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Eschers Basement: Sep 13, 2007; by exmarx

Just remember: Donald Trump has massively energized his base, drawing them out in unheard of number to vote for him, and they absolutely love the message he's giving with all of the massive media attention he's getting. But nobody's actually paying attention, so he'll be able to pivot and gain plenty of new voters with his new moderate, maybe even leftist positions, which will grab all of the moderate/independent vote while also keeping all of the conservative vote.

And even though he's running behind in polls now, it doesn't matter, because even though he was leading in the polls from the moment he threw his hat in the race, and even though he consistently underperformed those polls in elections, and even though his campaign was too disorganized to put together slates in three or five states, and even though his landslide victories haven't hit 55% in an effectively two-person race, you have to understand that liberals count him out and don't expect him to win, so obviously he's going to come from behind and suddenly turn everything around and surg ahead of Clinton just like he never did in any primary.

Guaranteed.

Edit: :69snypa:

booya

# ? May 4, 2016 02:42

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# ? Jun 8, 2024 10:22

porfiria: Dec 10, 2008; by Modern Video Games

CelestialScribe posted:

I posted evidence clearly showing he is gaining on Clinton.

Really? CNN had them tied in August. There's absolutely no clear trend in the data you posted.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:43

Shimrra Jamaane: Aug 10, 2007; Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

Two things:

1) Why do your numbers matter? Primary polling isn't reflective of the general reaction.

2) What is the hispanic and black turnout for general elections?

1. Uh because Women have outnumbered men in the general electorate by at least 4% since 1984. How is that not hugely relevant? The point is that the demographics are hugley slanted against Trump. Also those aren't primary polls, they are favorability polls.

2. At a higher per capita percentage than white people. There were articles about a month ago that Hispanic immigrants were nationalizing at historically hight rates so that they would be able to vote this November btw.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:43

Epic High Five: Jun 5, 2004

JeffersonClay posted:

He already said Hillary would be getting 5% of the vote if she were a man and she's winning because she played the woman card, it's just a question of how many more he'll alienate at this point. If Hillary can convert a significant number of young women, it's likely they'll stick around their whole lives, and the demographic trap the Republicans are in gets even more hopeless. We really might never see another Republican president in our lifetimes.

If there was a PredictIt for "Trump tells Hillary she should smile more" I'd be buying into it hard

# ? May 4, 2016 02:43

fade5: May 31, 2012; by exmarx

FAUXTON posted:

Wasn't it around this time a few years ago that bin Laden's body was getting pushed into the water?

It's been almost exactly five years ago. ESPN (of all channels) was apparently re-running the breaking news footage from 5 years ago yesterday (or the day before).

# ? May 4, 2016 02:45

Doctor Butts: May 21, 2002

YES. YES. LYIN' TED CRUZ is done!

Fiorina joined the campaign just in time to fire everyone!

# ? May 4, 2016 02:45

Shimrra Jamaane: Aug 10, 2007; Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

fade5 posted:

It's been almost exactly five years ago. ESPN (of all channels) was apparently re-running the breaking news footage from 5 years ago yesterday (or the day before).

Hillary should literally start running ads yesterday centered around where she was 5 years ago vs where Trump was 5 years ago. Juxtaposition photos of Hillary in the Situation Room as Bin Laden was killed with Trump saying something retarded on The Apprentice.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:46

Combed Thunderclap: Jan 4, 2011

Doctor Butts posted:

Fiorina joined the campaign just in time to fire everyone!

And lo but the long-running ritual of only bringing women into executive positions on sinking ships is fulfilled anew.

As it will be in November :smuggo:

# ? May 4, 2016 02:48

Kanos: Sep 6, 2006; was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Doctor Butts posted:

YES. YES. LYIN' TED CRUZ is done!

Fiorina joined the campaign just in time to fire everyone!

I wonder how Fiorina is feeling about being the first lady to lose horribly twice in the same primary.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:48

ComradeCosmobot: Dec 4, 2004; USPOL July

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Hillary should literally start running ads yesterday centered around where she was 5 years ago vs where Trump was 5 years ago. Juxtaposition photos of Hillary in the Situation Room as Bin Laden was killed with Trump ~~saying something retarded on The Apprentice.~~ getting dunked on at the WHCD for being a birther.

Fixed that for you.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:49

Shimrra Jamaane: Aug 10, 2007; Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Fixed that for you.

