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Shunkymonky posted:I'll give some credit in that I did not expect their changes to superannuation to go as far as it did considering their base. Yeah some of the superannuation changes seemed to be just a bit of fiddling about but that part did actually seem pretty decent and good.
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The best bit is when businesses complain about how productivity has gone down now that they're employing a constantly rotating force of underpaid people who don't want to be there, and that they really need to wind back the inefficient bureaucracy of schemes like workcover and oh&s regulations
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May 3, 2016 14:29
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LibertyCat posted:Raising Newstart does not mean "fiddly office poo poo" will get done. Yeah, they might even have to hire someone to do that job! I think you might be onto something.
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May 3, 2016 14:32
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Yeah, they might even have to hire someone to do that job! I think you might be onto something. And then we'd have to pay less Newstart! Holy poo poo, this is gold, right here.
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May 3, 2016 14:35
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people who like the PaTH policy: policy experts Negligent posted:
the ABC  people who dont like the PaTH policy unions the internet
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May 3, 2016 14:39
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Negligent posted:Virginia owns a café in a busy shopping centre. She has thought about taking on another waiter but is concerned about introducing an unknown person into her well-functioning team. that's why you have probationary periods
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Negligent has been melting down more than usual lately. Maybe this means that Bill Shorten is going to become prime minister.
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Tokamak posted:Negligent has been melting down more than usual lately. Maybe this means that Bill Shorten is going to become prime minister. He feels threatened by the new worst poster. I hope LibertyCat undergoes the same transformation as Graic and Negligent can reclaim the title.
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this was a v good night really got a tax cut dole bludgers are getting put back into the workforce labor have no answers except "we will support this policy" bill shorten's odds of prime minister are still zero to nil
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Negligent posted:this was a v good night really I have them at 3.30:1 actually.
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I've said it before, but if anyone ever asks why oppositions don't release policy before an election, this is why. If it's good, the Government will attack it relentlessly to try and damage the opposition for coming up with poo poo ideas. Then roll around to election time, they'll take it as their own. If it's bad, the Government will attack it relentlessly to try and damage the opposition for coming up with poo poo ideas.
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Negligent posted:Virginia owns a café in a busy shopping centre. She has thought about taking on another waiter but is concerned about introducing an unknown person into her well-functioning team. this is not how hospitality works
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EvilElmo posted:I've said it before, but if anyone ever asks why oppositions don't release policy before an election, this is why. I can't believe you're not even a ~change from within~ Labor type, you literally love their lovely small target neoliberal strategies.  ^What a great filter.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I can't believe you're not even a ~change from within~ Labor type, you literally love their lovely small target neoliberal strategies. You can do a lot more in Government than you can in opposition. As a Greens voter you're probably not aware of that. If the ALP give the LNP a bunch of policies for them to win an election on, then they water them down, don't deliver or fund them in the long term, we end up with a bunch of tax cuts and no new services and existing services are under resourced. Or we can wait until an election campaign and release our policies. Would this budget have looked the same if the ALP didn't release any policy? Would they have gone for a tobacco increase? I don't think so. Their strategy was to copy a bunch of Labor policy negating the Labor attack on this budget. If they had to come up with their own "moderate, election winning budget" I don't think they could have pulled it off. Further proof ACT best. EvilElmo fucked around with this message at 15:06 on May 3, 2016 |
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EvilElmo posted:You can do a lot more in Government than you can in opposition. As a Greens voter you're probably not aware of that. But Labor usually steal Liberal policies and water them down. When they're in government they're too scared of losing government to do anything, when they're in opposition they're too scared of not winning government to do anything. It's not a strategy, it's just reaction.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:But Labor usually steal Liberal policies and water them down. No. Like this is just lazy analysis, just like the typical cynical "The ALP and LNP are the same" comments in here. It's incorrect and just lazy. Fits the Greens messaging though, so I understand why you want to say it. But it's lazy and incorrect, so, try again. edit: In Government we pushed quite a lot of progressive policy. Most of it removed by the LNP when they took power. You need to be in power for a long time to prevent policy getting reversed with the change of Government. Take US elections right now, if the Republicans win, any progressive policy implemented during Obama's term will be wound back. They need to win this next election and the reelection and it's unlikely to be wound back at that point. Being in Government, and holding it, is very important. Once people see something like an ETS, SPT etc. don't kill the economy, they're no longer election issues. EvilElmo fucked around with this message at 15:21 on May 3, 2016 |
