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pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Glory of Arioch posted:

alright, i'll bite

paging through 2012 posts that mention "cfc" complain about the blob and battle reports that we've lost

by about august of 2012 the anti-cfc posts start to pick up quite a bit

so yeah not seeing it sorry, looks pretty hostile to me, certainly not "overwhelmingly pro-cfc"

2011-01, top r/eve posts of all time using http://www.editgym.com/reddit-time-machine include goonwaffe recruitment poster @ #7, and mittani logdumping IT Alliance @ #8. A couple more anti-IT posts followed by a mittani SOTG follow that up. The subreddit was solidly pro-goons at that time.

2012-01, #7 all time post is now goons trolling riverini. No other overtly political stuff on front page.
2013-01 has some asakai stuff and a mittani tweet and a photoshop of goons and PL hugging as carebears.

Fast forward to 2016-01 and the top post is DJ's CZ article (edit: actually, his AMA about the CZ article). The tone of the sub certainly changed from pro-goon to anti-goon over time, you can quibble over the exact timeline if you wish.

pmchem fucked around with this message at 03:08 on May 4, 2016

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Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




SperginMcBadposter posted:

Those were both sion's ideas? That's pretty great. :laugh:

Or GSF could've just sat on their thumbs instead of making war

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter
the viceroy thing was bad and dumb

Khablam
Mar 29, 2012

Glory of Arioch posted:

i definitely agree that the mob opinion is more violently against us now than before but trying to spin two posts as "overwhelmingly pro-cfc" when there are dozens alone with "cfc" in the title that brag about "dunking" or complaining about blobbing is pretty tenuous

Yes people celebrate space-ship fights but they don't circle-jerk around about how awful they are how they are terrible people and look how much better as humans we are in AAA or something.

Can you link these anti-CFC posts for comparison?

Khablam
Mar 29, 2012

Reddit is a poo poo platform and promotes an echochamber effect, but it isn't a vacuum.
If you walk away from a subreddit, declare yourself different to them and repeatedly say they're awful, then guess what, you have put that in the echochamber yourself. The whole "us and them" came from us calling them "them" -- we used to just be part of Reddit like anything else.

I'm also of the mind doing this was intentional to create people to fight us but it's backfired pretty hard for the time being.

Dr. Pangloss
Apr 5, 2014
Ask me about metaphysico-theologo-cosmolo-nigology. I'm here to help!
Truthfully, I hadn’t heard about this thread until a mod closed down the one I was reading and told me on the roof of a party that it was one of her favorite threads of all time, and yes, reader, a) it later became a favorite of mine, and b) I plan on joining her Corp.

The hallmark of the best threads is that they grow with you: at page 10, Zephyrine chided Xolve for being unchill in his attacks on the GSF; less than a week later Zephyrine herself would be leveling suggestions of misconduct against her recently departed corpmates.

The prose style is at once cerebral and deeply felt. The reader doesn’t so much dread being in Zephyrine’s predicament; we fear being Zephyrine. Parts of the thread are so upsetting—or alternately, so delightful—that I found myself closing my iPad at the end of a few pages and holding it in my lap for safekeeping, not quite ready to go on. This is stratafiction—layers of mineral-rich story, beautiful up close in their contrasting colors and textures, equally beautiful from far away where the layers form a mountain. The thread evokes a humid, gin-soaked Mittani on a summer day so effectively you can practically feel Sion pluck the damp fabric of his anime kimono away to let a bit of air in next to his skin.

Around the 25-page mark—and being only halfway through, with the defection not even occurring for another 20 pages—I looked up the plot on r/eve. The incumbent Emperor inevitably incurs the wrath of his people, or CCP, or both, and is set upon by his trusted directors, or former alliance leaders, or both; then a replacement is selected from the family, or from the next most important pubbie Corp, or just from people showing up at a goonp. A delicious dramatic irony arises at this turning point, because while the young man expects himself to be the hero of a Great War story, the reader realizes him to be more of a witless cog in an incisive commentary on the oppressive class system.

It’s not so much a thread as a biosphere, with each ecosystem reliant on another within and without, the beginning (as with all life) impossible to chart. One of the greatest compliments I can give this, or any thread, is that knowing the point-by-point resolution didn’t diminish my enjoyment of the remaining 400 pages. At points, the story is mired in Victorian banalities, mainly those describing a large Scarlet woman and her erotic adventures at an Insane Clown Posse concert. Violent death follows leadership follows violent death follows leadership, and in this manner the bizarre Byzantine cycle continues. Also, JanIrvam just loving hates women.b Querns never seemed ghastlier.