Someone get in touch with a Hillary Super Pac, quick.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:50

Jurgan: May 8, 2007; Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

SedanChair posted:

"We fought for you, Ted!"

"AND I FOR YOU."

e: "TO MY MOM, THE PRAYER WARRIOR."

I love you, random citizen!

# ? May 4, 2016 02:54

Taerkar: Dec 7, 2002; kind of into it, really

I'm really liking all of this "Pivot" talk. When's the last time it actually worked?

# ? May 4, 2016 02:55

Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008; I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

This is fantastic! Knew Trump could do it! He is a great man doing amazing things for this election cycle! I'm telling you these next few months will be the truly amazing! You won't believe your eyes at how much funnier it can get. You will ask him "Mr. Trump please quit making a mockery of it all. I can not stop laughing."

# ? May 4, 2016 02:57

fade5: May 31, 2012; by exmarx

Taerkar posted:

I'm really liking all of this "Pivot" talk. When's the last time it actually worked?

Well Mitt Romney was going to "Etch-a-Sketch" himself in 2012.

Let's ask Karl Rove how well that worked:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk

Oh, right. :v:

# ? May 4, 2016 02:57

ComradeCosmobot: Dec 4, 2004; USPOL July

Taerkar posted:

I'm really liking all of this "Pivot" talk. When's the last time it actually worked?

Depends if Donald Trump is more like an Etch-a-Sketch or a Wooly Willy.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:58

Munkeymon: Aug 14, 2003; Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.

Svanja posted:

Dammit, I really wanted a nasty GOP convention.

Ted's final act of spite is to deny us all the glorious cataclysmic release we all deserve by wet-farting off into the sunset early. Truly, the man is a sadist of the highest caliber.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:59

Kro-Bar: Jul 24, 2004; USPOL May

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Depends if Donald Trump is more like an Etch-a-Sketch or a Wooly Willy.

I think he's gonna be a Hardcore Henry.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:59

Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008; I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Taerkar posted:

I'm really liking all of this "Pivot" talk. When's the last time it actually worked?

Hillary will be pivoting to the center to pick up the republicans fleeing trump. Well some idiots on here are salivating at this idea.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:59

Republicans: Oct 14, 2003; - More money for us

- Fuck you

bowser posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwrNiRngMhc

Here's what happens when you have a major political party constantly vilifying people who need government assistance to survive.

A bit late but about two weeks ago I was behind a lady in a hijab who was paying with food stamps in the express lane. It wasn't until much later I realized I experienced a real life freeper stdh.txt moment and neither I or anybody in the line seemed to mind.

# ? May 4, 2016 02:59

Taerkar: Dec 7, 2002; kind of into it, really

Mr Hootington posted:

Hillary will be pivoting to the center to pick up the republicans fleeing trump. Well some idiots on here are salivating at this idea.

Oh poo poo, is that how the CRA era flip occurred? Both sides pivoted so hard everyone got whiplash and woke up the next morning as members of the other party!

The horror!

# ? May 4, 2016 03:02

Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

fade5 posted:

It's been almost exactly five years ago. ESPN (of all channels) was apparently re-running the breaking news footage from 5 years ago yesterday (or the day before).

They were re-running it because the news in the top of the 8th or so of their live Sunday Night Baseball broadcast - fans in the crowd started the USA chant and everyone from the broadcast truck on down to the players had the living poo poo confused out of them. Jason Bay talked about having a hard time being able to concentrate on his plate appearance in the top of the 9th because nobody on his entire team had any idea what was going on. I can only imagine how weird it must have been to take a part in that game.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:02

Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

Epic High Five posted:

It's too late for a pivot, 99% of people have heard of him and have strong opinions on his views

He's set in stone, which will be ensured by Clinton running ads endlessly of his positions as previously stated

It's easy to pivot when you've basically been a blank slate for the entire election campaign to this point, running on BUILD A WALL I WILL MAKE PEOPLE DO THINGS BRING BACK JOBS MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN without offering any specifics on how any of this will happen.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:05

Shimrra Jamaane: Aug 10, 2007; Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Crazy Ted posted:

It's easy to pivot when you've basically been a blank slate for the entire election campaign to this point, running on BUILD A WALL I WILL MAKE PEOPLE DO THINGS BRING BACK JOBS MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN without offering any specifics on how any of this will happen.

