Glory of Arioch posted:

Unfunny Poster posted:

There was someone in the last thread who was blacklisted and part of the stated reasoning was them criticizing GSF leadership, which was quickly denounced as not being true and criticism on GF.com of leadership is welcomed. So it's a bit confusing why criticism of your guys leadership is now being used as a reason to blacklist another person. Regardless, its funny that people jumped on Zephyrine so quickly for saying she was leaving and joining Horde, presumably for the time being, after doing a bunch of logistics work to get peoples poo poo out.

ullerrm posted:

Compare with "unspecified members of the directorate did some spooky unspecified mean things that I'm unhappy with, so I'm leaving." This neither specifies an action that was performed, nor explains why an action was harmful, nor does it propose an alternative. It just raises innuendo, encourages people to assume the worst, muddying the water with no opening for improvement or restitution.

In other words, it's not criticism -- it's low-class attention whoring, with a hint of baseless innuendo and muckraking to boot. And that's r/eve's favorite flavor of pigslop.

Zephyrine posted:

Of course I knew there was a list somewhere. But I have no idea why you would make it public to every single person who registers an alt corp.

Zephyrine posted:

Of course I knew there was a list somewhere. But I have no idea why you would make it public to every single person who registers an alt corp.

Zephyrine posted:

Of course I knew there was a list somewhere. But I have no idea why you would make it public to every single person who registers an alt corp.

Glory of Arioch posted:

so they can vet random recruits against it

hell for a while we toyed with the idea of making the imperium blacklist public to everyone who wanted to page through it, mostly as a character bazaar monkey wrench, for whatever that would be worth

cravius posted:

Didn't the blacklist used to be public when FA managed it?

ullerrm posted:

* "I think the directorate was dumb for de-modding deadtear, he may be an rear end in a top hat but he's not a jerk"

Zephyrine posted:

Would you feel better if I came clean with all of it then?

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

lord yes, beating around the bush is always some honky tonk bullshit, either air your poo poo out or dont mention it at all

Zephyrine posted:

Would you feel better if I came clean with all of it then?

Zephyrine posted:

I want Flanders or Querns to say it.

ullerrm posted:

I know this is low grade r/eve trolling, but I'm gonna bite. Here's some examples of criticizing GSF leadership, all of which are true criticisms, and all of which have been said without reprisal in the last month or less:

* "I think the directorate was dumb for de-modding deadtear, he may be an rear end in a top hat but he's not a jerk"
* "I think Flanders is being retarded with the Malediction fit, the extra speed isn't necessary, here's a better fit"
* "I think Mittens goes clubbing too often and poo poo falls apart when he's gone, he should either delegate more or club less"
* "I think Asher has poor fashion sense, Serpentis jackets are much better looking"

Notice that all of these items involve naming a specific thing that someone did wrong; some of the good examples even include the reasoning for why it was wrong, or a proposal of what should have been done instead.

Compare with "unspecified members of the directorate did some spooky unspecified mean things that I'm unhappy with, so I'm leaving." This neither specifies an action that was performed, nor explains why an action was harmful, nor does it propose an alternative. It just raises innuendo, encourages people to assume the worst, muddying the water with no opening for improvement or restitution.

In other words, it's not criticism -- it's low-class attention whoring, with a hint of baseless innuendo and muckraking to boot. And that's r/eve's favorite flavor of pigslop.

Zephyrine posted:

I want Flanders or Querns to say it.

Unfunny Poster posted:

It wasn't trolling. Someone got banned for, iirc, excessively posting criticisms and it took people saying how stupid it was on SA to get that reversed. Maybe it was Jokine, I don't know peoples non-SA names. Regardless it is also pretty silly to use "you criticized leadership" as an excuse to blacklist someone who left, like Deadtear already pointed out. Whoever did that is a petty baby .

Unfunny Poster posted:

It wasn't trolling. Someone got banned for, iirc, excessively posting criticisms and it took people saying how stupid it was on SA to get that reversed. Maybe it was Jokine, I don't know peoples non-SA names. Regardless it is also pretty silly to use "you criticized leadership" as an excuse to blacklist someone who left, like Deadtear already pointed out. Whoever did that is a petty baby .

evilweasel posted:

"someone, i think, maybe got banned for something that makes me right, i don't know who"

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

why

Zephyrine posted:

I doubt you would have been put in the loop either way.

I'll take a yes from Querns or Flanders.

cravius posted:

i think hes talking about jokine getting banned for negrepping that twr post

evilweasel posted:

really this whole clutching pearls thing over the blacklist is dumb because, uh, while i had nothing against angelique now that she's hauling for phorde of loving course we're going to add her known characters to the list of known horde hauling alts, which is the only list here that actually matters instead of the blacklist

i don't think anyone had bothered to do that but now that i've thought of it i'm going to make sure it's done. i mean, they're now hostile logistics, blowing the poo poo out of them is a very important part of the game now so, uh, why on earth would anyone think we would then keep that info secret

i know there are going to be dj level dumdums who think it's some sort of retaliation and ~so mad~, but i think even xolve would realize that was dumb

evilweasel posted:

jokine had characters in a hostile alliance, oss

cravius posted:

Wasn't this way before BOS got kicked?

cravius posted:

Wasn't this way before BOS got kicked?

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

jokine is mpaarating and please stop arguing with knar KNAR STOP ARGUING WITH UBA

Glory of Arioch posted:

gonna have to be flanders then because i no-joke have no idea what the hell you're on about

Zephyrine posted:

Would you feel better if I came clean with all of it then?

ullerrm posted:

I know this is low grade r/eve trolling, but I'm gonna bite. Here's some examples of criticizing GSF leadership, all of which are true criticisms, and all of which have been said without reprisal in the last month or less:

* "I think the directorate was dumb for de-modding deadtear, he may be an rear end in a top hat but he's not a jerk"
* "I think Flanders is being retarded with the Malediction fit, the extra speed isn't necessary, here's a better fit"
* "I think Mittens goes clubbing too often and poo poo falls apart when he's gone, he should either delegate more or club less"
* "I think Asher has poor fashion sense, Serpentis jackets are much better looking"

Notice that all of these items involve naming a specific thing that someone did wrong; some of the good examples even include the reasoning for why it was wrong, or a proposal of what should have been done instead.

Compare with "unspecified members of the directorate did some spooky unspecified mean things that I'm unhappy with, so I'm leaving." This neither specifies an action that was performed, nor explains why an action was harmful, nor does it propose an alternative. It just raises innuendo, encourages people to assume the worst, muddying the water with no opening for improvement or restitution.

In other words, it's not criticism -- it's low-class attention whoring, with a hint of baseless innuendo and muckraking to boot. And that's r/eve's favorite flavor of pigslop.

Rhymenoserous posted:

I think we've so poorly handled old friends and their own concerns about these things that they've walked away. I view the likes of Endie, Blawrf, Suas (Who I can't stand by the way) turning against us as an indicator of an internal sickness that needs to be solved. Basically we need to huff our own farts a little less.

Glory of Arioch posted:

gonna have to be flanders then because i no-joke have no idea what the hell you're on about

Zephyrine posted:

It's 2 at night here in Sweden. If I go to bed before Flanders answers this then someone feel free to re-quote this every now and then as a reminder. I have no idea why the directorate of all people would push so hard for this when I wanted to leave it behind but if you're going to keep calling me on not making all the details public. Page after page. Then you leave me little choice.