More terrifying, however, than any of the supernatural threats is Endie’s all-too-recognizable mental fragility; while he’s clearly on the far end of the neurotic scale, his social estrangement and prying doubts mirror what many of us feel in mixed company.

Is it wrong to revel in the characters’ delicious names—FruitNYogurtParfait, Tokyo Sexwhale—as if they were ripped from the pages of a postmodern comedy, instead of a fin-de-siècle realist Eve Online thread? Each character is so richly drawn (pun not intended, Sion), each so different from one another, one can’t help but fall in love with every one of them, likable or not. The way Venom Snake grows and matures, from a spindly-legged and bookish ENLI j4g to a young woman j4g to, at the end, a very old woman j4g, makes clear the vagaries and vicissitudes of human development. For the geneticist and young lovers alike, the characters’ lives intertwine and ultimately connect in a style akin to Bach’s Variations. At age 18, though, the way the War of Sovless Aggression played a part in his obsession with doggedly holding the party line had me swooning.

The real genius of the thread lies in the final two pages, where a devastating plot twist unravels and lays bare the entire story for what it is: A wish that things had gone differently.

The one thing I learned: Never ever marry into a North New Eden mercantile dynasty.

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter
thats way too many words

Dr. Pangloss
Apr 5, 2014
Ask me about metaphysico-theologo-cosmolo-nigology. I'm here to help!

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

thats way too many words

Nah, you'll read it.

Khablam
Mar 29, 2012

Dr. Pangloss posted:

Nah, you'll read it.

It's a copypasta and your edits are a bit forced. So probably not.

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

Dr. Pangloss posted:

Truthfully, I hadn’t heard about this thread until a mod closed down the one I was reading and told me on the roof of a party that it was one of her favorite threads of all time, and yes, reader, a) it later became a favorite of mine, and b) I plan on joining her Corp.

The hallmark of the best threads is that they grow with you: at page 10, Zephyrine chided Xolve for being unchill in his attacks on the GSF; less than a week later Zephyrine herself would be leveling suggestions of misconduct against her recently departed corpmates.

The prose style is at once cerebral and deeply felt. The reader doesn’t so much dread being in Zephyrine’s predicament; we fear being Zephyrine. Parts of the thread are so upsetting—or alternately, so delightful—that I found myself closing my iPad at the end of a few pages and holding it in my lap for safekeeping, not quite ready to go on. This is stratafiction—layers of mineral-rich story, beautiful up close in their contrasting colors and textures, equally beautiful from far away where the layers form a mountain. The thread evokes a humid, gin-soaked Mittani on a summer day so effectively you can practically feel Sion pluck the damp fabric of his anime kimono away to let a bit of air in next to his skin.

Around the 25-page mark—and being only halfway through, with the defection not even occurring for another 20 pages—I looked up the plot on r/eve. The incumbent Emperor inevitably incurs the wrath of his people, or CCP, or both, and is set upon by his trusted directors, or former alliance leaders, or both; then a replacement is selected from the family, or from the next most important pubbie Corp, or just from people showing up at a goonp. A delicious dramatic irony arises at this turning point, because while the young man expects himself to be the hero of a Great War story, the reader realizes him to be more of a witless cog in an incisive commentary on the oppressive class system.

It’s not so much a thread as a biosphere, with each ecosystem reliant on another within and without, the beginning (as with all life) impossible to chart. One of the greatest compliments I can give this, or any thread, is that knowing the point-by-point resolution didn’t diminish my enjoyment of the remaining 400 pages. At points, the story is mired in Victorian banalities, mainly those describing a large Scarlet woman and her erotic adventures at an Insane Clown Posse concert. Violent death follows leadership follows violent death follows leadership, and in this manner the bizarre Byzantine cycle continues. Also, JanIrvam just loving hates women.b Querns never seemed ghastlier.

More terrifying, however, than any of the supernatural threats is Endie’s all-too-recognizable mental fragility; while he’s clearly on the far end of the neurotic scale, his social estrangement and prying doubts mirror what many of us feel in mixed company.