Hes been saying a hell of a lot more definitively hateful and divisive poo poo than just that and you know it. You can't pivot from actively calling for violence against protesters, from wanting to ban all Muslims from entering the country, from calling immigrants rapists and murderers, from literally being endorsed by DAVID DUKE and the KKK, from saying that women who get abortions should be punished (yeah he walked it back the next day, that hardly matters), from making fun of women and their icky periods, for openly mocking a disabled reporter. The list goes on and on and on. He doesn't know how to reign himself in because he is an incompetent moron. He isn't some calculating genius, he's a bumbling fool.

Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 03:15 on May 4, 2016

# ? May 4, 2016 03:08

Xanderkish: Aug 10, 2011; Hello!

Crazy Ted posted:

It's easy to pivot when you've basically been a blank slate for the entire election campaign to this point, running on BUILD A WALL I WILL MAKE PEOPLE DO THINGS BRING BACK JOBS MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN without offering any specifics on how any of this will happen.

How do you pivot on Racism and Sexism?

Let's be clear: There are people for whom Donald Trump is a wish-fulfillment candidate and will vote for him because they can believe he's whatever they want him to be. We have no evidence at all that that is the electorate in general. I feel like some people seriously underestimate the intelligence of the American population.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:08

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

Reading the first page of the primary thread is the funniest poo poo ever now.

Someone suggested Fred Thompson as a potential candidate, :rip:

# ? May 4, 2016 03:08

funeral home DJ: Apr 21, 2003; Pillbug

It's gonna be amazing watching Trump shoot straight to the center from a fascist's wet dream to basically Obama II. I think his supporters might not be slick enough to catch on, but the media juxtaposing "gently caress the dog whistle, I'm racist and proud" Trump and the new "I want ALL families to live in our wonderful country" Trump will be a sight to behold.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:09

UV_Catastrophe: Dec 29, 2008; Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are,

"It might have been."; Pillbug

We need to get working on a new word filter for the word "pivot", immediately.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:14

Armyman25: Sep 6, 2005

Since the subject of jobs in rural areas ins pretty important, here's a small Nebraska town rejecting a packing plant because Muslim Somalis might work there:

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_29839260/tiny-nebraska-town-says-no-1-100-jobs

The Denver Post posted:

NICKERSON, Neb. (AP) � Half-ton pickup trucks crowd the curb outside the One Horse Saloon, a neon Coors Light sign in the window and rib-eye steaks on the menu, but otherwise Nickerson, Nebraska, is nearly silent on a spring evening, with only rumbling freight trains interrupting bird songs.

Regional economic development officials thought it was the perfect spot for a chicken processing plant that would liven up the 400-person town with 1,100 jobs, more than it had ever seen. When plans leaked out, though, there was no celebration, only furious opposition that culminated in residents packing the fire hall to complain the roads couldn't handle the truck traffic, the stench from the plant would be unbearable and immigrants and out-of-towners would flood the area, overwhelming schools and changing the town's character.
Randy Ruppert addresses residents during a meeting at the Nickerson, Neb., fire hall, Tuesday, April 19, 2016. When regional officials announced plans to
Randy Ruppert addresses residents during a meeting at the Nickerson, Neb., fire hall, Tuesday, April 19, 2016. When regional officials announced plans to open a $300 million chicken processing plant employing 1,100 workers, residents packed the firehall and the village board unanimously voted against the plant, and a week later the company gave up, saying they?d take their plant and jobs elsewhere. (AP Photo/Nati Harnik) (Nati Harnik/AP)

"Everyone was against it," said Jackie Ladd, who has lived there for more than 30 years. "How many jobs would it mean for people here? Not many."

The village board unanimously voted against the proposed $300 million plant, and two weeks later, the company said they'd take their plant � and money � elsewhere.

Deep-rooted, rural agricultural communities around the U.S. are seeking economic investments to keep from shedding residents, but those very places face trade-offs that increasing numbers of those who oppose meat processing plants say threaten to burden their way of life and bring in outsiders.

"Maybe it's just an issue of the times in which we live in which so many people want certain things but they don't want the inconveniences that go with them," said Chris Young, executive director of the American Association of Meat Processors.

