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turtlecrunch posted:Why did you quote me? To reinforce how stupid the people are who whine about pvp in the game with pvp in it.
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BobTheJanitor posted:Does anyone else feel like Archdragon Peak was supposed to be a PvP area like the rat zones in 2? You've got the NPCs there that endlessly summon 'invaders' except the invaders are all NPCs as well. Plus it feels like there was supposed to be a covenant there that was pulled at the last minute. There's even that developer message about 'to walk the path of the dragon, do not ring the bell' or something like that. Which is pointless, because you can ring the bell and continue to do whatever you want in the level, either before or after killing NK. In general it feels a little bit like a zone that wasn't quite finished, and they just sanded off the rough edges and threw it out as-is. This was bothering me. So you miss out on nothing? This was while I was playing blind and I thought I'd just locked myself out of a covenant by pulling a lever. There's even the alter facing the giant dragon in the mountain that I was sure was the "offer your dragon scales to the almighty dragon" spot. Then I check the wiki after beating it and see there's not even a dragon covenant? Yeah, I'm not sure what the devs were going for with those messages.
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May 3, 2016 17:56
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ankle posted:I've had the Blue Sentinels/Darkmoon covenant item equipped for almost the entire game and I've never been summoned with it. Am I missing something? Probably not. It just flat-out doesn't seem to work for some people. I can confirm from experience that it does work--I've been helped by Sentinels and I get summoned as a Darkmoon very regularly myself--but lots and lots of people just never get summoned at all. Something's hosed up with network stuff, I'd guess.
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Harrow posted:The password system letting you someone people across level boundaries (and scaling them down, to be fair) kinda kills low-level invasions dead. Sure, they're scaled-down, but they'll still have access to late-game weapons, spells, and rings and will ruin a "legitimate" low-level invader's day. Twinking is not really that good in this game. The best weapons in the game can be had before Farron Keep, and the big damage comes from upgrades and stat scaling. Raw is pretty much the best infusion until +5 or so, and it's trivial to get a chunk of health at low level and still do decent damage with a raw +3-4. The only bullshit thing to bring into low level PVP is Hornet Ring, which is placed way too far in the game in the first place and is way too big a bonus when backstabs/ripostes should just do around that damage in the first place.
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May 3, 2016 17:58
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Why do you assume I have an entourage or something? Often it's just me and some pvp dude invades and it's fine. I'm just saying it'd be cool to get a reward for winning.
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ankle posted:I've had the Blue Sentinels/Darkmoon covenant item equipped for almost the entire game and I've never been summoned with it. Am I missing something? Well, concords for one.
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May 3, 2016 17:59
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Jastiger posted:Why do you assume I have an entourage or something? Often it's just me and some pvp dude invades and it's fine. I'm just saying it'd be cool to get a reward for winning. you get an estus back and a useless amount of souls lol
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Jastiger posted:Why do you assume I have an entourage or something? Often it's just me and some pvp dude invades and it's fine. I'm just saying it'd be cool to get a reward for winning. Play offline
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May 3, 2016 18:00
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Jastiger posted:Why do you assume I have an entourage or something? Often it's just me and some pvp dude invades and it's fine. I'm just saying it'd be cool to get a reward for winning. I totally agree. They risk nothing and get everything.
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May 3, 2016 18:01
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Yeah it's one thing to be told to play offline if you've got friendly phantoms escorting you through the game but if you're by yourself and you don't want to be invaded there's no reason you should be online.
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May 3, 2016 18:01
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Control Volume posted:Play offline new thread title
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loving Goblins, that poo poo is still updating and it still looks like garbage and it's still exactly that comic + gore
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May 3, 2016 18:03
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Szcwczuk posted:It's 0 risk to just fight the invader, other then losing the ember. You should just fight them and have a good time. eh its just annoying since normally its when im playing with a buddy. this game is actually a lot of fun to play co-op. you go around, talk about the cool settings, etc, its quite enjoyable. and then in the middle of it there is an invasion and its just a pain in the rear end. im not a big dark souls player, and other than inertia from the prior games, i really don't see why there is not an arena type system in the game to facilitate pvp for the people that really want it. just plop an NPC by arena somewhere and let you queue into games.
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May 3, 2016 18:03
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I had a few good fights smacking people with a cathedral knight great sword, but most of it was just oh here's a dude in armor and a weapon you can't get until the very end of the game, I'm sure they're not running around with a maxed out estus flask and a hornet ring for the sole purpose of being a dick.
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May 3, 2016 18:05
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BillmasterCozb posted:You take 10% more damage And honestly, while it looks like a big drop on the stat screen, I couldn't say it actually feels like you take appreciably more damage. I spent a lot of time helping people with Lothric last night with and without the prisoner's chain, and couldn't say the extra damage I took mattered. Finished the game last night. Stopped at 104. Spent a fair bit of time trying out a Str 40/Faith 30 build for the Dragonslayer's Greataxe and honestly didn't feel it, so I went back to a quality build and the BKGA. My version of the final boss proved disappointingly easy to handle--when I co-oped for some folks later I saw he had several moves that I never saw in my run. I guess I killed him too quick?
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May 3, 2016 18:05
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Usually in games when I'm playing with a buddy and someone ne'er-do-well happens across us we start planning our attack and how to deal with this and using the awesome power of our friendship to defeat the intruder and cheer each other one but I guess being a baby-back-bitch and crying at adversity is okay too you motherfuckre bitch idiot gently caress you crybaby rear end in a top hat fucker
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May 3, 2016 18:06
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Babe Magnet posted:Yeah it's one thing to be told to play offline if you've got friendly phantoms escorting you through the game but if you're by yourself and you don't want to be invaded there's no reason you should be online. That ain't worth it.
