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So, since the AfD now put together their preliminary program, I figured I'd give it a read and share any fun/significant bits here, because I hate myself and want you to share in my suffering. Right at the beginning, in the very second point after arguing for public referendums, we get the classic liberal small government thing: Schlanker Staat für freie Bürger! posted:Der Staat ist für den Bürger da, nicht der Bürger für den Staat. Nur ein schlanker Staat kann daher ein guter Staat sein. Erforderlich ist ein vom Staat garantierter Ordnungsrahmen, in dem sich die Bürger frei entfalten können. Die ständige, vielfach ideologiegetriebene Expansion der Staatsaufgaben stößt an finanzielle und faktische Grenzen. Sie bedroht inzwischen den Kerngehalt der elementaren Freiheitsrechte der Bürger. Der Staat hat sich verzettelt. Es bedarf neuer Konzentration auf die vier klassischen Gebiete: Innere und äußere Sicherheit, Justiz, Auswärtige Beziehungen und Finanzverwaltung. Polizei stärken und Strafjustiz verbessern posted:Vor dem Hintergrund der steigenden Brutalität jugendlicher Krimineller und der gravierenden Problematik jugendlicher Intensivtäter halten wir es für wichtig und zweckmäßig, auf volljährige Täter das Erwachsenenstrafrecht anzuwenden und das Strafmündigkeitsalter auf zwölf Jahre zu senken. Der Staat muss durch die konsequente Bestrafung schwerer Delikte Signale der Warnung und Prävention aussenden sowie den verloren gegangenen Respekt bei diesen jugendlichen Serientätern wiederherstellen Wehrpflicht wieder einsetzen posted:Durch die Rückkehr zur Allgemeinen Wehrpflicht schaffen wir die Voraussetzungen dafür, Aktivierende Grundsicherung posted:Die AfD will eine „Aktivierende Grundsicherung“ als Alternative zum Arbeitslosengeld II (sogenanntes „Hartz IV“). Dabei schmilzt der staatliche Unterstützungsbetrag der Grundsicherung mit wachsendem Einkommen immer weiter ab, bis ab einem bestimmten Einkommen Einkommensteuer zu entrichten ist, statt einen staatlichen Unterstützungsbetrag zu erhalten. Der staatliche Unterstützungsbetrag wird nicht wie derzeit ganz oder nahezu vollständig auf den eigenen Verdienst angerechnet. Stattdessen verbleibt dem Erwerbstätigen stets ein spürbarer Anteil des eigenen Verdienstes. Dadurch entsteht Arbeitsanreiz. Wer arbeitet, wird auf jeden Fall mehr Geld zur Verfügung haben als derjenige, der nicht arbeitet, aber arbeitsfähig ist (Lohnabstandsgebot). Missbrauchsmöglichkeiten sind auszuschließen Bekenntnis zur traditionellen Familie als Leitbild posted:Die Alternative für Deutschland bekennt sich zur traditionellen Familie als Leitbild. Ehe und Familie stehen unter dem besonderen Schutz des Grundgesetzes. In der Familie sorgen Mutter und Vater in dauerhafter gemeinsamer Verantwortung für ihre Kinder. Diese natürliche Gemeinschaft bildet das Fundament unserer Gesellschaft. Die originären Bedürfnisse der Kinder, die Zeit und Zuwendung ihrer Eltern brauchen, stehen dabei im Mittelpunkt. Diskriminierung der Vollzeit-Mütter stoppen posted:Die aktuelle Familienpolitik in Deutschland wird bestimmt durch das politische Leitbild der voll erwerbstätigen Frau, so dass die Anzahl außerfamiliär betreuter Kleinkinder stetig ansteigt. Die sichere Bindung an eine verlässliche Bezugsperson ist aber die Voraussetzung für eine gesunde psychische Entwicklung kleiner Kinder und bildet die Grundlage für spätere Bildung und Erziehungsfähigkeit. Die AfD fordert daher, dass bei unter Dreijährigen eine Betreuung, die Bindung ermöglicht, im Vordergrund steht. Die Krippenbetreuung darf nicht einseitig staatlich bevorzugt werden. Willkommenskultur für neu- und Ungeborene posted:Die Alternative für Deutschland steht für eine Kultur des Lebens und ist in Einklang mit der deutschen Rechtsprechung der Meinung, dass der Lebensschutz bereits beim Embryo beginnt. Wir fordern daher, dass bei der Schwangerenkonfliktberatung das vorrangige Ziel der Beratung der Schutz des ungeborenen Lebens ist. Werdenden Eltern in Not müssen finanzielle und andere Hilfen vor und nach der Entbindung angeboten