, the ACTU that are against it, but the policy experts are in favour. the Australian Council of Social Services (ACOSS) welcomed the move. "We are very pleased to see the new approach to helping young people into paid work," chief executive Dr Cassandra Goldie said. "This budget recognises the failure of work for the dole, and has instead provided an opportunity for young people to get work experience in real jobs with a wage subsidy, something we have urged for some time and should be used more widely."
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May 3, 2016 14:11
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Do we know if these kids going to be stripped of worker's compensation for injuries a la the Green Army too?
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They already outsourced all the call centres so relocating the jobs to take advantage of a temporary scheme seems unlikely. Plus they often work with soft phones, scripts, policies and internal systems that take at least a couple of weeks to get the hang of before you're flying solo. It'll be unskilled labourers, shelf stockers, tedious fiddly office poo poo like staples and stuffing envelopes. The kind of poo poo where you point someone at a problem and give them a 2 minute debrief before closing the door behind you.
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May 3, 2016 14:14
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Or just raise Newstart by 200 dollars rather than creating a poo poo workplace environment with no protection.
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FDR implemented Make-Work projects, I'm sure you lefties would have been in favour of the New Deal at the time 
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Also I like how they are hiring 1000 new people for a taskforce to look into Multinationals offshoring after firing 4400 ATO staff over the last 19 months."Canberra times posted:On Thursday, the Community and Public Sector Union told the hearing into corporate tax avoidance Australia's tax collection would be hurt by the workforce reduction – a contrary line to the ATO's official view. One step forward after four and a half back. dr_rat fucked around with this message at 14:21 on May 3, 2016 |
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I'll give some credit in that I did not expect their changes to superannuation to go as far as it did considering their base. Limiting non-concessional contributions to a lifetime limit of $500K whilst it's currently $180K a year until you turn 75 is a pretty stark change. Especially since its effective from the budget announcement, so nothing we dodgy accountants can do about it. We told some clients to consider putting extra in before the budget, but I'm still shocked they went to this extreme.
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Anidav posted:Or just raise Newstart by 200 dollars rather than creating a poo poo workplace environment with no protection. Raising Newstart does not mean "fiddly office poo poo" will get done.
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