Nickerson fought against Georgia-based Lincoln Premium Poultry, which wanted to process 1.6 million chickens a week for warehouse chain Costco. It was a similar story in Turlock, California, which turned down a hog-processing plant last fall, and Port Arthur, Texas, where residents last week stopped a meat processing plant. There also were complaints this month about a huge hog processing plant planned in Mason City, Iowa, but the project has moved ahead.
Randy Ruppert goes over a document with Kathy Drawbridge following a meeting at the Nickerson, Neb., fire hall, Tuesday, April 19, 2016. When regional
Randy Ruppert goes over a document with Kathy Drawbridge following a meeting at the Nickerson, Neb., fire hall, Tuesday, April 19, 2016. When regional officials announced plans to open a $300 million chicken processing plant employing 1,100 workers, residents packed the firehall and the village board unanimously voted against the plant, and a week later the company gave up, saying they?d take their plant and jobs elsewhere. (AP Photo/Nati Harnik) (Nati Harnik/AP)

The Nickerson plant would have helped area farmers, who mostly grow corn and soybeans, start up poultry operations and buy locally grown grain for feed, said Willow Holliback, who lives 40 miles away and heads an agriculture group that backed the proposal.

"When farmers are doing well, the towns are doing well," she said.

The question of who would work the tough jobs was at the forefront of the debate, though many were adamant they aren't anti-immigrant. Opposition leader Randy Ruppert even announced: "This is not about race. This is not about religion."
Kathy Drawbridge chats with other residents following a meeting at the Nickerson, Neb., fire hall, Tuesday, April 19, 2016. When regional officials
Kathy Drawbridge chats with other residents following a meeting at the Nickerson, Neb., fire hall, Tuesday, April 19, 2016. When regional officials announced plans to open a $300 million chicken processing plant employing 1,100 workers, residents packed the firehall and the village board unanimously voted against the plant, and a week later the company gave up, saying they?d take their plant and jobs elsewhere. (AP Photo/Nati Harnik) (Nati Harnik/AP)

But at a time when immigration issues, including calls to deport millions in the country illegally, have been a focus of attention in the U.S. presidential campaign, questions about both race and religion were raised at the raucous April 4 meeting where the local board rejected the plant. One speaker said he'd toured a chicken processing plant elsewhere and felt nervous because most of the workers were minorities.

More overtly, John Wiegert, from nearby Fremont where two meat processors employ many immigrants, questioned whether Nickerson's plant would attract legal immigrants from Somalia � more than 1,000 of whom have moved to other Nebraska cities for similar jobs, along with people from Mexico, Central America and Southeast Asia.
Residents of Nickerson, Neb., congregate outside the village’s fire hall, Tuesday, April 19, 2016, following a meeting. When regional officials
Residents of Nickerson, Neb., congregate outside the village's fire hall, Tuesday, April 19, 2016, following a meeting. When regional officials announced plans to open a $300 million chicken processing plant employing 1,100 workers, residents packed the firehall and the village board unanimously voted against the plant, and a week later the company gave up, saying they?d take their plant and jobs elsewhere. (AP Photo/Nati Harnik) (Nati Harnik/AP)

"Being a Christian, I don't want Somalis in here," Wiegert, who has led efforts to deny rental housing to immigrants in the country illegally, told the crowd. "They're of Muslim descent. I'm worried about the type of people this is going to attract."

Others pointed out that, given Nebraska's unemployment rate is among the nation's lowest near 3 percent, few local residents would accept the entry-level jobs. While the projected wage of $13 to $17 an hour was above the region's current median wage for production workers, opponents argued meat processors generally have high turnover.

"We aren't against jobs," farmer John Schauer said. "We want clean, stable jobs."
Nickerson, Neb., resident Chuck Folsom poses for a photo following a meeting at the Nickerson, Neb., fire hall, Tuesday, April 19, 2016. When regional
Nickerson, Neb., resident Chuck Folsom poses for a photo following a meeting at the Nickerson, Neb., fire hall, Tuesday, April 19, 2016. When regional officials announced plans to open a $300 million chicken processing plant employing 1,100 workers, residents packed the firehall and the village board unanimously voted against the plant, and a week later the company gave up, saying they?d take their plant and jobs elsewhere. (AP Photo/Nati Harnik) (Nati Harnik/AP)

The land is flat and rich around Nickerson, which is a half-mile off a narrow state highway about 30 miles from Omaha. The town's tidy but often faded single-story homes sit on large, grassy lots. There's a small cluster of commercial buildings, most of them long shuttered, and a grain elevator.