werden, damit sie sich für ihr Kind entscheiden können. Politische Korrektheit posted:Die AfD tritt für eine vielfältige Medienlandschaft ein, die freie Information und kritische Diskussion ermöglicht. Meinung und Information müssen klar erkennbar voneinander getrennt sein. Tatsachen sollen als solche benannt und nicht aus politischen Gründen verschleiert werden. Die AfD fordert: Schluss mit „Politischer Korrektheit“. Was wahr ist, kann nicht “unkorrekt” sein.  because just four pages later we get:Gender-Forschung abschaffen posted:Die Gender‐Forschung erfüllt nicht den Anspruch, der an seriöse Forschung gestellt werden muss. Ihre Methoden genügen nicht den Kriterien der Wissenschaft, da ihre Zielsetzung primär politisch motiviert ist. Bund und Länder dürfen daher keine Sondermittel für die Gender-Forschung mehr bereitstellen. Bestehende Genderprofessuren sollten nicht mehr nachbesetzt, laufende Gender‐Forschungsprojekte nicht weiter verlängert werden. Nein zu Gender Mainstreaming und Frühsexualisierung posted:Viele der im Bereich des Gender Mainstreamings vertretenen Ansichten widersprechen den Ergebnissen der Naturwissenschaft, der Entwicklungspsychologie und der Lebenserfahrung. Wir wenden uns daher gegen jede staatliche Förderung von „Gender-Studies" Mender Gainstreaming posted:Die Gender‐Ideologie marginalisiert naturgegebene Unterschiede zwischen den Geschlechtern und wirkt damit traditionellen Wertvorstellungen und spezifischen Geschlechterrollen in den Familien entgegen. Das klassische Rollenverständnis von Mann und Frau soll durch staatlich geförderte Umerziehungsprogramme in Kindergärten und Schulen systematisch „korrigiert“ werden. Die AfD lehnt diese Geschlechterpädagogik als Eingriff in die natürliche Entwicklung unserer Kinder und in das vom Grundgesetz garantierte Elternrecht auf Erziehung. Geschlechterquoten posted:Die AfD lehnt Geschlechterquoten im Studium oder in der Arbeitswelt generell ab, da Quoten leistungsfeindlich und ungerecht sind und andere Benachteiligungen schaffen. Die AfD vertritt die Meinung, dass Quoten kein geeignetes Mittel zur Gleichberechtigung von Mann und Frau darstellen. Auch die Einrichtung spezieller Frauenstudiengänge lehnen wir ab. Die AfD unterstreicht stattdessen die grundrechtlich garantierte Gleichberechtigung von Mann und Frau (im Sinne von Chancengleichheit). Eine Gleichstellungspolitik im Sinne von Ergebnisgleichheit lehnt die AfD hingegen ab. Familiensplitting einführen posted:Wir treten im Einkommensteuerrecht für die gerechte Besteuerung von Familien nach dem Familiensplitting‐System ein. Geldsystem überdenken, Gold heimholen posted:Damit Deutschland bei einer demokratischen Entscheidung hin zu stabilem Geld alle Optionen offen hat, sollte das Gold der Bundesbank ausschließlich in Deutschland gelagert werden.  Klimaschutzpolitik posted:Das Klima wandelt sich, solange die Erde existiert. Die Klimaschutzpolitik beruht auf untauglichen Computer‐Modellen des IPCC („Weltklimarat“). Kohlendioxid (CO2) ist kein Schadstoff, sondern ein unverzichtbarer Bestandteil allen Lebens.  And to close it off, here's a selection of their combined rantings on Muslims and Islam. quote:Die AfD bekennt sich uneingeschränkt zur Glaubens‐, Gewissens‐ und Bekenntnisfreiheit. Sie fordert jedoch, der Religionsausübung durch die staatlichen Gesetze, die Menschenrechte und unsere Werte Schranken zu setzen. So, in total: Deeply conservative and reactionary policies with a thin veneer of liberalism, constant bitching about political correctness, militarism, xenophobia, climate change denial, and even a dash of christian supremacy. Looks like we've finally managed to import American Republicans. Perestroika fucked around with this message at 13:09 on May 4, 2016 |
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Perestroika posted:So, in total: Deeply conservative and reactionary policies with a thin veneer of liberalism, constant bitching about political correctness, militarism, xenophobia, climate change denial, and even a dash of christian supremacy. Looks like we've finally managed to import American republicans.