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May 3, 2016 18:06
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Jastiger posted:Yeah it just seems all reward for the red with all risk for the host. If you want invasions fine, but you should get something for winning. You get to play the easy mode of the game, which doesn't seem like any sort of prize IMO, but if you want to have three strangers walk you through the game, then you need to pay for the privilege.
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May 3, 2016 18:06
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One time I invaded in Undead Settlement and the gank squad was dressed as Smough and a Black Knight and I was standing there with my unreinforced club thinking about my life. Then I remembered this was exactly like Undead Parish in DS1 when you accidentally shot into someone's NG+ game and they ran at you with Mask of the Father, havel armor, and a super electric darkmoon washing pole.
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May 3, 2016 18:06
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WoodrowSkillson posted:eh its just annoying since normally its when im playing with a buddy. this game is actually a lot of fun to play co-op. you go around, talk about the cool settings, etc, its quite enjoyable. and then in the middle of it there is an invasion and its just a pain in the rear end. I can respect that. Sadly there's no way to have one without the other. The only time I get pissed is when the invader just runs away for 5 hours. Other then that I just try have a good time with it. I know goons will make fun of me but I will bow and try fight them 1v1. When they still run forever it just gets boring.
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Babe Magnet posted:im mad about INVASIONS Same. It as a purple bro why can't I hug the host
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May 3, 2016 18:08
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I don't want people to play offline, I want them to be okay with playing online so I can invade them.
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May 3, 2016 18:09
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If there's such a nonexistent reward to killing invaders, why the hell are there so many gank squads? You said yourself it's really cool to win a close, tense fight. You had fun in your game that you play for fun. I'm confused.
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May 3, 2016 18:09
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Lotish posted:And honestly, while it looks like a big drop on the stat screen, I couldn't say it actually feels like you take appreciably more damage. I spent a lot of time helping people with Lothric last night with and without the prisoner's chain, and couldn't say the extra damage I took mattered.
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May 3, 2016 18:11
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Fashion Souls
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May 3, 2016 18:11
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loving genius the last part of archdragon peak. Developers are so scared of using tedium as a gameplay mechanic, luckily mr.mitsubishi is here to light the way
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May 3, 2016 18:15
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Well, invading you have to take the effort to go find someone to fight while also being balanced against between no embered hp bonus and halved estus flasks. Ganksquadding lets you have those advantages as well as furthering it by making it #v1 and forcing them to come to you. Then they get to feel smug and superior because they beat another player without much of the effort required to do so while invading themselves or doing redsign duels/fight clubs. Or maybe they just really don't like invaders and want to waste their time? Who knows, really.
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May 3, 2016 18:15
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I was going to write a whole effort post about the pros and cons of having invasions, but it really just boils down to this: if you don't like the inherent unpredictablility of player interaction, go offline or stop playing dark souls
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May 3, 2016 18:32
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Babe Magnet posted:loving Goblins, that poo poo is still updating and it still looks like garbage and it's still exactly that comic + gore HOLD THE gently caress UP He went back to drawing it?
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May 3, 2016 18:32
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I have never had a gank squad or anything like that. The only time some one showed up to help I was either already dead or I had already killed the guy. Sometimes you get a "good" invade and they are far far away. Other times you're in the goddamn archives and they drop down from above before their invasion message disappears from the screen lol. Basically if I kill an invader I should get their ember and a covenant item that can be traded for higher end upgrading stuff.
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May 3, 2016 18:34
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Babe Magnet posted:It's not even the healing part that I have a problem with. It was an invasion, not a summon, all bets are off, it's time to fight to win motherfucker. I just don't like how fast it all happens. If Estus wasn't instant healing, or if the animation took maybe twice as long, I think it'd be fine. I carry a full supply of undead hunter charms for this reason. People panic when that option is removed.
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May 3, 2016 18:35
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Everyone's complaining about invasions and I just want to be able to run it at a framerate acceptable for online play
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May 3, 2016 18:36
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Jastiger posted:Basically if I kill an invader I should get their ember and a covenant item that can be traded for higher end upgrading stuff. ok but you don't and you likely won't ever, so
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May 3, 2016 18:39
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StashAugustine posted:Everyone's complaining about invasions and I just want to be able to run it at a framerate acceptable for online play More info would help. What are we working with here? There are a lot of little tweaks I could help you with if I knew your specs.
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May 3, 2016 18:41
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Jastiger posted:Basically if I kill an invader I should get their ember and a covenant item that can be traded for higher end upgrading stuff. You do not have to be embered to invade, so that wouldn't work, and you DO get their covenant item if they're a mound-maker, IIRC
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May 3, 2016 18:41
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Something I'm finding weird is that From made all this big epic songs for almost every boss and you can't really appreciate them. Almost every fight is split into two phases, so the phase one music gets cut off constantly. Then phase two ends before you get far into that part of the song. So the only way you'd ever hear the full tracks is to listen to them outside of the game. Good thing they released an official soundtrack! Oh wait, the official soundtrack butchers most of those songs and cuts off huge chunks of them! 
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Hi Dark Spirit. I see you have invaded me. I too, like invading. I understand you have a hard time getting anything done with all the gank trains being run on you. Here, why don't I sit down so you can fight my phantom one on one, and if you win, you can fight me! I'll be honorobru samurai-sa-- Oh. Oh you're hitting me in the middle of my sitting gesture/running deep into the level/are a laggy mannequin piece of poo poo. I guess you're not going to make this quick and easy.
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