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EvilElmo posted:No. Yes. e: Except it's really not that wrong. If the extent the Libs have stolen policy from Labor is being used as the baseline for it, then Labor steal and back Liberal policy to a far greater extent than the reverse. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 15:21 on May 3, 2016 |
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EvilElmo posted:You can do a lot more in Government than you can in opposition. As a Greens voter you're probably not aware of that. quote:Or we can wait until an election campaign and release our policies. Would this budget have looked the same if the ALP didn't release any policy? Would they have gone for a tobacco increase? I don't think so. Their strategy was to copy a bunch of Labor policy negating the Labor attack on this budget. If they had to come up with their own "moderate, election winning budget" I don't think they could have pulled it off. I'd also note that Labor released a policy on negative gearing, which didn't seem to turn up in the budget? Not sure why.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:As a Greens voter I've seen what Labor does in government. You're right. ALP don't do anything good. Through a minority government and very hostile opposition they got: NBN Carbon Tax Mining Tax NDIS Apology to stolen generation Education reform PPL to include men Plain packaging Greens: ... Doctor Spaceman posted:The last three PMs to increase (or propose increasing) tobacco excise were Rudd, Gillard and Keating, so yeah, I think the Coalition might have been aware of Labor's stance on the matter. It's also hardly the mainstay of the budget, and the only reason that it's getting any significant attention at the moment is because the PBO and Treasury disagree on how effective it'll be at reducing smoking rates. EvilElmo posted:If it's bad, the Government will attack it relentlessly to try and damage the opposition for coming up with poo poo ideas. You'll find they think it is bad policy. Some of their biggest donors are property developers and investment funds who don't want anything done in this space. Their super reforms are looking to push more people into the property market for their super savings. The tobacco was an example, there are many other measures in this budget the Government has taken from the ALP. WhiskeyWhiskers posted:e: Except it's really not that wrong. If the extent the Libs have stolen policy from Labor is being used as the baseline for it, then Labor steal and back Liberal policy to a far greater extent than the reverse. Yeah, not right either. So keep trying.
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lmao "uh you're wrong actually" "how so" "uh you're wrong actually"
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EvilElmo posted:You're right. ALP don't do anything good. quote:The tobacco was an example, there are many other measures in this budget the Government has taken from the ALP.
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Negligent I'm pretty sure your brain is broken I can't be certain though I'm only being paid $4 an hour for my slave labour
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EvilElmo posted:You can do a lot more in Government than you can in opposition. As a Greens voter you're probably not aware of that. Which party did Gillard form government with? I obviously wasn't paying attention.
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Actually releasing good economic policies that have been stolen by the Libs has been great for the ALP. It's framed the debate in such a way that the Libs are at a natural disadvantage because it's not about economic management anymore, it's about fairness.
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Also if you look at agency staffing in Budget Paper No. 4, TAX FORCE is 539 people, not 1000.
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if you're crying about the liberals stealing your policy maybe the problem is that you put forward a policy platform the liberals are okay with stealing
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Anyone have a break down on the budget notes for this? I can't be hosed reading 10 pages of negligent trying to be cool by being an edgy teenager.
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Seagull posted:you're noice
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Birdstrike posted:Actually releasing good economic policies that have been stolen by the Libs has been great for the ALP. It's framed the debate in such a way that the Libs are at a natural disadvantage because it's not about economic management anymore, it's about fairness. It also lets them laser-focus on the things that got changed, or that they didn't come up with, instead of having to fight the entire thing. Maybe be a bit snide about the fact that they apparently wrote half the budget, but then come out swinging against things like the internships, uni funding cuts, and such like that. They won't be blocking supply this time, but there's still things to fight about.
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This "internship" stuff is insane. It'll take 2 hours to get a packet of mince on special at the supermarket. The foreign 7/11 workers got paid more and people got mad at that.
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Pope on point
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Endman posted:Pope on point perfect
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Lmao the budget has unmentioned cuts to the ABC while reducing licensing fees for the other broadcasters. The ABC’s public funding will fall $48 million this year, while commercial broadcasters have won a $163m saving from the cost of licence fees over four years.
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tithin posted:Pope on Dutton Pope is a national treasure
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