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May 4, 2016 12:47
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Perestroika posted:Looks like we've finally managed to import American republicans.
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Mithaldu posted:The crazy part is: The people in AfD probably hate the USA like all good DEUTSCHE who are afraid of having the purity of the german language violated. So it's much more likely that instead of importing, they have indepently recreated republicans. They've definitely imported the ideology of the Republicans, whether intentional or not. I'd legitimately love to hear what their official stance would be (ha) on the United States as a major partner, considering those Yankees killed fearless, noble, and proud German soldiers in two World Wars. Edit: honestly a bit surprised that there's not a word specifically about gays. Plenty about gender issues and "Gender-Forschung" (which has to be the loving worst dogwhistle ever), but I honestly expected them to support the Abschaffung of the institution of the eingetragene Lebenspartnerschaft.
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Mithaldu posted:The crazy part is: The people in AfD probably hate the USA like all good DEUTSCHE who are afraid of having the purity of the german language violated. So it's much more likely that instead of importing, they have indepently recreated republicans. Not really, it's the stuff that's described as "winning formula" of the radical right since the mid 90s all over Europa. Pretty similar to the positioning of the FPÖ in Austria. Actually surprising that it's even more primitive than their programm. There's a certain transfer of ideas from the US, but mostly over the backdoor of the really deranged members on the fringe of the fringe.
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Mithaldu posted:The crazy part is: The people in AfD probably hate the USA like all good DEUTSCHE who are afraid of having the purity of the german language violated. So it's much more likely that instead of importing, they have indepently recreated republicans. Eine kritische Grundhaltung gegenüber Amerika und den Amerikanern ist gut, selbst wenn die AfD sie auch teilen mag. Wobei ich die Masse der AfDler eher zu den Atlantikern zählen würde.
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German money, industry and knowledge combined with Russian labour and resources would be a pretty unbeatable combination. Which is why the Americans try to prevent it.
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I think this part was my favorite:quote:Durch die Rückkehr zur Allgemeinen Wehrpflicht schaffen wir die Voraussetzungen dafür, Finally our long national nightmare of people saying "Soldaten sind Mörder" would be over. Honestly, this is just mindboggling. Usually when you go back to an imagined golden age, you go back long enough for Zeitzeugen to be senile or dead, not five loving years. I guess that's why it says "Voraussetzungen" there. Conscription is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for building a nationale Bevölkerungsarmee. So why don't they just say what OTHER steps they're going to take? What went wrong the last time? They allow for conscientious objection, so that can't have been it. I think this crybaby wishy washiness is one of the things I dislike the most about the AfD. See also the quote about abortion. They don't actually have the stones to call for a ban but they need to signify that they're hardcore, so it just ends up being culture war buzzword salad. "Abortions are IMMORAL  ". Cool beans, thanks for the hot take
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Smirr posted:I think this part was my favorite: The common enemy that made NATO rock-solid is simply gone... Smirr posted:I think this crybaby wishy washiness is one of the things I dislike the most about the AfD. See also the quote about abortion. They don't actually have the stones to call for a ban but they need to signify that they're hardcore, so it just ends up being culture war buzzword salad. "Abortions are IMMORAL 
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May 4, 2016 17:14
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Nektu posted:The common enemy that made NATO rock-solid is simply gone... 
