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cravius is fine calm down
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# ? May 14, 2024 13:22 |
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sorry "published" I'm well aware of how the blacklist works
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# ? May 4, 2016 00:58 |
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Unfunny Poster posted:There was someone in the last thread who was blacklisted and part of the stated reasoning was them criticizing GSF leadership, which was quickly denounced as not being true and criticism on GF.com of leadership is welcomed. So it's a bit confusing why criticism of your guys leadership is now being used as a reason to blacklist another person. Regardless, its funny that people jumped on Zephyrine so quickly for saying she was leaving and joining Horde, presumably for the time being, after doing a bunch of logistics work to get peoples poo poo out. I know this is low grade r/eve trolling, but I'm gonna bite. Here's some examples of criticizing GSF leadership, all of which are true criticisms, and all of which have been said without reprisal in the last month or less: * "I think the directorate was dumb for de-modding deadtear, he may be an rear end in a top hat but he's not a jerk" * "I think Flanders is being retarded with the Malediction fit, the extra speed isn't necessary, here's a better fit" * "I think Mittens goes clubbing too often and poo poo falls apart when he's gone, he should either delegate more or club less" * "I think Asher has poor fashion sense, Serpentis jackets are much better looking" Notice that all of these items involve naming a specific thing that someone did wrong; some of the good examples even include the reasoning for why it was wrong, or a proposal of what should have been done instead. Compare with "unspecified members of the directorate did some spooky unspecified mean things that I'm unhappy with, so I'm leaving." This neither specifies an action that was performed, nor explains why an action was harmful, nor does it propose an alternative. It just raises innuendo, encourages people to assume the worst, muddying the water with no opening for improvement or restitution. In other words, it's not criticism -- it's low-class attention whoring, with a hint of baseless innuendo and muckraking to boot. And that's r/eve's favorite flavor of pigslop.
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# ? May 4, 2016 00:58 |
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Of course I knew there was a list somewhere. But I have no idea why you would make it public to every single person who registers an alt corp.ullerrm posted:Compare with "unspecified members of the directorate did some spooky unspecified mean things that I'm unhappy with, so I'm leaving." This neither specifies an action that was performed, nor explains why an action was harmful, nor does it propose an alternative. It just raises innuendo, encourages people to assume the worst, muddying the water with no opening for improvement or restitution. Would you feel better if I came clean with all of it then?
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# ? May 4, 2016 00:59 |
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Zephyrine posted:Of course I knew there was a list somewhere. But I have no idea why you would make it public to every single person who registers an alt corp. so they dont let in blacklisted people?
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:00 |
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Zephyrine posted:Of course I knew there was a list somewhere. But I have no idea why you would make it public to every single person who registers an alt corp. so they can vet random recruits against it hell for a while we toyed with the idea of making the imperium blacklist public to everyone who wanted to page through it, mostly as a character bazaar monkey wrench, for whatever that would be worth
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:01 |
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Zephyrine posted:Of course I knew there was a list somewhere. But I have no idea why you would make it public to every single person who registers an alt corp. Hehehe you're really going to like this: I had access to it back as a line member in FCON. Account suddenly doesn't work in GEWNS though.
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:01 |
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like it is not a super secure thing or a state secret, literally anyone can get access to it
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:02 |
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Glory of Arioch posted:so they can vet random recruits against it Didn't the blacklist used to be public when FA managed it?
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:03 |
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cravius posted:Didn't the blacklist used to be public when FA managed it? good question, i don't know
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:03 |
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ullerrm posted:* "I think the directorate was dumb for de-modding deadtear, he may be an rear end in a top hat but he's not a jerk"
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:06 |
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Zephyrine posted:Would you feel better if I came clean with all of it then? lord yes, beating around the bush is always some honky tonk bullshit, either air your poo poo out or dont mention it at all
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:06 |
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:lord yes, beating around the bush is always some honky tonk bullshit, either air your poo poo out or dont mention it at all I want Flanders or Querns to say it.