Is it wrong to revel in the characters’ delicious names—FruitNYogurtParfait, Tokyo Sexwhale—as if they were ripped from the pages of a postmodern comedy, instead of a fin-de-siècle realist Eve Online thread? Each character is so richly drawn (pun not intended, Sion), each so different from one another, one can’t help but fall in love with every one of them, likable or not. The way Venom Snake grows and matures, from a spindly-legged and bookish ENLI j4g to a young woman j4g to, at the end, a very old woman j4g, makes clear the vagaries and vicissitudes of human development. For the geneticist and young lovers alike, the characters’ lives intertwine and ultimately connect in a style akin to Bach’s Variations. At age 18, though, the way the War of Sovless Aggression played a part in his obsession with doggedly holding the party line had me swooning.

The real genius of the thread lies in the final two pages, where a devastating plot twist unravels and lays bare the entire story for what it is: A wish that things had gone differently.

The one thing I learned: Never ever marry into a North New Eden mercantile dynasty.

same

Dr. Pangloss
Apr 5, 2014
Ask me about metaphysico-theologo-cosmolo-nigology. I'm here to help!

Khablam posted:

It's a copypasta and your edits are a bit forced. So probably not.

Of course it is. And how would you know if the edits were forced if you hadn't read it? #gotem

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter
i didnt

Dr. Pangloss
Apr 5, 2014
Ask me about metaphysico-theologo-cosmolo-nigology. I'm here to help!

drat, thought that would work. You're a sly one 'tear.

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

the viceroy thing was bad and dumb

Confirming the viceroy idea was dumb, but frankly, I don't think it was a root cause. Trying to point out any one thing as the source of The Casino War is futile. Hell, even trying to point out one thing as "the straw that broke the camel's back" is futile.

(It's almost like claiming that WW1 started because of Franz Ferdinand.)


I know the origins, but :five: anyways. I'm sad that you left the ICP joke from the original in there, though -- that was an easy layup to be turned into a pegging joke.

Khablam
Mar 29, 2012

Dr. Pangloss posted:

Of course it is. And how would you know if the edits were forced if you hadn't read it? #gotem

Cause i know the pasta and skimmed to the first few nouns.

I mean are we really doing "made you read" ?

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Khablam posted:

I mean are we really doing "made you read" ?

It's better than "made you undock," honestly.

Also, jesus, EFT still not updated. Looks like I'm finally switching full-time to PyFa.

Dr. Pangloss
Apr 5, 2014
Ask me about metaphysico-theologo-cosmolo-nigology. I'm here to help!

Khablam posted:

Cause i know the pasta and skimmed to the first few nouns.

I mean are we really doing "made you read" ?

That wasn't a "made you read", ya dummy. But your :c00l: status is noted and acknowledged.

TopGoon[555]
Aug 30, 2003
The cognitive dissonance in this thread is astounding. Is it as bad on goonfleet.com as it is on here?

Dr. Pangloss
Apr 5, 2014
Ask me about metaphysico-theologo-cosmolo-nigology. I'm here to help!

ullerrm posted:


I know the origins, but :five: anyways. I'm sad that you left the ICP joke from the original in there, though -- that was an easy layup to be turned into a pegging joke.

You're right, there are, I'm sure, tons of missed opportunities. I thought the thread could use a shitpost and CVS is taking an age to fill a simple prescription, so I thought I'd type one out on my phone.

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

There is a bunch of drama about nonsense about insulting leadership.

Wholly apart from that, black listing GSF members who have gone to Ph is a good idea. It will remain so for the foreseeable future.

YouTuber
Jul 31, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

ullerrm posted:

(It's almost like claiming that WW1 started because of Franz Ferdinand.)

Uh I didn't know there was any other claims. I'm pretty sure this analogy is not working out like you intended it to.

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter
salastil, expert on early 20th century history :lol:

RhoA
Jul 20, 2014

Dr. Pangloss posted:

The way Venom Snake grows and matures, from a spindly-legged and bookish ENLI j4g to a young woman j4g to, at the end, a very old woman j4g, makes clear the vagaries and vicissitudes of human development.

:eyepop:

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

"TopGoon[555 posted:

" post="459483078"]
The cognitive dissonance in this thread is astounding. Is it as bad on goonfleet.com as it is on here?

same except your forums :twisted:

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

YouTuber posted:

Uh I didn't know there was any other claims. I'm pretty sure this analogy is not working out like you intended it to.

A spark doesn't cause a fire without fuel. Franz Ferdinand's assassination, in isolation, wouldn't have mattered much.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The Fountain War book could have been cool, but man it was a really stupidly executed project.

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Thanks and God Bless.