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Randler posted:Eine kritische Grundhaltung gegenüber Amerika und den Amerikanern ist gut, selbst wenn die AfD sie auch teilen mag. Wobei ich die Masse der AfDler eher zu den Atlantikern zählen würde. Yes. gently caress America. Also: gently caress Russia, gently caress China, gently caress Germany. gently caress all nation states.
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Nektu posted:Well, creating an army that is actually capable of doing its job (either on the national or european level) is not the worst idea in the world. There is no way to predict how long our strong dependency on america for defensive purposes will remain feasable. Be it that america is Trumped and he actually goes through with his words on "america first, gently caress the rest" or be it that germany and/or europe need to get closer to Putin (which would be a really bad idea without a certain position of strength). Of course conscription wouldn't result in a more capable army, it would just be a massive waste of resources.
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The Bundeswehr wasn't any more capable during the draft, if only because they had to babysit the draftees who couldn't be deployed unless Russia literally invaded. the last the Bundeswehr needs right now is another influx of poorly motivated people who are going to stay around for six to nine months before leaving again. the personal issues the Bundeswehr faces are primarily in areas that require a lot of training like aircraft mechanics. With a nine month draft you'd get three months of basic training followed by three months (minimum) of job training so you can get three months of useful work out of them. Great job. Mission accomplished. Although I have to say that it would probably not be a bad idea to start mustering again, if only to know who to draft when the great Putin-Erdogan-Trump war of 2017 spills over into Europe.
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Nektu posted:Well, creating an army that is actually capable of doing its job (either on the national or european level) is not the worst idea in the world. There is no way to predict how long our strong dependency on america for defensive purposes will remain feasable. Be it that america is Trumped and he actually goes through with his words on "america first, gently caress the rest" or be it that germany and/or europe need to get closer to Putin (which would be a really bad idea without a certain position of strength) What the gently caress is this? Where the gently caress is our enemy that needs an army to fight against? Do you really think Russia is just gonna annex Germany if we don't have the Bundeswehr?
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As a draftee, one of the standing orders in my final base near rostock was "if anyone shoots at the base, you run the other way". Also, even those of us who had e. g. it knowledge didn't get used usefully, as it was all about filling slots with warm bodies.
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I used to date a girl whose father did his stint in the NVA at about the same time as my father was in the Bundeswehr. Judging by their stories, a Cold War gone hot would have been fought by the Americans and Russians, as all the Germans were either too drunk and/or dumb to be trusted with a gun, or anything else really.
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My base had regular group gatherings of people smoking weed in the meadows behind the barracks.
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pidan posted:I know about the leaks, but what will be the effects? probably depends on if the TPP/asian one fails or not. i have no idea what's going to happen, it's pretty unpopular in the US and Hillary's come out opposed to it b/c of pressure by Bernie but there's nothing on this earth that the Clintons and their posse of third way type backers hate more than leftists and populists, plus she'll be running against Trump in the general, so IMO it's pretty likely that she shreds that promise and takes a big steaming poo poo on the remains icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 21:25 on May 4, 2016 |
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Conscription is preferable over a voluntary professional military because as the US shows, it makes it a lot easier to go around the world knocking over countries for oil.