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:07 |
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Zephyrine posted:Would you feel better if I came clean with all of it then? please
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:07 |
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haha yes! FINALLY, zephyrine was brought to justice for her crimes against the imperium~
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:08 |
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really this whole clutching pearls thing over the blacklist is dumb because, uh, while i had nothing against angelique now that she's hauling for phorde of loving course we're going to add her known characters to the list of known horde hauling alts, which is the only list here that actually matters instead of the blacklist i don't think anyone had bothered to do that but now that i've thought of it i'm going to make sure it's done. i mean, they're now hostile logistics, blowing the poo poo out of them is a very important part of the game now so, uh, why on earth would anyone think we would then keep that info secret i know there are going to be dj level dumdums who think it's some sort of retaliation and ~so mad~, but i think even xolve would realize that was dumb
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:08 |
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Zephyrine posted:I want Flanders or Querns to say it. i have no clue what your vague grievance is, i barely ever talked to you ever
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:09 |
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ullerrm posted:I know this is low grade r/eve trolling, but I'm gonna bite. Here's some examples of criticizing GSF leadership, all of which are true criticisms, and all of which have been said without reprisal in the last month or less: It wasn't trolling. Someone got banned for, iirc, excessively posting criticisms and it took people saying how stupid it was on SA to get that reversed. Maybe it was Jokine, I don't know peoples non-SA names. Regardless it is also pretty silly to use "you criticized leadership" as an excuse to blacklist someone who left, like Deadtear already pointed out. Whoever did that is a petty baby .
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:09 |
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Zephyrine posted:I want Flanders or Querns to say it. why
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:10 |
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Unfunny Poster posted:It wasn't trolling. Someone got banned for, iirc, excessively posting criticisms and it took people saying how stupid it was on SA to get that reversed. Maybe it was Jokine, I don't know peoples non-SA names. Regardless it is also pretty silly to use "you criticized leadership" as an excuse to blacklist someone who left, like Deadtear already pointed out. Whoever did that is a petty baby . jokine is mpaarating and please stop arguing with knar KNAR STOP ARGUING WITH UBA
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:10 |
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Unfunny Poster posted:It wasn't trolling. Someone got banned for, iirc, excessively posting criticisms and it took people saying how stupid it was on SA to get that reversed. Maybe it was Jokine, I don't know peoples non-SA names. Regardless it is also pretty silly to use "you criticized leadership" as an excuse to blacklist someone who left, like Deadtear already pointed out. Whoever did that is a petty baby . "someone, i think, maybe got banned for something that makes me right, i don't know who"
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:10 |
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evilweasel posted:"someone, i think, maybe got banned for something that makes me right, i don't know who" i think hes talking about jokine getting banned for negrepping that twr post
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:11 |
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I doubt you would have been put in the loop either way. I'll take a yes from Querns or Flanders.
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:12 |
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Zephyrine posted:I doubt you would have been put in the loop either way. gonna have to be flanders then because i no-joke have no idea what the hell you're on about
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:13 |
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cravius posted:i think hes talking about jokine getting banned for negrepping that twr post jokine had characters in a hostile alliance, oss (a founding part of the mbc)
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:13 |
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evilweasel posted:really this whole clutching pearls thing over the blacklist is dumb because, uh, while i had nothing against angelique now that she's hauling for phorde of loving course we're going to add her known characters to the list of known horde hauling alts, which is the only list here that actually matters instead of the blacklist I think you're mistaking laughing at how petty and dumb you and other people are acting over Zephyrine leaving is and clutching at pearls. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 01:16 on May 4, 2016 |
# ? May 4, 2016 01:14 |
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evilweasel posted:jokine had characters in a hostile alliance, oss Wasn't this way before BOS got kicked?
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:14 |
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cravius posted:Wasn't this way before BOS got kicked? his characters in there date back that long but when he got kicked it was hostile edit: guess my memory is slightly off, given what deadtear posted
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:15 |
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cravius posted:Wasn't this way before BOS got kicked? he followed them out 2015-06-11 bos kicked 2015/06/20 jokine left amok for bos
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:16 |
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:jokine is mpaarating and please stop arguing with knar KNAR STOP ARGUING WITH UBA Who is knar and why should I care about their blatantly bad opinions?
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:16 |
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knar owns and you suck
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:18 |
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i dont actually know if you're arguing with him specifically, he said something like "tallardar is stupid" so im going to agree with him?