Dr. Pangloss
Apr 5, 2014
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YouTuber posted:

Uh I didn't know there was any other claims. I'm pretty sure this analogy is not working out like you intended it to.

It was actually a pretty awesome analogy. It's alluding to a gross oversimplification of the situation and atmosphere that led to the war, ignoring complexities without which the assassination of FF wouldn't have caused such a stir.

Edit: :argh: phone posting.

Dr. Pangloss fucked around with this message at 03:59 on May 4, 2016

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002

vandalism posted:

I want to join the rock Bros Corp. How do I get in there?

Open your corporation window, search for "Rock Venture", right-click on Rock Venture Chill Friends Mining corp, click Show Info, click Apply to Join

ullerrm posted:

It's better than "made you undock," honestly.

Also, jesus, EFT still not updated. Looks like I'm finally switching full-time to PyFa.

I pulled down PyFA the other night and so far like it better than EFT minus a couple of bugs (it doesn't want to import damage types from the clipboard properly, and has crashed once or twice after being left open for a while)

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

i missed this but holy lol

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Pyfa is great. I stopped using EFT years ago.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Zephyrine posted:

It's 2 at night here in Sweden. If I go to bed before Flanders answers this then someone feel free to re-quote this every now and then as a reminder. I have no idea why the directorate of all people would push so hard for this when I wanted to leave it behind but if you're going to keep calling me on not making all the details public. Page after page. Then you leave me little choice.

Querns never said anything about it, Ullurrm just explained how "they do shady poo poo" isn't a criticism, it's an attention getter. :shrug: You're literally talking to the wrong people.

Rhymenoserous
May 23, 2008
Like saying just "Shady things are happening" isn't even that interesting in an alliance that really likes to scam people. I feel that people don't get me as a goon.

Like sure watching our fleets blot out the sun and win the war would be entertaining, but if I could do it by disbanding an alliance and stealing everything not nailed down I'd do it in a heartbeat. Because it's funny.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

the viceroy thing was bad and dumb

Or awesome because it kicked them into a frothing rage that brought us here

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



I'd love to know what this "shady poo poo" is, if it's some stupid catfight in illum or whatever, :nallears:, but if it's some ridiculous internal org rot that's going to eat the alliance then it needs to be outed unless you feel like loving everyone else who doesn't know about it and stares at you like an old man yelling at a cloud.

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




Tokyo Sexwhale posted:

I'd love to know what this "shady poo poo" is, if it's some stupid catfight in illum or whatever, :nallears:, but if it's some ridiculous internal org rot that's going to eat the alliance then it needs to be outed unless you feel like loving everyone else who doesn't know about it and stares at you like an old man yelling at a cloud.

Thats like the 4th time this year a defector has left with that claim and nobody ever comes off with anything, pretty sure they're just giving jeffraider posting fuel

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter
it cant be the former because she wasnt actually space important, just someone who ran a jf service

Rhymenoserous
May 23, 2008
haha I decided to go read some Darius Johnson posts on reddit and he sure is convinced we're all being abused or some dumb bullshit.

Like I get it, mittens huffs his own farts, but pretending DJ isn't doing a fair but of butthuffing for dem upvotes on reddit is pretty amazing.

Lugnut Seatcushion
May 4, 2013
Lipstick Apathy

Rhymenoserous posted:

haha I decided to go read some Darius Johnson posts on reddit and he sure is convinced we're all being abused or some dumb bullshit.

Like I get it, mittens huffs his own farts, but pretending DJ isn't doing a fair but of butthuffing for dem upvotes on reddit is pretty amazing.

fyp

e: but yeah, I mean its hurf all around so :shrug:

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter
darius literally said HE was abused

FruitNYogurtParfait fucked around with this message at 06:35 on May 4, 2016

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Mar 29, 2006

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#ModLivesMatter

quote:

You mean pasting 4 goatses and never coming back? Because that's what happened and you just go right ahead and pretend that it has ANYTHING to do with you folks losing all of your space being idiots. It might help you to feel better about what you're doing but I left because everyone at the top is human garbage and acts like it.

I got tired of being taken advantage of and abused just like every other long term leader who's left or been run out.

You can make it about me or you losing or whatever all you like because it's not like everyone can't just watch this poo poo happening. You go ahead and post about how much you wish the world was your way and I'll just go ahead and live in the really real one.

like that is some bitter as gently caress poo poo and idk what the gently caress he's talking about except for my FRIENDLY poo poo TALK WITH MY FRIEND before he went and hosed off

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