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bronin posted:What the gently caress is this? Where the gently caress is our enemy that needs an army to fight against? Do you really think Russia is just gonna annex Germany if we don't have the Bundeswehr? History is unpredictable and a military is at minimum an insurance policy when things go seriously haywire. But a drafted army doesn't make sense. It's more appropriate for small countries like Switzerland and Israel. And the Baltic States would probably benefit from it and I think Lithuania is bringing it back. But uh, Germans? Most don't want it and the drafted soldiers wouldn't have much to do anyways. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 21:49 on May 4, 2016 |
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May 4, 2016 21:41
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In the light of recent developments the need for NATO and a well funded army is obvious.
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^^^ True that. Basic point: A draft means the responsibility of collective defense is shared by the whole population. More or less. But that only works if there is an equivalent threat, which is why drafted armies and stupid wars of choice don't mix. Germany has a minor terrorism threat (for which there is no military solution) and some second-degree threats from Russia, but it's not a direct threat, so it's hard to see the point in conscripting all the young men for a year. It's just not militarily useful for Germany. Retaining professional mechanics is. Lithuania having the draft or some other kind of collective defense, like a national militia, is useful. It's not going to stop Putin or whoever replaces him from steamrolling them. But even the Russians are not thinking as much about that now. What the Lithuanians must worry about is a cloaked invasion that happens very suddenly and catches the military off guard. So think more like Israel, where ordinary citizens will intervene during a terrorist attack (it's a strained analogy, but bear with me) and do so immediately. It just doesn't match Germany's situation at all. It's useful for small countries.
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I'd say Germany should introduce a female only draft for 50 years to balance things out. An additional benefits would be that the abundance of females can be used as a recruiting tool for male volunteers while at the same time serving as a clear sign that Germany takes gender equality very serious.
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I think I saw a porno like that once
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GaussianCopula posted:I'd say Germany should introduce a female only draft for 50 years to balance things out. An additional benefits would be that the abundance of females can be used as a recruiting tool for male volunteers while at the same time serving as a clear sign that Germany takes gender equality very serious. you don't get it, females serve the fatherland by having blond babies maybe introduce a new baby draft for 18-28y/o females, that'd solve the demographic crisis 
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The Aufmerksamkeit für Dackel aren't Republican, they're Trumpublican. Protest movements with half-baked ideas of the world, unite!
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Perestroika posted:
Wow, you're over an entire month behind. That's the preliminary programm revealed on March 7nth (even says so in the link you gave), which has been changed on April 30th/ May 1st into a more finalised version, when the party held a conference in Stuttgart and had dozens of member-driven changes made to it. I have to say, by posting the March programm in May you are deliberatedly misleading people about this party. Or you don't really care about what they stand for in the first place, in which case I'd suggest spending either more or less time on following politics.
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I'd suggest spending either more or less time on posting in GBS
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Velkest posted:Wow, you're over an entire month behind. That's the preliminary programm revealed on March 7nth (even says so in the link you gave), which has been changed on April 30th/ May 1st into a more finalised version, when the party held a conference in Stuttgart and had dozens of member-driven changes made to it. the afd is still dumb even after may 1 of tyool 2016
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Velkest posted:Wow, you're over an entire month behind. That's the preliminary programm revealed on March 7nth (even says so in the link you gave), which has been changed on April 30th/ May 1st into a more finalised version, when the party held a conference in Stuttgart and had dozens of member-driven changes made to it. PETRY! *klick*
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Die Partei für renitente Wutbürger ist bei 20 Prozent, aber mit absteigender Tendenz zumindest. 
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Randler posted:Die Partei für renitente Wutbürger ist bei 20 Prozent, aber mit absteigender Tendenz zumindest. Projekt 18
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GaussianCopula posted:Projekt 18 SPD-Vorsitzender Westerwelle. Oh wait.
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/turkey-erdogan-eu-160506132224863.html Turkish president tells Europe he will not change anti-terror measures in exchange for visa-free travel for Turks in EU. Does this mean that Turkey will stop dealing with the refugees? Stop applying for EU?
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Ding Dong the witch is dead (no, not Merkel you idiots)
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System Metternich posted:I still think it's a delicious irony that the Honeckers went to loving Chile of all places horseshoes
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