Its school was demolished more than a decade ago, leaving only the old playground, but residents take pride in the regional school district. Superintendent Jeremy Klein told the village board he worried new students would overwhelm local schools and that tax breaks would limit any extra money to hire more teachers.

"It's impossible to know what the size of that impact will be," Klein said days later.

People seem to be more willing than in earlier eras to fight developments they think could harm the environment or change an area's character, University of Nebraska-Lincoln economics professor Eric Thompson said, even if the development offers an economic boost.

Mason City official Brent Trout said he heard all the arguments against the $240 million plant planned some 200 miles northeast of Nickerson: What's the environmental impact of an operation that will process up to 22,000 hogs daily? How will 2,000 new jobs affect the isolated city of 27,500?

It's already hard to attract employers to Mason City, which has lost about 10 percent of its population over the last 30 years, he said. But, like Nickerson, Mason City's best selling point is its focus on agriculture: "This is what Iowa is. This is what Iowa does," Trout said. "We raise pigs and we process pigs."

Although Nickerson residents have succeeded in pushing away the industrial-scale operation, opponents said they're getting better organized to help the town that's targeted next.

"I've lived in exotic places, but I've never wanted to live anywhere but here," said Chuck Folsom, an 88-year-old former Marine and farmer. "We've got to protect the land. We're not making any more of it."

# ? May 4, 2016 03:16

Too Shy Guy: Jun 14, 2003; I have destroyed more of your kind than I can count.

UV_Catastrophe posted:

We need to get working on a new word filter for the word "pivot", immediately.

"trump" obviously

# ? May 4, 2016 03:17

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

I'm worried about when Trump trumps towards the center in the general.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:18

Grammarchist: Jan 28, 2013

Just got back from working the polls. Indiana remains an enigma wrapped in bacon, cloaked in Nascar posters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRC2ontmk_Y

# ? May 4, 2016 03:18

Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Hes been saying a hell of a lot more definitively hateful and divisive poo poo than just that and you know it. You can't pivot from actively calling for violence against protesters, for wanting to ban all Muslims from entering the country, for calling immigrants rapists and murderers, for literally being endorsed by DAVID DUKE and the KKK, for saying that women who get abortions should be punished (yeah he walked it back the next day, that hardly matters).

Trying to pivot on something and having people believe are two completely different things. He's already shown that he'll pretty much say anything to get elected so of course he'll try to change and project some kind of softer, kinder image after he's nominated. His problem, of course, is that people are going to remember all the ridiculous poo poo he's said up to this point.

It will be fun to watch him get increasingly frustrated because with the way things stand he'll probably have to win two-thirds of white voters to become President. That's not going to happen. He's a candidate who is where he is by appealing to small but excitable base of voters, and you and I know he's going to try to do something completely different over the next six months.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:19

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Armyman25 posted:

quote:
"Being a Christian, I don't want Somalis in here,"

I wonder if he would therefore be overjoyed if some Egyptian Coptics or Christian Lebanese or Syrians came instead.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:20

Spiritus Nox: Sep 2, 2011

LookingGodIntheEye posted:

I wonder if he would therefore be overjoyed if some Egyptian Coptics or Christian Lebanese or Syrians came instead.

He'd be thrilled to hear about it, but not to see it.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:21

SealHammer: Jul 4, 2010; Click to understand my bad faith posting.

Hey guys, USPol tourist who just got here, why no Sanders-Clinton chat in this thread?

# ? May 4, 2016 03:23

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Spiritus Nox posted:

He'd be thrilled to hear about it, but not to see it.

If Jesus comes back he'll have to spend so much time convincing people he's not Muslim.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:25

Epic High Five: Jun 5, 2004

Armyman25 posted:

Since the subject of jobs in rural areas ins pretty important, here's a small Nebraska town rejecting a packing plant because Muslim Somalis might work there:

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_29839260/tiny-nebraska-town-says-no-1-100-jobs

See? They LIKE poverty, joblessness, and squalor. The free market has spoken

# ? May 4, 2016 03:25

Hollismason: Jun 30, 2007; An alright dude.

Has he ever stepped back on his whole "bathroom comments", I remember that being a big deal to the Cruz camp, but also was weird as gently caress for a REpublican to say.

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Killer robot: Sep 6, 2010; I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!; Pillbug

UV_Catastrophe posted:

We need to get working on a new word filter for the word "pivot", immediately.

I'm voting "poledance."

# ? May 4, 2016 03:26

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