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:19 |
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Glory of Arioch posted:gonna have to be flanders then because i no-joke have no idea what the hell you're on about It's 2 at night here in Sweden. If I go to bed before Flanders answers this then someone feel free to re-quote this every now and then as a reminder. I have no idea why the directorate of all people would push so hard for this when I wanted to leave it behind but if you're going to keep calling me on not making all the details public. Page after page. Then you leave me little choice. Zephyrine posted:Would you feel better if I came clean with all of it then?
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:22 |
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ullerrm posted:I know this is low grade r/eve trolling, but I'm gonna bite. Here's some examples of criticizing GSF leadership, all of which are true criticisms, and all of which have been said without reprisal in the last month or less: I've openly stated that I don't care for turning goons into a brand, and that I'm not at all happy about how our leadership has issues separating their Media Identities via The Shittiest Eve News Website Dot Com and their leadership of GSF. I think this would largely be solved if like our number one and number two guy weren't stakeholders in the big dumb gay media empire. I think giving Sion the robotic boy a talking role in any form of media was a giant loving mistake because the hard edged "Soft vs hard power" diplomacy poo poo doesn't work well in a media format, and what he saw as an attack piece on reddit was pointed out on this very forum as coming off as bitchy crying. Was it bitchy crying? Probably not, but perception is everything. I think that like it or not r/eve has basically become the new Kugu, and refusing to get in on the ground floor as opposed to just throwing poo poo at the wall to see what would stick was probably a mistake. We've proven time and time again that we can shift and move the culture of Eve Online, not applying those lessons there was stupid. I think we've so poorly handled old friends and their own concerns about these things that they've walked away. I view the likes of Endie, Blawrf, Suas (Who I can't stand by the way) turning against us as an indicator of an internal sickness that needs to be solved. Basically we need to huff our own farts a little less. On the other hand of the equation: This war has brought the old small gang dudes out of the woodwork and I'm having a loving blast with blops again. I don't think any of the problems are problems that can't be solved, and as I've said to a few people: Goons in Space as a nullsec power is important to me, and no I don't think Groon or Groon 2.0 with an angry man at the helm really fit the bill. I was hoping DJ would stick around and be kind of an ex CEO sounding board, and make positive waves instead of just dumping a bunch of assholes into every thread. I'd much rather people angry at the way things are try to stick things out and maybe change them for the better than just gently caress off to the He Man Goonhaters club, because problems exist to be solved. Namaste. Whatever. I severely doubt I'll be kicked out for this post. Nerds.
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:22 |
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RVCMF's first mining op is officially a success. VG & Rock, I'm along for your crazy ride.
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:22 |
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i'll never tire of ex-gsf doing their best to nail themselves on the cross for ???
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:23 |
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Rhymenoserous posted:I think we've so poorly handled old friends and their own concerns about these things that they've walked away. I view the likes of Endie, Blawrf, Suas (Who I can't stand by the way) turning against us as an indicator of an internal sickness that needs to be solved. Basically we need to huff our own farts a little less. i agree with basically everything you said except blawrf sucks rear end and him leaving was a-ok, endie bouncing is regrettable though
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:24 |
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Glory of Arioch posted:gonna have to be flanders then because i no-joke have no idea what the hell you're on about Ugh, I had to take her off ignore to find out what you were talking about. Frankly, Zeph, I've got no clue what you're hinting at, and I find myself not really caring either. All I know is that you promised to leave quietly, and ended up doing anything but that. So, my answer is: Don't bother. I'm perfectly happy continuing on with my life without hearing your grand and glorious secret. I continue to hope that you'll be happier wherever you end up; this is a video game, after all.
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:25 |
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Zephyrine posted:It's 2 at night here in Sweden. If I go to bed before Flanders answers this then someone feel free to re-quote this every now and then as a reminder. I have no idea why the directorate of all people would push so hard for this when I wanted to leave it behind but if you're going to keep calling me on not making all the details public. Page after page. Then you leave me little choice. i honestly don't know what the hell you're talking about, and neither does flanders however i am running out of ways to convince you of this fact so i guess i'll just accept that you believe that i can read minds and/or I can ascertain your grievance from our precisely one (1) private conversation ever (asking me to code a tax app for ITL)
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# ? May 4, 2016 01:26 |
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i want to see what she's being so god drat coy about teehee I Have Big Reasons But I'm Not Sharing
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